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How does a 996 GT2 fair for track use?
I have plenty of experience in 996 GT3 and love them to bits. Having a think about the 996 GT2....
- Is the suspension design similar? ie can the GT2 be setup to handle like a 'slightly' heavier GT3? I believe there is an extra 50-70kg in it
- are there decent options for aftermarket suspension (e.g. Nitron, KW Clubsport, etc)
My assumptions are:
- although the power train is different and hence transition from understeer to oversteer more prominent, core handling should be similar
- if no overly silly engine mods are done (mild tune ok), then the engine should be just as reliable (mezger design)
- the extra weight management should be fun
- the 'analogue' nature of the 996 GT3 could be retained in a 996 GT2 (notwithstanding the FI delivery)
- most GT2 are setup for the road and hence less experience out there or feedback on track setup
I have plenty of experience in 996 GT3 and love them to bits. Having a think about the 996 GT2....
- Is the suspension design similar? ie can the GT2 be setup to handle like a 'slightly' heavier GT3? I believe there is an extra 50-70kg in it
- are there decent options for aftermarket suspension (e.g. Nitron, KW Clubsport, etc)
My assumptions are:
- although the power train is different and hence transition from understeer to oversteer more prominent, core handling should be similar
- if no overly silly engine mods are done (mild tune ok), then the engine should be just as reliable (mezger design)
- the extra weight management should be fun
- the 'analogue' nature of the 996 GT3 could be retained in a 996 GT2 (notwithstanding the FI delivery)
- most GT2 are setup for the road and hence less experience out there or feedback on track setup
I wish i swapped when the prices where equal/gt2's cheaper than the 3's. If well set-up they can handle just as well as a '3 on track. I guess it just depends on if you can drive or not (hence why i didnt get one)
Consul - i know and i know who youd sell it to as well :P Regarding our chat on Saturday, im tempted by a KTM X-Bow as a fun summer vehicle/track car
Consul - i know and i know who youd sell it to as well :P Regarding our chat on Saturday, im tempted by a KTM X-Bow as a fun summer vehicle/track car
lemmingjames said:
I wish i swapped when the prices where equal/gt2's cheaper than the 3's. If well set-up they can handle just as well as a '3 on track. I guess it just depends on if you can drive or not (hence why i didnt get one)
Consul - i know and i know who youd sell it to as well :P Regarding our chat on Saturday, im tempted by a KTM X-Bow as a fun summer vehicle/track car
Different buyer this time funny enough, another client that I design for who has a 991 TT and McLaren just out of the blue has noticed the prices going up and wants in purely as an investment long term, the thing is he wants a Midnight Blue car as there few, so Im really struggling and questioning how badly do I want to keep it. It is a bit worrying that soon you simply will not see these cars on the road. After I left you at JZM Sat, I stopped off at a Shell and a mature aged man left his car at the pump, came upto to the GT2 and just said, is that a Widow maker 996GT2, as if I was green and landed from Mars Lol. Consul - i know and i know who youd sell it to as well :P Regarding our chat on Saturday, im tempted by a KTM X-Bow as a fun summer vehicle/track car
KTM is an awesome bit of kit, Stealth !
LaSource said:
How does a 996 GT2 fair for track use?
I have plenty of experience in 996 GT3 and love them to bits. Having a think about the 996 GT2....
- Is the suspension design similar? ie can the GT2 be setup to handle like a 'slightly' heavier GT3? I believe there is an extra 50-70kg in it
- are there decent options for aftermarket suspension (e.g. Nitron, KW Clubsport, etc)
My assumptions are:
- although the power train is different and hence transition from understeer to oversteer more prominent, core handling should be similar
- if no overly silly engine mods are done (mild tune ok), then the engine should be just as reliable (mezger design)
- the extra weight management should be fun
- the 'analogue' nature of the 996 GT3 could be retained in a 996 GT2 (notwithstanding the FI delivery)
- most GT2 are setup for the road and hence less experience out there or feedback on track setup
I have plenty of experience in 996 GT3 and love them to bits. Having a think about the 996 GT2....
- Is the suspension design similar? ie can the GT2 be setup to handle like a 'slightly' heavier GT3? I believe there is an extra 50-70kg in it
- are there decent options for aftermarket suspension (e.g. Nitron, KW Clubsport, etc)
My assumptions are:
- although the power train is different and hence transition from understeer to oversteer more prominent, core handling should be similar
- if no overly silly engine mods are done (mild tune ok), then the engine should be just as reliable (mezger design)
- the extra weight management should be fun
- the 'analogue' nature of the 996 GT3 could be retained in a 996 GT2 (notwithstanding the FI delivery)
- most GT2 are setup for the road and hence less experience out there or feedback on track setup
As much as I could not get on with the 96RS( out of the box) I found the 996GT2 very progressive to drive, easy to balance on the limit, along with gave good feed back. Kept it 2 years as a track car and daily driver. One of my Fav top 6 cars
APOLO1 said:
As much as I could not get on with the 96RS( out of the box) I found the 996GT2 very progressive to drive, easy to balance on the limit, along with gave good feed back. Kept it 2 years as a track car and daily driver. One of my Fav top 6 cars
LaSource said:
How does a 996 GT2 fair for track use?
I have plenty of experience in 996 GT3 and love them to bits. Having a think about the 996 GT2....
- Is the suspension design similar? ie can the GT2 be setup to handle like a 'slightly' heavier GT3? I believe there is an extra 50-70kg in it
- are there decent options for aftermarket suspension (e.g. Nitron, KW Clubsport, etc)
My assumptions are:
- although the power train is different and hence transition from understeer to oversteer more prominent, core handling should be similar
- if no overly silly engine mods are done (mild tune ok), then the engine should be just as reliable (mezger design)
- the extra weight management should be fun
- the 'analogue' nature of the 996 GT3 could be retained in a 996 GT2 (notwithstanding the FI delivery)
- most GT2 are setup for the road and hence less experience out there or feedback on track setup
The suspension is identical to that of the 996 GT3, only the spring, damper and ARB rates differ. I have plenty of experience in 996 GT3 and love them to bits. Having a think about the 996 GT2....
- Is the suspension design similar? ie can the GT2 be setup to handle like a 'slightly' heavier GT3? I believe there is an extra 50-70kg in it
- are there decent options for aftermarket suspension (e.g. Nitron, KW Clubsport, etc)
My assumptions are:
- although the power train is different and hence transition from understeer to oversteer more prominent, core handling should be similar
- if no overly silly engine mods are done (mild tune ok), then the engine should be just as reliable (mezger design)
- the extra weight management should be fun
- the 'analogue' nature of the 996 GT3 could be retained in a 996 GT2 (notwithstanding the FI delivery)
- most GT2 are setup for the road and hence less experience out there or feedback on track setup
The standard map can be improved upon to improve drivability (primarily boost delivery and threshold), 540+ hp and similar amounts of torque can be delivered in a manner that whilst not quite as benign as it's NA brethren, is entirely manageable.
My initial experiences with my old car (now Consuls) led me to believe that the rear suspension needed Cup toe links (or the equivalent) to ensure the rear toe out/in remained stable under all conditions. But my second car disproved this theory. However for track work I'd suggest that the adjustable rear toe arms (and the lockout kit) would be the minimum requirement.
There are plenty of suspension options available, I've as set of Bilstein PSS9's that were custom sprung for the GT2, they made for the best riding/handling roadgoing GT2 I've driven, though I suspect for serious track work they'd be a tad soft.
I also have my Ohlins remote canister kit :
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=104...
Others have used KW's, Motons and ExeTC, all work admirably.
But I do wonder why you feel the need for something faster than your red 996 GT3/GT3 RS ? Have you considered going the "other" way ? that being air-cooled.
Slower but far more fun to drive, more tactile, more engaging and the right spec car in the right hands will more than quick enough to provide huge amounts of fun. And whilst the 996 does require some weight management to pedal quickly, it's nothing like that required to make a 964/993 (to a lesser degree) or an early car go fast. Food for thought ?
consul said:
It was fair to say that my itch to do a couple of laps at Spa went very fast after seeing this. I didn't fancy joining him in the rare smashed up sweepstakes for the same day !
Huge Shunt !
It's always struck me as better to practice this sort of thing in £60k's worth of 997 Cup car or £120k's worth of 991 Cup car
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/73844/po...
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/67334/po...
rather than trashing an appreciating rarity like the CGT.
But each to their own I guess.
LaSource said:
APOLO1 said:
As much as I could not get on with the 96RS( out of the box) I found the 996GT2 very progressive to drive, easy to balance on the limit, along with gave good feed back. Kept it 2 years as a track car and daily driver. One of my Fav top 6 cars
Cup Toe Links are priceless in my opinion, they tie the back of the car down and deliver a planted feel where before my car under throttle felt unstable, this turned out to be old bushes so I replaced the suspension arms and Links, transformed the car.
Edited by consul on Friday 2nd December 13:12
Slippydiff said:
Ah, ambition and ability, oft mistaken for each other (and pretty much always with expensive consequences) ....
It's always struck me as better to practice this sort of thing in £60k's worth of 997 Cup car or £120k's worth of 991 Cup car
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/73844/po...
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/67334/po...
rather than trashing an appreciating rarity like the CGT.
But each to their own I guess.
It was on the cards, he was a really young guy from Monaco who roared into the paddock flashing his pit pass, straight out onto the track without any warm up and bang. The car hit so hard it catapulted the car in the air back onto the track. He was very lucky to walk away with a bruised ego.It's always struck me as better to practice this sort of thing in £60k's worth of 997 Cup car or £120k's worth of 991 Cup car
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/73844/po...
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/67334/po...
rather than trashing an appreciating rarity like the CGT.
But each to their own I guess.
consul said:
It was on the cards, he was a really young guy from Monaco who roared into the paddock flashing his pit pass, straight out onto the track without any warm up and bang. The car hit so hard it catapulted the car in the air back onto the track. He was very lucky to walk away with a bruised ego.
As sighting laps go, that was as short as it was brutal.Digga said:
consul said:
It was on the cards, he was a really young guy from Monaco who roared into the paddock flashing his pit pass, straight out onto the track without any warm up and bang. The car hit so hard it catapulted the car in the air back onto the track. He was very lucky to walk away with a bruised ego.
As sighting laps go, that was as short as it was brutal.Only cars I've ever seen off are over the top (IIRC, technically that bit is actually Radillion, not Eau Rouge) so it's a really odd accident IME.
It's a tough corner for sure! When I was there, it was wet in the morning (see pics
) but there was a drying line in the afternoon, so you could go faster, but as soon as you made a mistake it would be punished tenfold. I found an in-car video of another car that I was following on the day and was amazed to see a Caterham parked into the barriers on the left/inside of Radillion, facing the wrong way. If you;d put a gun to my head, I'd have sworn it was not there - I definitely didn't see or register it - but the video doesn't lie.
It's a tough corner for sure! When I was there, it was wet in the morning (see pics
) but there was a drying line in the afternoon, so you could go faster, but as soon as you made a mistake it would be punished tenfold. I found an in-car video of another car that I was following on the day and was amazed to see a Caterham parked into the barriers on the left/inside of Radillion, facing the wrong way. If you;d put a gun to my head, I'd have sworn it was not there - I definitely didn't see or register it - but the video doesn't lie.consul said:
Slippydiff said:
Ah, ambition and ability, oft mistaken for each other (and pretty much always with expensive consequences) ....
It's always struck me as better to practice this sort of thing in £60k's worth of 997 Cup car or £120k's worth of 991 Cup car
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/73844/po...
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/67334/po...
rather than trashing an appreciating rarity like the CGT.
But each to their own I guess.
It was on the cards, he was a really young guy from Monaco who roared into the paddock flashing his pit pass, straight out onto the track without any warm up and bang. The car hit so hard it catapulted the car in the air back onto the track. He was very lucky to walk away with a bruised ego.It's always struck me as better to practice this sort of thing in £60k's worth of 997 Cup car or £120k's worth of 991 Cup car
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/73844/po...
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/67334/po...
rather than trashing an appreciating rarity like the CGT.
But each to their own I guess.
http://www.audi-motorsport.com/de/en/wec/team/lott...
993rsr said:
He may be young, but he's certainly not short of talent. Bit embarrassing I'd imagine, but shows the GT demands the utmost respect:
http://www.audi-motorsport.com/de/en/wec/team/lott...
Bit of an understatement there JC ! ! ! http://www.audi-motorsport.com/de/en/wec/team/lott...
Cold PS2's rather than Supersports by any chance ???? Or just a big compression at Eau Rouge ?Slippydiff said:
Bit of an understatement there JC ! ! ! Cold PS2's rather than Supersports by any chance ???? Or just a big compression at Eau Rouge ?
Evening H :-) Cold PS2's rather than Supersports by any chance ???? Or just a big compression at Eau Rouge ?Just shows, even someone with that much talent can feel the wrath of the CGT if you overstep the mark.
Perhaps old tyres, who knows, all I can say is that with the right rubber, set up, and a modicum of respect, they are more than manageable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UptGlHigYks
Still nothing better IMVHO, absolute driving nirvana.
993rsr said:
Evening H :-)
Just shows, even someone with that much talent can feel the wrath of the CGT if you overstep the mark.
Perhaps old tyres, who knows, all I can say is that with the right rubber, set up, and a modicum of respect, they are more than manageable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UptGlHigYks
Still nothing better IMVHO, absolute driving nirvana.
Looking at pictures of the car pre crash seems it was on SupersportsJust shows, even someone with that much talent can feel the wrath of the CGT if you overstep the mark.
Perhaps old tyres, who knows, all I can say is that with the right rubber, set up, and a modicum of respect, they are more than manageable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UptGlHigYks
Still nothing better IMVHO, absolute driving nirvana.
993rsr said:
Evening H :-)
Just shows, even someone with that much talent can feel the wrath of the CGT if you overstep the mark.
{b]Perhaps old tyres, who knows, all I can say is that with the right rubber, set up, and a modicum of respect, they are more than manageable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UptGlHigYks
Still nothing better IMVHO, absolute driving nirvana.[/b]
Evening J Just shows, even someone with that much talent can feel the wrath of the CGT if you overstep the mark.
{b]Perhaps old tyres, who knows, all I can say is that with the right rubber, set up, and a modicum of respect, they are more than manageable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UptGlHigYks
Still nothing better IMVHO, absolute driving nirvana.[/b]
I think you maybe overstating the case somewhat, no doubting those old Hondas were good, but the simple expedeient of bolting a Halfords rear wing onto them, hardly made them "absolute driving nirvana"......Oh my apologies, got you now, you meant the noisy black thing without the ridiculous rear wing, h*ll yes, that's definitely absolute driving nirvana
Those downchanges JC
Slippydiff said:
Bit of an understatement there JC ! ! ! Cold PS2's rather than Supersports by any chance ???? Or just a big compression at Eau Rouge ?
New or old,probably cold,i can see a poem coming on here or a wrap! Cold PS2's rather than Supersports by any chance ???? Or just a big compression at Eau Rouge ?Many a race driver has stuffed there cars even exiting the pits in pit lane,probably used to pre warmed.
Shame for the car.
No better sound than that JC,im still looking for the right one.
Our young man from Monaco will drive the Porsche LPM1 car next year.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127383
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127383
Edited by DodoRacing on Sunday 4th December 21:10
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