GT2

[consul]

Slippydiff said:

consul said:

Thanks for the feed back, I really want a new experience next year but for the track and Cup cars just seem to make sense, its the learning process that appeals to me. I have a friend at Silverstone who stores cars and thats what guys do, they pitch and jump into there Cup cars, have fun all day without worrying about a photo of your car is going to appear being driven on the track etc. 997 Cups are I think around 50-60K now.

And the 997 sequential 'box accounts for 40% of the cost of the car when/if it goes bang ...
Plenty of crashed and or tired cars out there that look cheap, but start counting the cost of overhauling them properly and then as a certain Mr B Franklin once said "“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”.... so factor in gearbox, engine, suspension, brake and driveshaft refurbishment/replacement costs and those "bargains" can start to look decidedly expensive.

Ive had a couple of meetings with the chaps at PARR and they provided me with the gut feeling that there the guys to purchase from.

I have the straight line animal in place now so next year is the track weapon then I'm done with cars, well at least thats what I've told the wife)

[noneedtolift]

consul said:

Slippydiff said:

consul said:

Thanks for the feed back, I really want a new experience next year but for the track and Cup cars just seem to make sense, its the learning process that appeals to me. I have a friend at Silverstone who stores cars and thats what guys do, they pitch and jump into there Cup cars, have fun all day without worrying about a photo of your car is going to appear being driven on the track etc. 997 Cups are I think around 50-60K now.

And the 997 sequential 'box accounts for 40% of the cost of the car when/if it goes bang ...
Plenty of crashed and or tired cars out there that look cheap, but start counting the cost of overhauling them properly and then as a certain Mr B Franklin once said "“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”.... so factor in gearbox, engine, suspension, brake and driveshaft refurbishment/replacement costs and those "bargains" can start to look decidedly expensive.

Ive had a couple of meetings with the chaps at PARR and they provided me with the gut feeling that there the guys to purchase from.

I have the straight line animal in place now so next year is the track weapon then I'm done with cars, well at least thats what I've told the wife)

That looks mega mate!!

[consul]

noneedtolift said:

consul said:

Slippydiff said:

consul said:

Thanks for the feed back, I really want a new experience next year but for the track and Cup cars just seem to make sense, its the learning process that appeals to me. I have a friend at Silverstone who stores cars and thats what guys do, they pitch and jump into there Cup cars, have fun all day without worrying about a photo of your car is going to appear being driven on the track etc. 997 Cups are I think around 50-60K now.

And the 997 sequential 'box accounts for 40% of the cost of the car when/if it goes bang ...
Plenty of crashed and or tired cars out there that look cheap, but start counting the cost of overhauling them properly and then as a certain Mr B Franklin once said "“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”.... so factor in gearbox, engine, suspension, brake and driveshaft refurbishment/replacement costs and those "bargains" can start to look decidedly expensive.

Ive had a couple of meetings with the chaps at PARR and they provided me with the gut feeling that there the guys to purchase from.

I have the straight line animal in place now so next year is the track weapon then I'm done with cars, well at least thats what I've told the wife)

That looks mega mate!!

This will make you laugh, serious amount of fabrication but I just wanted something wild but understated looking for the road.

[Digga]

consul said:

This will make you laugh, serious amount of fabrication but I just wanted something wild but understated looking for the road.

Bet that boot setup wreaks havoc with the shopping.

[consul]

It is a bit to much for the road but even just driving the car at normal speed with such a wicked exhaust note with the big cam is something even the GT2 cannot match
in terms of grin factor.

[noneedtolift]

LaSource said:

I think that is the question in many minds.

I sadly do not have experience behind the wheel of a GT2, however on paper I should think they are as desirable (if not more) than the GT3 counterparts. Or atleast any disadvantages in the finesse department counterbalanced by power, rarity, etc.

Plus given a bit of careful modification, I would think the handling of a GT2 could be brought a lot closer to a GT3 (with the additional power and rarity benefits).

Maybe being rarer plus less people having tried to intelligently modify them there is less words written about this on forums etc...?

Could be. I have modified mine (Steel PFC Brakes, Akrapovic titanium exhaust and a KW V3 Suspension, Cup track rods, GT2 RS aero etc.) to be used on track and also used to drive it back to back with my 997 RS so am in a position to comment on the differences.

They are a totally different animal. The GT2 is a car that needs to be managed more (boost, tyres, brakes and engine temps) and has about 2-3 steady, fast laps in it before almost any lap the car will feel a bit different, whereas the RS's behaviour is mainly determined by how the tyres are doing. So it is a somewhat different challenge in the GT2 - for me it is not as rewarding, but has just a different appeal.

On track in a GT2 you'll pretty much arrive everywhere (in parts massively) quicker and under braking - as everywhere else bar acceleration really - you feel the car's extra mass over the RS. Brakes really take a pounding in the GT2 - you can go through a set of pads in a day if you're taking things seriously and are not hanging about.

The steering is good, but lacks the finesse and sharpness of the RS. As all 911's traction is good but you need to stay awake - with the turbos the throttle has a "rubber band" feel to it, very much unlike the RS - so when the boost kicks in you'd better make sure that everythng is pointed in the correct direction...
This requires a different, less fluent driving style when compared to the RS, which is not really for me.

In comparison - at least in my opinion - the GT3/RS is the scalpel, the GT2 is the sledgehammer. You can improve the GT2 for track use, but it will only get so close to a GT3.

For the Cup car fans, here's an onboard vid from May this year in case you're bored: https://vimeo.com/165773788

[noneedtolift]

Consul, that looks absolutely fab! Any Videos we can watch? :-)

[noneedtolift]

Did you say "understated" and "for the road"??
Love it!

[consul]

Digga said:

consul said:

This will make you laugh, serious amount of fabrication but I just wanted something wild but understated looking for the road.

Bet that boot setup wreaks havoc with the shopping.

Plenty of room for the wifes shopping. The back is completely taken up buy the Chassis and Tubs.

[LaSource]

noneedtolift said:

Could be. I have modified mine (Steel PFC Brakes, Akrapovic titanium exhaust and a KW V3 Suspension, Cup track rods, GT2 RS aero etc.) to be used on track and also used to drive it back to back with my 997 RS so am in a position to comment on the differences.

They are a totally different animal. The GT2 is a car that needs to be managed more (boost, tyres, brakes and engine temps) and has about 2-3 steady, fast laps in it before almost any lap the car will feel a bit different, whereas the RS's behaviour is mainly determined by how the tyres are doing. So it is a somewhat different challenge in the GT2 - for me it is not as rewarding, but has just a different appeal.

On track in a GT2 you'll pretty much arrive everywhere (in parts massively) quicker and under braking - as everywhere else bar acceleration really - you feel the car's extra mass over the RS. Brakes really take a pounding in the GT2 - you can go through a set of pads in a day if you're taking things seriously and are not hanging about.

The steering is good, but lacks the finesse and sharpness of the RS. As all 911's traction is good but you need to stay awake - with the turbos the throttle has a "rubber band" feel to it, very much unlike the RS - so when the boost kicks in you'd better make sure that everythng is pointed in the correct direction...
This requires a different, less fluent driving style when compared to the RS, which is not really for me.

In comparison - at least in my opinion - the GT3/RS is the scalpel, the GT2 is the sledgehammer. You can improve the GT2 for track use, but it will only get so close to a GT3.

For the Cup car fans, here's an onboard vid from May this year in case you're bored: https://vimeo.com/165773788

Thank you for that. I think that gives me a lot of the feedback I was looking for.

[consul]

noneedtolift said:

Consul, that looks absolutely fab! Any Videos we can watch? :-)

There a bit to large to post but in the New year, I'm going to do an early morning rip through london and make a quick film so will post on YouTube.

If you email me on [e-mail] Ill send you a link.

[LaSource]

consul said:

Plenty of room for the wifes shopping. The back is completely taken up buy the Chassis and Tubs.

Interesting car and some lovely metalwork Someone got an A* there

[consul]

LaSource said:

consul said:

Plenty of room for the wifes shopping. The back is completely taken up buy the Chassis and Tubs.

Interesting car and some lovely metalwork Someone got an A* there

The chap who built the whole car and engine is use to playing on cars like the F1 in the background so I was in very good hands. Very skilled metal fabricator.

[MDL111]

I think with regards to prices / cars not selling - people just hiked prices too much (talking LHD) . When I bought mine end of 2014 it cost 95k euros from an OPC (red clubsport, 52km, 2 owners, warranty)

4 months later cars started about 130k, up to c 160 and a few at 200k (which I know as my insurance paid me 127k at the time). Since then stock hasnt moved a lot I think (although not tracking prices closely). There is a car for sale now at about 170k, which I am pretty sure was for sale at about 82k when I bought mine. At those prices there is a lot of other cars you can buy

Same goes for 996 cars, they just doubled in price and some still sitting at same dealers as in mid 2014

[MDL111]

consul said:

Slippydiff said:

consul said:

Thanks for the feed back, I really want a new experience next year but for the track and Cup cars just seem to make sense, its the learning process that appeals to me. I have a friend at Silverstone who stores cars and thats what guys do, they pitch and jump into there Cup cars, have fun all day without worrying about a photo of your car is going to appear being driven on the track etc. 997 Cups are I think around 50-60K now.

And the 997 sequential 'box accounts for 40% of the cost of the car when/if it goes bang ...
Plenty of crashed and or tired cars out there that look cheap, but start counting the cost of overhauling them properly and then as a certain Mr B Franklin once said "“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”.... so factor in gearbox, engine, suspension, brake and driveshaft refurbishment/replacement costs and those "bargains" can start to look decidedly expensive.

Ive had a couple of meetings with the chaps at PARR and they provided me with the gut feeling that there the guys to purchase from.

I have the straight line animal in place now so next year is the track weapon then I'm done with cars, well at least thats what I've told the wife)

that looks awesome - must be a lot of fun driving that on the road

[consul]

MDL111 said:

consul said:

Slippydiff said:

consul said:

Thanks for the feed back, I really want a new experience next year but for the track and Cup cars just seem to make sense, its the learning process that appeals to me. I have a friend at Silverstone who stores cars and thats what guys do, they pitch and jump into there Cup cars, have fun all day without worrying about a photo of your car is going to appear being driven on the track etc. 997 Cups are I think around 50-60K now.

And the 997 sequential 'box accounts for 40% of the cost of the car when/if it goes bang ...
Plenty of crashed and or tired cars out there that look cheap, but start counting the cost of overhauling them properly and then as a certain Mr B Franklin once said "“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”.... so factor in gearbox, engine, suspension, brake and driveshaft refurbishment/replacement costs and those "bargains" can start to look decidedly expensive.

Ive had a couple of meetings with the chaps at PARR and they provided me with the gut feeling that there the guys to purchase from.

I have the straight line animal in place now so next year is the track weapon then I'm done with cars, well at least thats what I've told the wife)

that looks awesome - must be a lot of fun driving that on the road

Wildest car I have ever driven. The torque and just being in it even sitting in traffic is just a sensory overload. It certainly makes you forget about work when you turn the key and thats what its all about for me. You plant the pedal at the lights and your going forward but sideways with tyre smoke filling up the car leaving a nice couple of black lines, all below the speed limit of course.

Edited by consul on Friday 9th December 14:23

[fredt]

consul said:

You plant the pedal at the lights and your going forward but sideways with tyre smoke filling up the car leaving a nice couple of black lines, all below the speed limit of course.

Edited by consul on Friday 9th December 14:23

Ace!

[consul]

Need some help, I have been meaning to swap my wheels back to the original Mk1s, as time passes I'm really starting to embrace the age of the car and the simplicity of the MK1s have hit a button with me, they seem to look more aggressive. Whats the general view ?

[Slippydiff]

consul said:

It is a bit to much for the road but even just driving the car at normal speed with such a wicked exhaust note with the big cam is something even the GT2 cannot match
in terms of grin factor.

Nice to see something built with decent attention to detail. The only thing I take exception to is the manifolds being wrapped rather than ceramic coated, but otherwise beautifully executed. There's hope for us geeks that like to see stuff nicely engineered yet ! !

[MDL111]

consul said:

Need some help, I have been meaning to swap my wheels back to the original Mk1s, as time passes I'm really starting to embrace the age of the car and the simplicity of the MK1s have hit a button with me, they seem to look more aggressive. Whats the general view ?

Initially I preferred the MK2s, but have also come around re MK1s - on a 996 they just seem more fitting nowadays .... I do like both styles - I'd probably go for very light after market wheels in any case though