997 GT3RS Gen 2 crash today

[supermono]

The Wookie said:

LivinLaVidaLotus said:

SonnyM said:

Steve Rance said:

... The Police have studied the accident on CCTV and concluded that the driver was not speeding or driving dangerously...

Just out of curiosity how can you tell how fast someone is going just by looking at CCTV?

It's recording at a fixed frame rate, they see how far it moves between frames - quite easy to work out TBH.

Either that or the CCTV could have shown the car following the normal flow of traffic, with Vectras and Mondeos cruising along untroubled by the conditions, only for the Porsche to spear off for what looks like no reason whatsoever.

lol. I imagine it'd be more like that MX5 video from this year's V-MAX where the GT40 wafted gracefully through followed by a madly sawing/sliding MX5 going about twice as fast.

SM

[Pork_n_Beem]

I have crashed a 993C2 by aquaplaning. It was such a shock and the dynamics of the 911 refused all attempts to regain control that every 911 i have driven since gets an order of magnitude respect when the road is likely to wet. I even avoid the ruts on the motorway.

I don't consider myself a novice but it is a real issue with such wide tyres and rear weight, my accident happened down a 1 in 7 at 50 mph, water was running across the road after a shower earlier in the day, it was not raining at the time and the water was not there a couple of hours before when i travelled in the opposite direction, i was following a normal hatchback the that threw up spray but by the time it hit my screen i was already aquaplaing, the hatchback went through the water and did not even brake.

I have aquaplaned in other cars but never experienced such a reaction to hitting water.

Ergo - Porsche and water, not good unless you have 6mm of tread !

[rlw]

Diesel130 said:

rlw said:

Great Pretender said:

Steve Rance said:

Hi Guys the car was on cups. I don't want to discuss the matter in detail because I do not think it is appropriate on a open forum. The car aquaplaned on standing water, the driver was unsighted until it was too late. It hit the central reservation and then cannoned into the petrol station. The Police have studied the accident on CCTV and concluded that the driver was not speeding or driving dangerously. Due to the potential collateral damage I am sure that you will agree that any hint of dangerous driving would have resulted in a prosecution.

911's are particularly prone to aquaplaning as there is no weight over the nose of the car. I have aquaplaned in a cup car on wets. The weather combined with the dynamics of the 911 may well have caused the accident but once the accident started they also almost certainly saved his life also.

So, a lack of talent then?

Why cover it up? The driver fked up. It's nothing to do with the car or the tyres it's fitted with.

I take it then that you have never spun a 1996 C200 on the A30 in the piss pouring rain in the dark at 60mph on tyres with 75% tread depth, all at the right pressure. Sometimes its impossible to judge the conditions correctly and what might be fine one second is absolutely not so a second later. That is not a lack of talent but simply being unable to second guess the conditions.

But the flipside to that is you shouldn't be 2nd guessing the conditions - you should have slowed to 50 or 40 or whatever suited the conditions.

Going uphill?

Sometimes, there are things you cannot anticipate and the only way to be avoid them is to be indoors with a mug a Horlicks. Come down of your very high horse because we will all laugh very loudly when it happens to you otherwise.

[majordad]

I collected my GT 3 from the factory in November. Coming from Spa to Calais on the motorway the car was levitating in the rain at 40 mph. Go any faster and it just was undrivable. Two hours of heart in mouth driving. Mine is on Corsas BTW, pretty good in normal rain and or better drained roads.

Whats the storey with the Pirelli Troffero, is it to replace the Corsa, and why does the fronts only have Porsche Approval, or do they ?

[woppum]

Trofeo's are great for a couple of hours until you strip them of all rubber. Not bad fot£1700

[Wills2]

Well looks like TOPGEAR got hold of the story...

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/porsche-911-gt3...

A friend wrote my e92 M3 off whilst driving in the wet on cup+ rubber I'll never spec them again. I guess the GT3 was on similiar rubber.

Edited by Wills2 on Monday 20th September 23:18