Evo Mag: Parr Cayman Turbo
Discussion
Nice car mate, I like the addition of the GT3 front vent.
As it stands I was going to buy a TVR for around £15-£20k, in doing so I would be very happy... I would have to account for the maintanance and running costs, tax, insurance etc. Which of course is not a problem as they are all expected, as with any car.
The TVR would be a high days and holidays weekend car, roughly 5000mls per year.
So now the thought is that instead of buying a TVR, I could spend the money on converting my dads Cayman into a very serious road/track car. So I would own half of a sports car that, chances are, would easily out drive a TVR, be worth a hell of alot more plus it would also not suffer from build quality issues that are to be found in TVR's, it is only 3 years old (TVR likely to be around 6-7 years old). Plus all running costs would be halfed, I would get the use the car whenever I wanted and will also be creating something unique.
THE BIG PROBLEM is that I will not see my money again... Buying a TVR I could sell it and get something for it, any money spent tuning the Cayman would be lost! I imagine spending £20k on it could only add 10-20% to its value, it would also seriously limit the amount of people who would buy it if we ever wanted to sell it. The idea is to never sell though (whichever, TVR or Cayman). If the s
t really did hit the fan I it had to be sold then dont forget I will be due half of its value... (valued around £27,000 at the moment).
Swings and roundabouts... Im not entirely convinced myself so Im happy to hear other opinions.
Thanks
mrdemon said:
I dont see the point in throwing 20k+ modding a Cayman but it's your choice
Generally I tend to agree, looking at it slightly differntly and it does have a point...As it stands I was going to buy a TVR for around £15-£20k, in doing so I would be very happy... I would have to account for the maintanance and running costs, tax, insurance etc. Which of course is not a problem as they are all expected, as with any car.
The TVR would be a high days and holidays weekend car, roughly 5000mls per year.
So now the thought is that instead of buying a TVR, I could spend the money on converting my dads Cayman into a very serious road/track car. So I would own half of a sports car that, chances are, would easily out drive a TVR, be worth a hell of alot more plus it would also not suffer from build quality issues that are to be found in TVR's, it is only 3 years old (TVR likely to be around 6-7 years old). Plus all running costs would be halfed, I would get the use the car whenever I wanted and will also be creating something unique.
THE BIG PROBLEM is that I will not see my money again... Buying a TVR I could sell it and get something for it, any money spent tuning the Cayman would be lost! I imagine spending £20k on it could only add 10-20% to its value, it would also seriously limit the amount of people who would buy it if we ever wanted to sell it. The idea is to never sell though (whichever, TVR or Cayman). If the s
t really did hit the fan I it had to be sold then dont forget I will be due half of its value... (valued around £27,000 at the moment).Swings and roundabouts... Im not entirely convinced myself so Im happy to hear other opinions.
Thanks
sfl993t4 said:
I read the Evo article and wondered if the power figures may be ambitious.
Very crudely if you boost at 1.35bar (as it says in the article), if everything was working perfectly (which is rarely does), you could get 1.35x more power, and 1.35 x 320 = 430 (not 480-500).
I Thought that too, nearly 200bhp from 5psiVery crudely if you boost at 1.35bar (as it says in the article), if everything was working perfectly (which is rarely does), you could get 1.35x more power, and 1.35 x 320 = 430 (not 480-500).
I love my Cayman and would love a go in the turbo.
But you will not get any money back, forget your 10-20% back.
and the price will get out of control with seats, brakes, shocks, etc etc.
Also it will not be that nice a road car.
you could do what I have done to my car and buy a Lotus Exige for track days and week end fun for the same price.
and 340Bhp Cayman for the road which is enough.
or sell the Cayman and buy a 997 GT3 with both your money, resale will be the best bet doing this and they just work on track.
Also if you buy an Exige , track days are cheap as chips with them on running costs.
And to throw a spanner in the works Porsche rumor is for a Cayman RS very soon.
But you will not get any money back, forget your 10-20% back.
and the price will get out of control with seats, brakes, shocks, etc etc.
Also it will not be that nice a road car.
you could do what I have done to my car and buy a Lotus Exige for track days and week end fun for the same price.
and 340Bhp Cayman for the road which is enough.
or sell the Cayman and buy a 997 GT3 with both your money, resale will be the best bet doing this and they just work on track.
Also if you buy an Exige , track days are cheap as chips with them on running costs.
And to throw a spanner in the works Porsche rumor is for a Cayman RS very soon.
mrdemon said:
I love my Cayman and would love a go in the turbo.
But you will not get any money back, forget your 10-20% back.
and the price will get out of control with seats, brakes, shocks, etc etc.
Also it will not be that nice a road car.
you could do what I have done to my car and buy a Lotus Exige for track days and week end fun for the same price.
and 340Bhp Cayman for the road which is enough.
or sell the Cayman and buy a 997 GT3 with both your money, resale will be the best bet doing this and they just work on track.
Also if you buy an Exige , track days are cheap as chips with them on running costs.
And to throw a spanner in the works Porsche rumor is for a Cayman RS very soon.
MrD... have to say that if one was to spend £20,000 at a respected tuning company in having the car professionaly set up to 500bhp then I would expect the resale value to raise ever so slightly... expecting an increase of £2000 is quite realistic IMO. But you will not get any money back, forget your 10-20% back.
and the price will get out of control with seats, brakes, shocks, etc etc.
Also it will not be that nice a road car.
you could do what I have done to my car and buy a Lotus Exige for track days and week end fun for the same price.
and 340Bhp Cayman for the road which is enough.
or sell the Cayman and buy a 997 GT3 with both your money, resale will be the best bet doing this and they just work on track.
Also if you buy an Exige , track days are cheap as chips with them on running costs.
And to throw a spanner in the works Porsche rumor is for a Cayman RS very soon.
If the budget starts to get out of control then that is obviously something that could put a stop to it, but until we have recieved exact quotes from the companies then it would be hard to say exactly what could / could not be done.
What makes you say it would not be a nice road car? You say you haven't driven a turbo Cayman so how do you arrive at that opinion?
Also it would not be used as an everyday road car, sunday morning drives in the country and track days would be its sole use.
I'd love to buy a 997 GT3 but they are around mid-low sixties (cheapest), considering the value of my dads Cayman is approx £27k and I have a fund of £20k... giving us £47k total we are still £13-£18k short.
I suspect its the same case with the exige idea... cheapest exiges (S2) are around £18k (or £17k for an S1) leaving only £2-£3k to turn a standard cayman into the very nice example that you have... and I bet it cost you alot more than that.
Last idea; the Cayman RS falls at the exact same hurdle... its got to be mid-50's when released and thats before any options... saying that I hope that a CRS does come out!
Cheers
Lee
wow!
http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1184661.htm
If it were down to me alone I'd very tempted, but I know that the old man wont consider selling the Cayman as I know he prefers it over the 911! (Styling/interior etc)
Got to be worth a try though!
http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1184661.htm
If it were down to me alone I'd very tempted, but I know that the old man wont consider selling the Cayman as I know he prefers it over the 911! (Styling/interior etc)
Got to be worth a try though!
Edited by Rochester TVR on Monday 12th October 23:06
Rochester TVR said:
wow!
http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1184661.htm
If it were down to me alone I'd very tempted, but I know that the old man wont consider selling the Cayman as I know he prefers it over the 911! (Styling/interior etc)
Got to be worth a try though!
Looks nice - its been on sale for a while tho, not sure why as the price looks ok to me. As for it having over 600hp.... well if the next buyer wants to take it to vmax, should be fun to find out !http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1184661.htm
If it were down to me alone I'd very tempted, but I know that the old man wont consider selling the Cayman as I know he prefers it over the 911! (Styling/interior etc)
Got to be worth a try though!
Edited by Rochester TVR on Monday 12th October 23:06
I would look at it differently:
1- Does your father enjoy his Cayman or would he be prepared to sell it and amalgamate the proceeds with your own cash?
2- Sit down and decide what you would want from a £30-35k car
3- Buy!
I would not buy a TVR unless I knew I could look after it, or better someone else would. You might well get your money back on ticket price, but expenditure??? BTW I never owned a TVR so this is from here say.
Cars to consider:
996 GT3, very early 997, M3 CLS, F355 or F512, Exige,...
Alternatively keep your money until you have some more and buy something else!
1- Does your father enjoy his Cayman or would he be prepared to sell it and amalgamate the proceeds with your own cash?
2- Sit down and decide what you would want from a £30-35k car
3- Buy!
I would not buy a TVR unless I knew I could look after it, or better someone else would. You might well get your money back on ticket price, but expenditure??? BTW I never owned a TVR so this is from here say.
Cars to consider:
996 GT3, very early 997, M3 CLS, F355 or F512, Exige,...
Alternatively keep your money until you have some more and buy something else!
I would love to read the Article... Please someone scan it in as that is a TPC turbo Cayman.
Our kit makes 420whp on 93octane on a dynojet dyno. We have them all over the world. Not advertising anything i would just like to read teh article.
Email me at cparkin@tpcracing.net if that is easier.
Casey
Our kit makes 420whp on 93octane on a dynojet dyno. We have them all over the world. Not advertising anything i would just like to read teh article.
Email me at cparkin@tpcracing.net if that is easier.
Casey
Edited by CaseyfromTPC on Tuesday 13th October 21:12
CaseyfromTPC said:
I would love to read the Article... Please someone scan it in as that is a TPC turbo Cayman.
Our kit makes 420whp on 93octane on a dynojet dyno. We have them all over the world. Not advertising anything i would just like to read teh article.
Email me at cparkin@tpcracing.net if that is easier.
Casey
Casey, I know Adam Towler (the author of the article) as he recently wrote a piece on my 996 'ClubSport' I have been building. I just emailed him to ask a few questions about the Parr car, not just the engine, but since he is yet to get back to me, perhaps you could answer one of the queries above:Our kit makes 420whp on 93octane on a dynojet dyno. We have them all over the world. Not advertising anything i would just like to read teh article.
Email me at cparkin@tpcracing.net if that is easier.
Casey
Edited by CaseyfromTPC on Tuesday 13th October 21:12
If a tuned Cayman, with bolt ons, like Demon's car, above, makes 340bhp at best... Without opeining the engine, how does a turbo blowing at 0.35bar make 480bhp? I would have thought that, at best, it woul dmake 340bhp x 1.35 = 459bhp and that is before any losses (can an intercooler cool inlet temps as low as ambient on an NA car) so 450bhp at most, at the flywheel, sounds more reasonable to me. This is not a put down by the way, the conversion looks awesome, I just want to understand it better...
I am quite interested in the system (though wouldn't risk something similar on my M96) but Evo quotes 11k GBP, so it's possibly a bit pricey on thsi side of the pond. If I was to turbo, I think I would want a Silsleeve Autofarm block first.
Cheers,
Dom
dom9 said:
CaseyfromTPC said:
I would love to read the Article... Please someone scan it in as that is a TPC turbo Cayman.
Our kit makes 420whp on 93octane on a dynojet dyno. We have them all over the world. Not advertising anything i would just like to read teh article.
Email me at cparkin@tpcracing.net if that is easier.
Casey
Casey, I know Adam Towler (the author of the article) as he recently wrote a piece on my 996 'ClubSport' I have been building. I just emailed him to ask a few questions about the Parr car, not just the engine, but since he is yet to get back to me, perhaps you could answer one of the queries above:Our kit makes 420whp on 93octane on a dynojet dyno. We have them all over the world. Not advertising anything i would just like to read teh article.
Email me at cparkin@tpcracing.net if that is easier.
Casey
Edited by CaseyfromTPC on Tuesday 13th October 21:12
If a tuned Cayman, with bolt ons, like Demon's car, above, makes 340bhp at best... Without opeining the engine, how does a turbo blowing at 0.35bar make 480bhp? I would have thought that, at best, it woul dmake 340bhp x 1.35 = 459bhp and that is before any losses (can an intercooler cool inlet temps as low as ambient on an NA car) so 450bhp at most, at the flywheel, sounds more reasonable to me. This is not a put down by the way, the conversion looks awesome, I just want to understand it better...
I am quite interested in the system (though wouldn't risk something similar on my M96) but Evo quotes 11k GBP, so it's possibly a bit pricey on thsi side of the pond. If I was to turbo, I think I would want a Silsleeve Autofarm block first.
Cheers,
Dom
Tuning is an incredible part of what makes the power on such low boost levels, getting the proper air/fuel ratios is absolutely key. We did build a turbo specific 3.7L motor for the cayman but decided to shelve it as the price for the motors vs. the interest didnt work out. Keep in mind that all of our dynos at our facility on Caymans are done on Pump 93 octane or about 95 RON.
The highest mile turbo cayman is ~45k miles on the system w/o fault. The client started with our piggy back system and then moved to the ATP:2 fueling(what we use now). I have no idea how to post dyno sheets on this forum or i would. This thread has some really good info in it.
http://www.planetporsche.net/tpc-turbo-kits/30521-...
Please feel free to email me or ask any questions you might have here. I can assure that this is a remarkably stable kit and a great value(as compared to gains with all of the other bolt ons available).
Here are some other threads with lots of valid info...
http://www.planetporsche.net/cayman-boxster-modifi...
http://www.planetporsche.net/cayman-boxster-modifi...
http://www.planetporsche.net/cayman-boxster-modifi...
http://www.planetporsche.net/cayman-boxster-modifi...
http://www.planetporsche.net/cayman-boxster-modifi...
http://www.planetporsche.net/cayman-boxster-modifi...
http://www.planetporsche.net/cayman-boxster-modifi...
might be an info overload but we have invested years in the cayman club so that is where i refer people until our new site comes up
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