GT2

[consul]

MDL111 said:

consul said:

Need some help, I have been meaning to swap my wheels back to the original Mk1s, as time passes I'm really starting to embrace the age of the car and the simplicity of the MK1s have hit a button with me, they seem to look more aggressive. Whats the general view ?

Initially I preferred the MK2s, but have also come around re MK1s - on a 996 they just seem more fitting nowadays .... I do like both styles - I'd probably go for very light after market wheels in any case though

Thanks

[consul]

Slippydiff said:

consul said:

It is a bit to much for the road but even just driving the car at normal speed with such a wicked exhaust note with the big cam is something even the GT2 cannot match
in terms of grin factor.

Nice to see something built with decent attention to detail. The only thing I take exception to is the manifolds being wrapped rather than ceramic coated, but otherwise beautifully executed. There's hope for us geeks that like to see stuff nicely engineered yet ! !

The headers funny enough are ceramic coated but are wrapped also in attempt to keep the heat out of the engine bay, we fabricated and anodised the exhaust bezel also to stop the heat and the odd flash flame of the tip from damaging the paint. Every aspect had a side effect which was solved with an engineered solution. The only gripe I have is that every link on the suspension is spherical rod ended so it does bang a bit more which just adds to the direct raw feel of the car.

Edited by consul on Friday 9th December 16:33

[MDL111]

Is it realistic to get enough weight out off the rear of a 97 GT2 to make it similar weight to a 997.2 GT3RS or are the turbos plus ancillaries just too heavy - assuming it is possible, would it then not handle as well as the 3 (obviously you can also take weight out the front but that changes the balance)

[MDL111]

consul said:

MDL111 said:

consul said:

Need some help, I have been meaning to swap my wheels back to the original Mk1s, as time passes I'm really starting to embrace the age of the car and the simplicity of the MK1s have hit a button with me, they seem to look more aggressive. Whats the general view ?

Initially I preferred the MK2s, but have also come around re MK1s - on a 996 they just seem more fitting nowadays .... I do like both styles - I'd probably go for very light after market wheels in any case though

I noticed you had a 355, one I should have never let go. I got the looks but didn't feel the drive unfortunately.

Greatest car I ever owned imo ... had to sell unfortunately (at the lowest point of the market like many others)

Still contemplating buying another one and getting it down to say 1250kg with upgraded suspension... I think it would be awesome as a weekend/track car

[consul]

MDL111 said:

consul said:

MDL111 said:

consul said:

Need some help, I have been meaning to swap my wheels back to the original Mk1s, as time passes I'm really starting to embrace the age of the car and the simplicity of the MK1s have hit a button with me, they seem to look more aggressive. Whats the general view ?

Initially I preferred the MK2s, but have also come around re MK1s - on a 996 they just seem more fitting nowadays .... I do like both styles - I'd probably go for very light after market wheels in any case though

I noticed you had a 355, one I should have never let go. I got the looks but didn't feel the drive unfortunately.

Greatest car I ever owned imo ... had to sell unfortunately (at the lowest point of the market like many others)

Still contemplating buying another one and getting it down to say 1250kg with upgraded suspension... I think it would be awesome as a weekend/track car

I kick myself because it had the Carbon seats and handling kit, 19k on the clock and was kept in mint condition. I had it for 2 years bought from Nick Cartwright, the biggest mistake I made was that I would take the GT2 out for a blast on Sat and Sunday take the 355 out and my wife would say to me that the 355 feels like a toy that just made a loud noise but felt no quicker than her car. I should have never compared the two but thats life, didn't loose any money, could have made a lot as it popped up recently for 130K. Stunning looks but if i did get another one, it would be LHD and manual asI don't think there worth 100k. Best looking Ferrari by far especially from the side, or any angle for that matter.

Edited by consul on Friday 9th December 17:04

[MDL111]

consul said:

I kick myself because it had the Carbon seats and handling kit, 19k on the clock and was kept in mint condition. I had it for 2 years bought from Nick Cartwright, the biggest mistake I made was that I would take the GT2 out for a blast on Sat and Sunday take the 355 out and my wife would say to me that the 355 feels like a toy that just made a loud noise but felt no quicker than her car. I should have never compared the two but thats life, didn't loose any money, could have made a lot as it popped up recently for 130K. Stunning looks but if i did get another one, it would be LHD and manual asI don't think there worth 100k. Best looking Ferrari by far especially from the side, or any angle for that matter.

Edited by consul on Friday 9th December 17:04

Lovely car - mine was Argento

Also would get a LHD next as RHD is compromised imo
I was thinking lightweight buckets, lightweight battery, carbon bumpers, lighter exhaust , upgraded suspension and brakes plus some new tyres and some harnesses would make a lovely car. Don't think it would be any slower than a GT4 (with a proper engine) and looks (personal opinion) - would make a lovely car I think

Nowhere close to a GT2, but that was too fast for the road anyway imo

[consul]

MDL111 said:

consul said:

I kick myself because it had the Carbon seats and handling kit, 19k on the clock and was kept in mint condition. I had it for 2 years bought from Nick Cartwright, the biggest mistake I made was that I would take the GT2 out for a blast on Sat and Sunday take the 355 out and my wife would say to me that the 355 feels like a toy that just made a loud noise but felt no quicker than her car. I should have never compared the two but thats life, didn't loose any money, could have made a lot as it popped up recently for 130K. Stunning looks but if i did get another one, it would be LHD and manual asI don't think there worth 100k. Best looking Ferrari by far especially from the side, or any angle for that matter.

Edited by consul on Friday 9th December 17:04

Lovely car - mine was Argento

Also would get a LHD next as RHD is compromised imo
I was thinking lightweight buckets, lightweight battery, carbon bumpers, lighter exhaust , upgraded suspension and brakes plus some new tyres and some harnesses would make a lovely car. Don't think it would be any slower than a GT4 (with a proper engine) and looks (personal opinion) - would make a lovely car I think

Nowhere close to a GT2, but that was too fast for the road anyway imo

One thing I did like about the car was that you could use all the power through every gear, absolutely ring its kneck upto 8500k, the GT2 simply needs full restraint if the roads damp or even dry. Its taken me a long time to truly use full throttle with the GT2 were is the 355 gave you that confidence without being on the edge of a funeral. I know I will have another one again. Here is a link of mine hammering round Brooklands, I had the loudest car there, it sounded truly amazing. Trust me, you'll know which one it is LOL I had the Testarossa up my tale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfGpSQTDzYw

Edited by consul on Friday 9th December 18:41

Edited by consul on Friday 9th December 18:41

[isaldiri]

LaSource said:

I think that is the question in many minds.

I sadly do not have experience behind the wheel of a GT2, however on paper I should think they are as desirable (if not more) than the GT3 counterparts. Or atleast any disadvantages in the finesse department counterbalanced by power, rarity, etc.

Plus given a bit of careful modification, I would think the handling of a GT2 could be brought a lot closer to a GT3 (with the additional power and rarity benefits).

Maybe being rarer plus less people having tried to intelligently modify them there is less words written about this on forums etc...?

You're a GT3 guy don't really think you'd like the gt2 tbh. well at least the 7gt2 anyway. I've not tried the 6gt2 to be fair so it might be pretty different but the 7gt2 didn't quite do it for me. Oodles of power and a hell lot less boring than a turbo but just not the same 'feel' in the car as the 3. Car I drove was fully stock though, might well be some tweaks like what noneedtolift did would transform the car...

[consul]

MDL111 said:

consul said:

I kick myself because it had the Carbon seats and handling kit, 19k on the clock and was kept in mint condition. I had it for 2 years bought from Nick Cartwright, the biggest mistake I made was that I would take the GT2 out for a blast on Sat and Sunday take the 355 out and my wife would say to me that the 355 feels like a toy that just made a loud noise but felt no quicker than her car. I should have never compared the two but thats life, didn't loose any money, could have made a lot as it popped up recently for 130K. Stunning looks but if i did get another one, it would be LHD and manual asI don't think there worth 100k. Best looking Ferrari by far especially from the side, or any angle for that matter.

Edited by consul on Friday 9th December 17:04

Lovely car - mine was Argento

Also would get a LHD next as RHD is compromised imo
I was thinking lightweight buckets, lightweight battery, carbon bumpers, lighter exhaust , upgraded suspension and brakes plus some new tyres and some harnesses would make a lovely car. Don't think it would be any slower than a GT4 (with a proper engine) and looks (personal opinion) - would make a lovely car I think

Nowhere close to a GT2, but that was too fast for the road anyway imo

Thanks, you have now ignited my 355 fire again.

[MDL111]

consul said:

MDL111 said:

consul said:

I kick myself because it had the Carbon seats and handling kit, 19k on the clock and was kept in mint condition. I had it for 2 years bought from Nick Cartwright, the biggest mistake I made was that I would take the GT2 out for a blast on Sat and Sunday take the 355 out and my wife would say to me that the 355 feels like a toy that just made a loud noise but felt no quicker than her car. I should have never compared the two but thats life, didn't loose any money, could have made a lot as it popped up recently for 130K. Stunning looks but if i did get another one, it would be LHD and manual asI don't think there worth 100k. Best looking Ferrari by far especially from the side, or any angle for that matter.

Edited by consul on Friday 9th December 17:04

Lovely car - mine was Argento

Also would get a LHD next as RHD is compromised imo
I was thinking lightweight buckets, lightweight battery, carbon bumpers, lighter exhaust , upgraded suspension and brakes plus some new tyres and some harnesses would make a lovely car. Don't think it would be any slower than a GT4 (with a proper engine) and looks (personal opinion) - would make a lovely car I think

Nowhere close to a GT2, but that was too fast for the road anyway imo

Thanks, you have now ignited my 355 fire again.

You are welcome - I do that to myself every 3-6 months .... i even have a list somehwere of modifications I want to do/research further - i spend way too much time on this stuff

[Slippydiff]

consul said:

One thing I did like about the car was that you could use all the power through every gear, absolutely ring its kneck upto 8500k the GT2 simply needs full restraint if the roads damp or even dry. Its taken me a long time to truly use full throttle with the GT2 were is the 355 gave you that confidence without being on the edge of a funeral. I know I will have another one again. Here is a link of mine hammering round Brooklands, I had the loudest car there, it sounded truly amazing. Trust me, you'll know which one it is LOL I had the Testarossa up my tale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfGpSQTDzYw

There's a reason for that Jason (well actually there's a couple)

1. Maranello horses are smaller than Stuttgart horses (or at least they were back in the 355's heyday)

2. Of the 360 Maranello horses (I'm being generous) that were in the stable, roughly only 80% actually made it to the back wheels ..... such was/is the inefficiency of the 355's transmission.

The GT2's 462hp on the other hand, will all be present, but are also accompanied by similar amounts of torque. Add in a transmission that does what it says on the tin, without the use of drop gears and other power sapping intricacies, and the GT2 will always feel waaaay quicker.

Ceramic coating and wrap, belt and braces, I'm liking your build even more now

P.S Told you not to let go of those Mk1 wheels ! ! !

[Slippydiff]

isaldiri said:

LaSource said:

I think that is the question in many minds.

I sadly do not have experience behind the wheel of a GT2, however on paper I should think they are as desirable (if not more) than the GT3 counterparts. Or atleast any disadvantages in the finesse department counterbalanced by power, rarity, etc.

Plus given a bit of careful modification, I would think the handling of a GT2 could be brought a lot closer to a GT3 (with the additional power and rarity benefits).

Maybe being rarer plus less people having tried to intelligently modify them there is less words written about this on forums etc...?

You're a GT3 guy don't really think you'd like the gt2 tbh. well at least the 7gt2 anyway. I've not tried the 6gt2 to be fair so it might be pretty different but the 7gt2 didn't quite do it for me. Oodles of power and a hell lot less boring than a turbo but just not the same 'feel' in the car as the 3. Car I drove was fully stock though, might well be some tweaks like what noneedtolift did would transform the car...

All a bit of a myth that the GT2 is inferior in the handling stakes. As you've said, with the right bits they can be made every bit as good as a GT3, but with waaaaay more grunt.

Mine with the first iteration of the Ohlins on was good, but needed further refinement (primarily softer spring rates), when that was done and the dampers fitted to my black Manthey Mk1, it was described by a mate with a very well set up (on custom sprung Bilstein PSS9's) 996 GT2 as a "Go kart".

Said mate went on to fit ExeTC's to his 580hp 996 GT2, I drove that and the manner in which it rode at high speeds was very similar to my black Mk1 (but obviously waaaay quicker in a straight line).

My guess is you may struggle with tyre choice on the 996 GT2, the options are limited for 315 section 18" tyres.

But rest assured with the bare minimum of adjustable rose jointed rear toe links (personally I'd go the whole 9 yards like Ade's silver car, and chuck everything in the Tarret and RSS catalogue at the car: dogbones, solid camber pucks, adjustable camber arms, adjustable rose jointed coffin arms, lockout plates, toe arms etc etc etc).

Get the diff built and set up properly by Matt at Guard, fit the biggest and best steel brakes and some lightweight wheels, along with a set of Ohlins TTX, JRZ's, Motons etc, and then get Matty to fit some GT2 RS intercoolers, a Europipe exhaust and do you a custom map that suits your driving style.And ....

keep all the standard bits stored away carefully.

Not cheap, but a proper weapon and as you've said, rare to boot.

[consul]

Slippydiff said:

consul said:

One thing I did like about the car was that you could use all the power through every gear, absolutely ring its kneck upto 8500k the GT2 simply needs full restraint if the roads damp or even dry. Its taken me a long time to truly use full throttle with the GT2 were is the 355 gave you that confidence without being on the edge of a funeral. I know I will have another one again. Here is a link of mine hammering round Brooklands, I had the loudest car there, it sounded truly amazing. Trust me, you'll know which one it is LOL I had the Testarossa up my tale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfGpSQTDzYw

There's a reason for that Jason (well actually there's a couple)

1. Maranello horses are smaller than Stuttgart horses (or at least they were back in the 355's heyday)

2. Of the 360 Maranello horses (I'm being generous) that were in the stable, roughly only 80% actually made it to the back wheels ..... such was/is the inefficiency of the 355's transmission.

The GT2's 462hp on the other hand, will all be present, but are also accompanied by similar amounts of torque. Add in a transmission that does what it says on the tin, without the use of drop gears and other power sapping intricacies, and the GT2 will always feel waaaay quicker.

Ceramic coating and wrap, belt and braces, I'm liking your build even more now

P.S Told you not to let go of those Mk1 wheels ! ! !

100% Correct, you assumed that you were flying but in reality you could not even shake a 325i LOLL, my wife is German and LOL she would get in the Ferrari and say to me under full throttle, "If I can talk to you without shutting up when your foot is to the floor then its not quick" we would have arguments about it because i was trying to convince myself that it was, now on the other hand the GT2, she does not say a word especially in the mid range LOLLLLL. I've said it once and Ill say it again, I've driven 458s 360Cs etc and no car has given me that Hot Rod brutish feeling like the GT2 which I can only compare to a classic Big Block Cobra in German clothes, thats why I sold the 355 and built my street bruiser because for the weekend I know how I want a car to feel
and the 355 didn't give me that fear factor when you nail it.

I left no stone unturned on the project, I wasn't going to do it again so it just has the best of everything. Its a shame you cant see all the welding on the car because it all got powder coated but it was a pleasure to witness things being hand fabricated.

I still have the MK1s in a box )

Edited by consul on Friday 9th December 19:50

[Slippydiff]

consul said:

100% Correct, you assumed that you were flying but in reality you could not even shake a 325i LOLL, my wife is German and LOL she would get in the Ferrari and say to me under full throttle, "If I can talk to you without shutting up when your foot is to the floor then its not quick" we would have arguments about it because i was trying to convince myself that it was, now on the other hand the GT2, she does not say a word especially in the mid range LOLLLLL. I've said it once and Ill say it again, I've driven 458s 360Cs etc and no car has given me that Hot Rod brutish feeling like the GT2, thats why I sold the 355 and built my street bruiser because for the weekend I know how I want a car to feel
and the 355 didn't give me that fear factor when you nail it.

300hp at the wheels (if you're lucky)

consul said:

I still have the MK1s in a box )

Good to hear it.

consul said:

I left no stone unturned on the project, I wasn't going to do it again so it just has the best of everything. Its a shame you cant see all the welding on the car because it all got powder coated but it was a pleasure to witness things being hand fabricated.

consul said:

I still have the MK1s in a box )

Glad to hear it. No doubting the Mk2 wheels are "prettier", but the Mk1's are more functional (and suit the car better IMO)

[isaldiri]

Slippydiff said:

All a bit of a myth that the GT2 is inferior in the handling stakes. As you've said, with the right bits they can be made every bit as good as a GT3, but with waaaaay more grunt.

Mine with the first iteration of the Ohlins on was good, but needed further refinement (primarily softer spring rates), when that was done and the dampers fitted to my black Manthey Mk1, it was described by a mate with a very well set up (on custom sprung Bilstein PSS9's) 996 GT2 as a "Go kart".

Said mate went on to fit ExeTC's to his 580hp 996 GT2, I drove that and the manner in which it rode at high speeds was very similar to my black Mk1 (but obviously waaaay quicker in a straight line).

My guess is you may struggle with tyre choice on the 996 GT2, the options are limited for 315 section 18" tyres.

But rest assured with the bare minimum of adjustable rose jointed rear toe links (personally I'd go the whole 9 yards like Ade's silver car, and chuck everything in the Tarret and RSS catalogue at the car: dogbones, solid camber pucks, adjustable camber arms, adjustable rose jointed coffin arms, lockout plates, toe arms etc etc etc).

Get the diff built and set up properly by Matt at Guard, fit the biggest and best steel brakes and some lightweight wheels, along with a set of Ohlins TTX, JRZ's, Motons etc, and then get Matty to fit some GT2 RS intercoolers, a Europipe exhaust and do you a custom map that suits your driving style.And ....

keep all the standard bits stored away carefully.

Not cheap, but a proper weapon and as you've said, rare to boot.

Ah but if you threw the diff/suspension etc upgrades at the gt3 would it then be yet better again than a similarly equipped gt2? I can see why people like the gt2 as the power aspect is quite addictive (if a bit laggy) but for me personally it felt a lot heavier and a fair bit less precise than the gt3 (both 997s, factory stock).

lasource is quite into the gt3s I think it's fair to say (and 6gt3s to be precise ) so personally I'd be fairly surprised if he ended up liking the gt2 over the 3. stranger things have happened though!

Edited by isaldiri on Friday 9th December 20:01

[MDL111]

This also looks kinda serious

https://m.mobile.de/auto-inserat/porsche-911-997-g...

[Slippydiff]

isaldiri said:

Ah but if you threw the diff/suspension etc upgrades at the gt3 would it then be yet better again than a similarly equipped gt2? I can see why people like the gt2 as the power aspect is quite addictive (if a bit laggy) but for me personally it felt a lot heavier and a fair bit less precise than the gt3 (both 997s, factory stock).

lasource is quite into the gt3s I think it's fair to say (and 6gt3s to be precise ) so personally I'd be fairly surprised if he ended up liking the gt2 over the 3.

I've zero experience behind the wheel of a 997 GT2, so I'm in no position to comment on them. I know that's very un-PH like, but just because your aunt's brother's wife's husband's mate had a passenger ride in one ten years ago (or was that an MR2 ? I'm not sure....) it doesn't really make an individual qualified to comment on a topic.....

The GT2 lag thing is another myth (certainly in a 996 GT2 anyway), they need to be fuelled consistently with decent fuel, otherwise the adaptive ECU pulls timing and boost like it's going out of fashion. Nett result, a horribly laggy car.

The turbos and manifolds need to be HOT !! (not cruising around with zero boost at 70mph hot) but lots of revs/boost HOT, heat energy is key here. Once again, pottering around at low speeds with zero boost will soften the throttle response and make the car feel laggy.

If the car still feels laggy, it has a problem that needs investigating. If the car still feels laggy, it's time for a decent remap with someone who understands these cars. The boost can be brought in earlier in the rev range and harder, or it can be brought in earlier but build in a more linear fashion (so it behaves more like a big NA engine, rather than a massive hit of torque midway in the rev range).

But would throwing all the kit I've suggested at a GT3 make it a better car than the equivalent GT2 ? The GT2 has a bigger tyre footprint than a Mk1 GT3 (and a bigger rear footprint than a Mk2 GT3) that could make the car feel a bit more flatfooted on stock geo settings, but with the camber and caster settings set to more track biased settings, I'd suggest there'd be nothing in it.

The GT2's speed down the straights would be above those of the NA car, but the GT2 will possibly be more of a handful under braking and unless the driver is both familiar and comfortable with the power and torque delivery of the turbo engine, getting on the power in the manner you would with the NA engine could be trickier.

I owned 4 Mk1 GT3's, 2 Gen 1 997 GT3's and 2 996 GT2's, so I understand La Source's predicament all too well ! !

[consul]

Slippydiff said:

isaldiri said:

Ah but if you threw the diff/suspension etc upgrades at the gt3 would it then be yet better again than a similarly equipped gt2? I can see why people like the gt2 as the power aspect is quite addictive (if a bit laggy) but for me personally it felt a lot heavier and a fair bit less precise than the gt3 (both 997s, factory stock).

lasource is quite into the gt3s I think it's fair to say (and 6gt3s to be precise ) so personally I'd be fairly surprised if he ended up liking the gt2 over the 3.

I've zero experience behind the wheel of a 997 GT2, so I'm in no position to comment on them. I know that's very un-PH like, but just because your aunt's brother's wife's husband's mate had a passenger ride in one ten years ago (or was that an MR2 ? I'm not sure....) it doesn't really make an individual qualified to comment on a topic.....

The GT2 lag thing is another myth (certainly in a 996 GT2 anyway), they need to be fuelled consistently with decent fuel, otherwise the adaptive ECU pulls timing and boost like it's going out of fashion. Nett result, a horribly laggy car.

The turbos and manifolds need to be HOT !! (not cruising around with zero boost at 70mph hot) but lots of revs/boost HOT, heat energy is key here. Once again, pottering around at low speeds with zero boost will soften the throttle response and make the car feel laggy.

If the car still feels laggy, it has a problem that needs investigating. If the car still feels laggy, it's time for a decent remap with someone who understands these cars. The boost can be brought in earlier in the rev range and harder, or it can be brought in earlier but build in a more linear fashion (so it behaves more like a big NA engine, rather than a massive hit of torque midway in the rev range).

But would throwing all the kit I've suggested at a GT3 make it a better car than the equivalent GT2 ? The GT2 has a bigger tyre footprint than a Mk1 GT3 (and a bigger rear footprint than a Mk2 GT3) that could make the car feel a bit more flatfooted on stock geo settings, but with the camber and caster settings set to more track biased settings, I'd suggest there'd be nothing in it.

The GT2's speed down the straights would be above those of the NA car, but the GT2 will possibly be more of a handful under braking and unless the driver is both familiar and comfortable with the power and torque delivery of the turbo engine, getting on the power in the manner you would with the NA engine could be trickier.

I owned 4 Mk1 GT3's, 2 Gen 1 997 GT3's and 2 996 GT2's, so I understand La Source's predicament all too well ! !

I run nothing but Optimax in mine and when its up to temp on a good B road, Lag does not even come into it. If anything they feel like a NA Big Block V8. Just my humble opinion.

[Slippydiff]

MDL111 said:

This also looks kinda serious

https://m.mobile.de/auto-inserat/porsche-911-997-g...

Gosh. With 730hp I'd imagine it is "kinda serious". Someone must've undergone open-wallet surgery to have commissioned it ....

[LaSource]

Slippydiff said:

isaldiri said:

Ah but if you threw the diff/suspension etc upgrades at the gt3 would it then be yet better again than a similarly equipped gt2? I can see why people like the gt2 as the power aspect is quite addictive (if a bit laggy) but for me personally it felt a lot heavier and a fair bit less precise than the gt3 (both 997s, factory stock).

lasource is quite into the gt3s I think it's fair to say (and 6gt3s to be precise ) so personally I'd be fairly surprised if he ended up liking the gt2 over the 3.

I've zero experience behind the wheel of a 997 GT2, so I'm in no position to comment on them. I know that's very un-PH like, but just because your aunt's brother's wife's husband's mate had a passenger ride in one ten years ago (or was that an MR2 ? I'm not sure....) it doesn't really make an individual qualified to comment on a topic.....

The GT2 lag thing is another myth (certainly in a 996 GT2 anyway), they need to be fuelled consistently with decent fuel, otherwise the adaptive ECU pulls timing and boost like it's going out of fashion. Nett result, a horribly laggy car.

The turbos and manifolds need to be HOT !! (not cruising around with zero boost at 70mph hot) but lots of revs/boost HOT, heat energy is key here. Once again, pottering around at low speeds with zero boost will soften the throttle response and make the car feel laggy.

If the car still feels laggy, it has a problem that needs investigating. If the car still feels laggy, it's time for a decent remap with someone who understands these cars. The boost can be brought in earlier in the rev range and harder, or it can be brought in earlier but build in a more linear fashion (so it behaves more like a big NA engine, rather than a massive hit of torque midway in the rev range).

But would throwing all the kit I've suggested at a GT3 make it a better car than the equivalent GT2 ? The GT2 has a bigger tyre footprint than a Mk1 GT3 (and a bigger rear footprint than a Mk2 GT3) that could make the car feel a bit more flatfooted on stock geo settings, but with the camber and caster settings set to more track biased settings, I'd suggest there'd be nothing in it.

The GT2's speed down the straights would be above those of the NA car, but the GT2 will possibly be more of a handful under braking and unless the driver is both familiar and comfortable with the power and torque delivery of the turbo engine, getting on the power in the manner you would with the NA engine could be trickier.

I owned 4 Mk1 GT3's, 2 Gen 1 997 GT3's and 2 996 GT2's, so I understand La Source's predicament all too well ! !

As both of you have good knowledge of where I come from, to be clear it's the 996 GT2 which has been intriguing me with the thought of how close to a 996 GT3 could it handle. I probably already share Isaldiri's perspective on the 997 GT2 so was less interested in that.

My impression is that technically you can make a cracking track car out of a 6GT2. However the limitations may be reduced ability to lap 'endlessly', higher consumable wear, and reduced options for alloys/tyres. However, if one is perhaps less aggressive or 'demanding' of the car then it could be a cracker.