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consul said:
Slippydiff said:
DiscoColin said:
Nice, but criminally underused for something roughly a decade old. I do hope that you are redressing that.....?
That was taken back in back in 2007. I did 20k miles in the car (taking it from 12k to 32k in just over 2 years) I think Jason's stuck a few miles on it since then too.almost like a Brand new car when you see it in the flesh despite the mileage. Looking forward to seeing the next 55k
Harris_I said:
consul said:
Ive got a day booked at Chobham next year
Apologies for the thread hijack, but how did you manage to book a trackday at Chobham? I was under the impression this was an 'experience only' track, ie you hire their cars with an instructor alongside.
RWD cossie wil said:
Is it sad wanting a GT2 so much to go with the turbo? I keep looking at what car could possibly be the next step at a later date (only had the turbo 9 months!), but nothing this side of 80k really gets me going? Driven a mates 360 with flappy paddles & have to say I'm not impressed at all, sounds great but pretty wooly chassis & awful awful gearbox, and also driven a mates R8 V10, which is stunning, but I still think I would buy a GT2 first!
Just hope I can save up in time before they go stupid!
My mentality might be a little different but it comes down to two things, affordability and enjoyment.Just hope I can save up in time before they go stupid!
I knew that when I sold the Turbo for the GT2 I was buying a bespoke specialist car that needs a totally different
Financial plan in terms of maintance. I'm overally fussy with a cars look and presentation so I like everything to be as it should but the truth is, what I found with the Turbo your bushes could be worn to its knuckles, tyres resembling slicks, Geo
resembling a bow legged person, etc and the car will still provide a safety net and Could still scrape through an MOT and be legal but compared to a worn GT2 which would be a death trap worn out. You could drop thousands in a blink, I'm being harsh but that's the reality. If your that desperate for one but don't have the funds to get a mint one, I would look for a Hi Miles car that needs work but take the approach of a restoration project. That way at least you have the car and then just take a long term view on bringing it upto scratch in a safe manor. Yes they are bomb proof but that's just in terms of the GT1 block, it's all the bits that's attached to it that clock up. I dropped 6k on mine this year, suspension rebuild, tyres, Major Fearn sport service inc Coil packs etc not to mention the rear Discs at £2k. The rads are nice and dry and the clutch feels good but I know at some point there next, I'm not price dropping but I'm just giving you a clear picture of my personal experience, the current market value for me personally is an absolute joke but bare in mind new it was £120k ish so the bills will reflect that when things need replacing.
There a seriously very very hard car to replace once mechanically there correct and I'm comparing to cars that I have considered replacing it with over the last 2 years ie, 997 GT3 Rs Mk1 and 2, 458 which was great to drive but was to easy to learn to Drive quickly so I knew I would get board of it, my 355 looked like it was (laugh) frightened parked next to it so that had to go. You get the picture.
Edited by consul on Friday 19th December 12:03
Edited by consul on Friday 19th December 12:27
consul said:
RWD cossie wil said:
Is it sad wanting a GT2 so much to go with the turbo? I keep looking at what car could possibly be the next step at a later date (only had the turbo 9 months!), but nothing this side of 80k really gets me going? Driven a mates 360 with flappy paddles & have to say I'm not impressed at all, sounds great but pretty wooly chassis & awful awful gearbox, and also driven a mates R8 V10, which is stunning, but I still think I would buy a GT2 first!
Just hope I can save up in time before they go stupid!
My mentality might be a little different but it comes down to two things, affordability and enjoyment.Just hope I can save up in time before they go stupid!
I knew that when I sold the Turbo for the GT2 I was buying a bespoke specialist car that needs a totally different
Financial plan in terms of maintance. I'm overally fussy with a cars look and presentation so I like everything to be as it should but the truth is, what I found with the Turbo your bushes could be worn to its knuckles, tyres resembling slicks, Geo
resembling a bow legged person, etc and the car will still provide a safety net and Could still scrape through an MOT and be legal but compared to a worn GT2 which would be a death trap worn out. You could drop thousands in a blink, I'm being harsh but that's the reality. If your that desperate for one but don't have the funds to get a mint one, I would look for a Hi Miles car that needs work but take the approach of a restoration project. That way at least you have the car and then just take a long term view on bringing it upto scratch in a safe manor. Yes they are bomb proof but that's just in terms of the GT1 block, it's all the bits that's attached to it that clock up. I dropped 6k on mine this year, suspension rebuild, tyres, Major Fearn sport service inc Coil packs etc not to mention the rear Discs at £2k. The rads are nice and dry and the clutch feels good but I know at some point there next, I'm not price dropping but I'm just giving you a clear picture of my personal experience, the current market value for me personally is an absolute joke but bare in mind new it was £120k ish so the bills will reflect that when things need replacing.
There a seriously very very hard car to replace once mechanically there correct and I'm comparing to cars that I have considered replacing it with over the last 2 years ie, 997 GT3 Rs Mk1 and 2, 458 which was great to drive but was to easy to learn to Drive quickly so I knew I would get board of it, my 355 looked like it was (laugh) frightened parked next to it so that had to go. You get the picture.
Edited by consul on Friday 19th December 12:03
Edited by consul on Friday 19th December 12:27
Now, how do I justify to the Mrs that it makes sense to get a GT2 on the never never as they are going up in price faster than the interest payments?
RWD cossie wil said:
Totally get where you are coming from, I'm just worried I'm going to "miss the boat" as the next few years I will be investing in property quite heavily so most of my spare £££ will be tied up doing that. I spent a fortune on the turbo this year, much the same as you I'm of the mindset there is no point in running a performance car on the cheap, it has to be right. Saying that, a trip to 9Excellence for the 9E30 package wasn't exactly a maintenance requirement, but Jesus it goes well now!
Now, how do I justify to the Mrs that it makes sense to get a GT2 on the never never as they are going up in price faster than the interest payments?
If I'm honest you might have already missed the boat - there are no straight cars available now so owners will only part with the good ones at what they consider to be the right money (for them). That said you could get lucky but reckon on a minimum spend of £60k to get something mechanically and cosmetically half tidy.... MK11's or club sports will start at that figure plus £10k IMO Now, how do I justify to the Mrs that it makes sense to get a GT2 on the never never as they are going up in price faster than the interest payments?
So whilst on one of my favourite subjects, ie GT2's I found this video:-
http://youtu.be/DGHz0WHvOgI (Standard 997 GT2)
which shows a 997 GT2 doing a 7:23.9 BTG round Nurburgring, the official time is about a 7.31 as far as I remember and no video was taken, I think it was Walter who did the lap in traffic, this new video is in fairly light traffic, and was held up for probably a couple of seconds overall and a little untidy in a couple of places; but still it's still about 7 or 8 seconds faster than has previously stood for this car, the 997 GT2 RS BTG is a 7:16, so about 8 seconds faster as below:-
http://youtu.be/FVr1W9iuvpc (997 GT2 RS)
So the new 991 GT3 with all that new fangled flappy paddle automatic gearbox stuff that pulls a cars length ever gear change, rear wheel steer, wider track and 6 years of development apparently does a 7:25, so still a fraction as makes no difference slower than a six year old car that apparently some say doesn't go round corners very well.
So found this also its of the 991 GT3 driven by same driver / passenger, looks like same conditions and about the same time of the year looking at the dates,
The two videos are filmed in the same way and format which is useful for comparison, interesting putting them side by side onscreen and setting both off at the same time / point on track, the GT2 pulls some distance away quite quickly on the GT3, in fact part way through its worth resetting them back to a common point on the track to show the time / distance, the GT2 once again starts to pull some distance on the GT3 and by the end is 7 seconds ahead, interestingly though is that speeds through sections look almost identical almost all of the time. The GT2 certainly doesn't appear to loose much / anytime through corners and certainly gains on the straights.
http://youtu.be/LGWGAEUPzD8 (991 GT3)
Question is then, does this count as an official timed lap, and why hasn't the officially recognised lap time been updated?
Still an amazing piece of kit IMHO for an older car!
http://youtu.be/DGHz0WHvOgI (Standard 997 GT2)
which shows a 997 GT2 doing a 7:23.9 BTG round Nurburgring, the official time is about a 7.31 as far as I remember and no video was taken, I think it was Walter who did the lap in traffic, this new video is in fairly light traffic, and was held up for probably a couple of seconds overall and a little untidy in a couple of places; but still it's still about 7 or 8 seconds faster than has previously stood for this car, the 997 GT2 RS BTG is a 7:16, so about 8 seconds faster as below:-
http://youtu.be/FVr1W9iuvpc (997 GT2 RS)
So the new 991 GT3 with all that new fangled flappy paddle automatic gearbox stuff that pulls a cars length ever gear change, rear wheel steer, wider track and 6 years of development apparently does a 7:25, so still a fraction as makes no difference slower than a six year old car that apparently some say doesn't go round corners very well.
So found this also its of the 991 GT3 driven by same driver / passenger, looks like same conditions and about the same time of the year looking at the dates,
The two videos are filmed in the same way and format which is useful for comparison, interesting putting them side by side onscreen and setting both off at the same time / point on track, the GT2 pulls some distance away quite quickly on the GT3, in fact part way through its worth resetting them back to a common point on the track to show the time / distance, the GT2 once again starts to pull some distance on the GT3 and by the end is 7 seconds ahead, interestingly though is that speeds through sections look almost identical almost all of the time. The GT2 certainly doesn't appear to loose much / anytime through corners and certainly gains on the straights.
http://youtu.be/LGWGAEUPzD8 (991 GT3)
Question is then, does this count as an official timed lap, and why hasn't the officially recognised lap time been updated?
Still an amazing piece of kit IMHO for an older car!
Edited by goldsbd on Saturday 20th December 09:00
consul said:
JZM prices for 964 Turbo, laugh almost half a Mill !!! Can someone please explain why the GT2 is not the same money of at least a 993 Turbo ?
That half a Mill buys one of the most desirable 964 on the planetA 964 3.3 turbo s 1 of 86 worldwide
How many GT2's were manufactured?
Edited by Rocco1 on Sunday 21st December 19:00
Edited by Rocco1 on Sunday 21st December 19:01
consul said:
JZM prices for 964 Turbo, laugh almost half a Mill !!! Can someone please explain why the GT2 is not the same money of at least a 993 Turbo ?
Their 19K mile 6GT2 sold at £85K within a couple of weeks though which probably suggests it was undervalued. Currently there just aren't any cars for sale to test the market. Depending on the announced GT4 spec in Feb I may be writing an advert for mine.m33ufo said:
Their 19K mile 6GT2 sold at £85K within a couple of weeks though which probably suggests it was undervalued. Currently there just aren't any cars for sale to test the market.
Spoke to someone who viewed that particular car with a view to buy, they mentioned it had been remapped with RS intercoolers fitted so passed on it as they were looking for a totally standard car. unclepezza said:
m33ufo said:
Their 19K mile 6GT2 sold at £85K within a couple of weeks though which probably suggests it was undervalued. Currently there just aren't any cars for sale to test the market.
Spoke to someone who viewed that particular car with a view to buy, they mentioned it had been remapped with RS intercoolers fitted so passed on it as they were looking for a totally standard car. Lets look at supply.....There are only three cars for sale at the moment and at least two have a story, the other looks like a dogs dinner in my opinion, that leaves about 60 or so that are left sitting in the hands of owners who arent selling. Any prospective owner needs to sit tight and pounce if a half decent one comes up.
lamble said:
The jzm club sport had the original parts available so very easy to return to standard,gt2 is such a lovely car nice to see a big thread discussing them. THe unfortunate thing which makes them dangerous are the people who drive them, not the cars.
i saw the jzm car. it was immaculate and a shrewd purchase imoSlippydiff said:
Sure you didn't take the Clubbie out by mistake ! ! 
Will bell you tomorrow or Weds.
No H the clubbie is staying firmly put parked up in the garage. To be fair the old girl did come alive after a bit of a thrashing - I'm sure the ECU map goes to sleep when the car has been sat and / or trundles around.... They go very flat very quickly and take some waking up again - which is a s Will bell you tomorrow or Weds.
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