997.2 GT2 RS launched in Leipzig -Holy Cow!

[IMI A]

or just buy a used 7 GT2 for £80k in a year or two and send to Cargraphic or Ruf?

[jackal]

damm that will be fast

and you gotta love porsche for keeping it a manual

[TonyHetherington]

Joe911 said:

TonyHetherington said:

90kg lighter? Wasn't there (very surprising) talk of 200kg only a few days ago?

I think you'll find that was from a US site where they talked about 200lbs - and someone then remisquoted it!

Ah right - that sounds more like it

[Hong Kong Phooey]

jackal said:

damm that will be fast

and you gotta love porsche for keeping it a manual

I haven't yet had the pleasure of driving a 500bhp+ car, so please forgive me if this sounds silly, but does there not become a 'cut off point' to where a stick just gets too busy. I mean 0-60 in 3 secs, 100 in 6-7 secs say, surely your 'gear' hand will be up and down like a yo-yo!
I have also not driven a PDK car either, but would it not be a shame if the GT2 RS does not have the 'quicker' box?

In short, is a manual car *quicker* for track work, or is it all about 'feel' and personal preference than lapping a few secs quicker?

[SpeedYellow]

The PDK will be faster but the manual will be much more fun if you can drive properly!

I've got 630hp in a lightened 996 GT2 Club Sport thanks to RUF and never had an issue with changing gear too quickly... all part of the fun!

[TB993tt]

Hong Kong Phooey said:

I haven't yet had the pleasure of driving a 500bhp+ car, so please forgive me if this sounds silly, but does there not become a 'cut off point' to where a stick just gets too busy. I mean 0-60 in 3 secs, 100 in 6-7 secs say, surely your 'gear' hand will be up and down like a yo-yo!
I have also not driven a PDK car either, but would it not be a shame if the GT2 RS does not have the 'quicker' box?

In short, is a manual car *quicker* for track work, or is it all about 'feel' and personal preference than lapping a few secs quicker?

It is a good point, accelerating my 993tt with lots of power requires lots of manic gearchanging (as said lots of fun) but with the 7GT2 the gears are longer so it actually stays in the gears for a fair while (percieved)
1st 47mph
2nd 79mph
3rd 114mph
4th 137mph
5th 168mph

What is moot is that it has been suggested that the quoted 0-300kph time for the GT2RS of sub 25s is achieved with the 620PS because the RS has shorter gearing than GT2

[slivka]

Hong Kong Phooey said:

jackal said:

damm that will be fast

and you gotta love porsche for keeping it a manual

I haven't yet had the pleasure of driving a 500bhp+ car, so please forgive me if this sounds silly, but does there not become a 'cut off point' to where a stick just gets too busy. I mean 0-60 in 3 secs, 100 in 6-7 secs say, surely your 'gear' hand will be up and down like a yo-yo!
I have also not driven a PDK car either, but would it not be a shame if the GT2 RS does not have the 'quicker' box?

In short, is a manual car *quicker* for track work, or is it all about 'feel' and personal preference than lapping a few secs quicker?

PDK cannot be meshed with the Metzger engine.

[[AJ]]

Hong Kong Phooey said:

jackal said:

damm that will be fast

and you gotta love porsche for keeping it a manual

In short, is a manual car *quicker* for track work, or is it all about 'feel' and personal preference than lapping a few secs quicker?

The driving experience is certainly an important factor, but a crucial one is that the PDK box isn't compatible with the GT1 based engine.

[Edit] Oh, beaten to it!

Edited by [AJ] on Thursday 6th May 10:28

[jackal]

Hong Kong Phooey said:

jackal said:

damm that will be fast

and you gotta love porsche for keeping it a manual

I haven't yet had the pleasure of driving a 500bhp+ car, so please forgive me if this sounds silly, but does there not become a 'cut off point' to where a stick just gets too busy.

Go and watch Senna qualifying at Suzuka in 1989 in the Mclaren Honda .. there you will find your answer

[Hong Kong Phooey]

Thanks, all points understood. As said i have not driven one of these 'dual clutch?' boxes, but from watching the evo clip of Harris pressing on in the 458 - them gear changes are instant!! Surely this is the way forward.
Point understood about the PDK box not compatible with the Metzger engine. Cant help think it would make it a better car.
Like said though, i have no experience yet of cars of this caliber - so this is purely IMO.

Ta

[Wanta996Gotta]

Hong Kong Phooey said:

Thanks, all points understood. As said i have not driven one of these 'dual clutch?' boxes, but from watching the evo clip of Harris pressing on in the 458 - them gear changes are instant!! Surely this is the way forward.
Point understood about the PDK box not compatible with the Metzger engine. Cant help think it would make it a better car.
Like said though, i have no experience yet of cars of this caliber - so this is purely IMO.

Ta

Of course its the way forward.Thats why RUF and the likes started giving there cars upto 720bhp because they could see that these PDK'd cars could match there speeds with 150bhp less. I had a friends E-Gear Gallardo for a few weeks and it was more fun using the paddle shifts blipping up and down that using a manual stick in my opinion. Do the people that go on about the "feel" of a manual stick have the same opinion when driving around in a Ford Focus/Vectra?

Give me a paddle shift anyday.

[ZeroH]

TB993tt said:

Hong Kong Phooey said:

I haven't yet had the pleasure of driving a 500bhp+ car, so please forgive me if this sounds silly, but does there not become a 'cut off point' to where a stick just gets too busy. I mean 0-60 in 3 secs, 100 in 6-7 secs say, surely your 'gear' hand will be up and down like a yo-yo!
I have also not driven a PDK car either, but would it not be a shame if the GT2 RS does not have the 'quicker' box?

In short, is a manual car *quicker* for track work, or is it all about 'feel' and personal preference than lapping a few secs quicker?

It is a good point, accelerating my 993tt with lots of power requires lots of manic gearchanging (as said lots of fun) but with the 7GT2 the gears are longer so it actually stays in the gears for a fair while (percieved)
1st 47mph
2nd 79mph
3rd 114mph
4th 137mph
5th 168mph

What is moot is that it has been suggested that the quoted 0-300kph time for the GT2RS of sub 25s is achieved with the 620PS because the RS has shorter gearing than GT2

Thats a very long 1st gear.... in a regular 996/997tt, 1st gear is literally over before its even begun, making launching pretty tricky.

[TB993tt]

Wanta996Gotta said:

Do the people that go on about the "feel" of a manual stick have the same opinion when driving around in a Ford Focus/Vectra?

Er..... yeah

[Davey S2]

The F1/DSG/PDK boxes are very impressive but why do you need to be able to change gears in 150 microseconds in a road car?

In a race car on track where every milesecond counts its fine but for a road car I would rather have a manual.

I drove an F1 430 Spider several times on the way back from the South of France last week and while it was very impressive I would have preferred a manual.

[DS240]

Drove pdk boxster spyder. Certainly won't be speccing this sort of gearbox any time soon. Yes it is quick to change, but I felt separated from the drive in a car which you shouldn't. Manual in a performance car - autos for diesel wafting saloons.

[TonyHetherington]

ZeroH said:

Thats a very long 1st gear.... in a regular 996/997tt, 1st gear is literally over before its even begun, making launching pretty tricky.

It might be not-the-first-car-ever where 2nd gear is used for the fastest 0-60 time? (Lotus Carlton another famous example)

[Hong Kong Phooey]

[quote=Davey S2]The F1/DSG/PDK boxes are very impressive but why do you need to be able to change gears in 150 microseconds in a road car?


To beat them souped up Corsa's off the lights ?

[woppum]

my opinion from going CSL to Gt3 RS mk2 is that paddles are very different to a stick shift. Both are great fun but ultimatly the shifter offers more in terms of skill and interaction with the car. paddles are great on track when you can really focus on steering, throttle and brakes however ater rockingham on sat ill see which is really more fun. what is obvious to me is there is certainly more involvment with a stick.