997 GT3rs Limited Edition coming?

[cheddar]

Joe911 said:

I'm not saying that Porsche could not do 500bhp from 4 litres ... but Manthey get 475bhp from 4.1 litres and they are pretty much leading edge (and have very strong links with the factory, of course). To get 500 I think they'd need to do more than a little bit of tweaking - surely it would make more sense to do this for the next major model (998 or whatever) rather than now?

Current RS already pushes out 118bhp per litre so they only need 7bhp/litre more to do 500 from 4000cc. Ever harder at these extreme levels of course but Honda did 120 hp/litre reliably 10 years ago and Ferrari are now at 126bhp/litre with the 458..........

[graemel]

Seems to me that owning the latest iconic Porsche is becoming much the same as buying the latest hi tech televison. Today you have bought the finest and tomorrow you own yesterdays newspaper.

[Wills2]

graemel said:

Seems to me that owning the latest iconic Porsche is becoming much the same as buying the latest hi tech televison. Today you have bought the finest and tomorrow you own yesterdays newspaper.

But you don't do you as you still own a grest car...I guess its all a matter of perspective.

Edited by Wills2 on Monday 20th September 22:03

[graemel]

Wills2 said:

graemel said:

Seems to me that owning the latest iconic Porsche is becoming much the same as buying the latest hi tech televison. Today you have bought the finest and tomorrow you own yesterdays newspaper.

But you don't do you as you still own a grest car...I guess its all a matter of perspective.

Edited by Wills2 on Monday 20th September 22:03

I know what you mean Wills but if I had just spent £100k on a GT3RS or £130K on a GT2RS (the £s might be a little out) I personally would be a little upset to find I should have bought the big brother. Re sale will take a hit. If you look at SC, 3.2, 930, 964 and 993 at least you had a few good years of owning the best before the latest came. In truth each are iconic in their own way. It's not like that now.
A mate was about to pull the trigger on the 993 GT1 race car back in 1998 I think. One million pounds including spares package. He bailed out. At Le Mans that year Porsche Factory turned up with the 996 face lifted GT1's and the 993 GT1's were screwed. This has happened throughout Porsche's race history and now they appear to be doing the same with their elite road cars. personally I hope it bites them in the arse. Porsche do not deserve the loyalty to the brand that they enjoy. But then again I am as guilty as the rest as I need my 911 fix.

[Wills2]

graemel said:

Wills2 said:

graemel said:

Seems to me that owning the latest iconic Porsche is becoming much the same as buying the latest hi tech televison. Today you have bought the finest and tomorrow you own yesterdays newspaper.

But you don't do you as you still own a grest car...I guess its all a matter of perspective.

Edited by Wills2 on Monday 20th September 22:03

I know what you mean Wills but if I had just spent £100k on a GT3RS or £130K on a GT2RS (the £s might be a little out) I personally would be a little upset to find I should have bought the big brother. Re sale will take a hit. If you look at SC, 3.2, 930, 964 and 993 at least you had a few good years of owning the best before the latest came. In truth each are iconic in their own way. It's not like that now.
A mate was about to pull the trigger on the 993 GT1 race car back in 1998 I think. One million pounds including spares package. He bailed out. At Le Mans that year Porsche Factory turned up with the 996 face lifted GT1's and the 993 GT1's were screwed. This has happened throughout Porsche's race history and now they appear to be doing the same with their elite road cars. personally I hope it bites them in the arse. Porsche do not deserve the loyalty to the brand that they enjoy. But then again I am as guilty as the rest as I need my 911 fix.

Yes you make a good point, and had I bought (been able too as well)a GT3RS.2 then yes I would have something stuck in my throat at the thought of a 400bhp 4.0 model (the only thing I could hope for was that it was out of my price range and therefore a moot point)

But they are all lovely all the same....

Edited by Wills2 on Monday 20th September 22:28

Edited by Wills2 on Monday 20th September 22:29

[Phooey]

http://i.autoblog.com/2010/09/20/rumormill-porsche...

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2010/09/porsche...


Seems something maybe on the cards

[Wills2]

Phooey said:

http://i.autoblog.com/2010/09/20/rumormill-porsche...

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2010/09/porsche...


Seems something maybe on the cards

But the source is still the same thread on teamspeed on both stories?

[Phooey]

Wills2 said:

Phooey said:

http://i.autoblog.com/2010/09/20/rumormill-porsche...

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2010/09/porsche...


Seems something maybe on the cards

But the source is still the same thread on teamspeed on both stories?

Ah, good point....i knew that. Honest. Goodnight all

[Wills2]

Phooey said:

Wills2 said:

Phooey said:

http://i.autoblog.com/2010/09/20/rumormill-porsche...

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2010/09/porsche...


Seems something maybe on the cards

But the source is still the same thread on teamspeed on both stories?

Ah, good point....i knew that. Honest. Goodnight all

[Old Trout]

If we keep this up Porsche will have to make a limited edition

[bergmeister]

I dont see it happening,but I agree with most of what Graham is saying.

The rs buyers rarely have a interest in the gt2,its a completely different driving experience and does not make much difference to rs values etc
The carbon bonnet looks very poor on a porsche,much better to have a ali one under the paint.

The rs on the road is more than fast enough,on the track 500bhp would be useful, the cylinder liners are now already made in steel and touching each other in the crank case.The engine is close to its reliable limit as it is with out any blowers.

The worst part of the rs is the poor set up and out of the box handling,glad i went for steel brakes,i have had the rear brakes smoking several times with all the aids off,the rear bias seems to much ,and a clear lack of rear cooling.

[cragswinter]

graemel said:

Wills2 said:

graemel said:

Seems to me that owning the latest iconic Porsche is becoming much the same as buying the latest hi tech televison. Today you have bought the finest and tomorrow you own yesterdays newspaper.

But you don't do you as you still own a grest car...I guess its all a matter of perspective.

Edited by Wills2 on Monday 20th September 22:03

I know what you mean Wills but if I had just spent £100k on a GT3RS or £130K on a GT2RS (the £s might be a little out) I personally would be a little upset to find I should have bought the big brother. Re sale will take a hit. If you look at SC, 3.2, 930, 964 and 993 at least you had a few good years of owning the best before the latest came. In truth each are iconic in their own way. It's not like that now.
A mate was about to pull the trigger on the 993 GT1 race car back in 1998 I think. One million pounds including spares package. He bailed out. At Le Mans that year Porsche Factory turned up with the 996 face lifted GT1's and the 993 GT1's were screwed. This has happened throughout Porsche's race history and now they appear to be doing the same with their elite road cars. personally I hope it bites them in the arse. Porsche do not deserve the loyalty to the brand that they enjoy. But then again I am as guilty as the rest as I need my 911 fix.

I understand what you're saying but you are arguing about 911 model variations there & not 911 sub models.
Yes there was a large number of years between SC,3.2,964 & 993 but no more than 996 & 997. The 997 has been going since 2004? Due to be replaced 2011 so 7 years is a heck of a good stretch for a car.
So to move on to the point you were meant to be making re porsches continuing rolling out of special editions, me personally I don't see what's wrong? Were people bleating on about the same thing when they released the 993rs,993gt2,993gt2evo,993 speedster that never happened?. How about the 964 lieghtweight?964rs, that was then superceded by the 964 3.8? Or was the Internet not invented then
Everything becomes obsolete one day, I can't remember when it was that I went to the rs launch,January? I'm guessing it'll be a year after that when/if they release it so it's not all bad.
Honestly, Porsche MAY be releasing a naturally aspirated 500bhp RS 911 & people are complaining? get a grip!!

[DiscoColin]

mayes911 said:

imho the gt1 block will be obsolete next generation.

I am still not so sure about that. The new cooking block is not dry sumped so it will surely need to be somewhat modified (or an entirely new racing derivative designed) before it goes into the Cup, R and RSR derivatives for which the GT3 is the homologation car. It has previously been reported that the Mezger flat 6 has been tested with DFI and the race version already goes to 4L, so I still think that another iteration is certainly at least possible.

[flemke]

Wills2 said:

But the GTS doesn't diminish the performance of the C2S or the TurboS the Turbo nor the GT2RS the performance of the GT2 so the GT3RS will still be a great car just not the best...It's not owning the best 911 that will hurt some, but the car on your drive is still the same as it was yesterday surely?

That is so, but Porsche (and others - witness the laughable premium that BMW are asking for the M3 GTS) are able to get big money out of scarcity value alone, above and beyond the actual incremental cost of producing the limited elements of the limited edition.
After one has paid that additional scarcity premium, it can be pretty bloody galling when the manufacturer then makes the product less scarce, thus reducing substantially its scarcity value, for which one has just paid them a lot of money!

[flemke]

DiscoColin said:

mayes911 said:

imho the gt1 block will be obsolete next generation.

I am still not so sure about that. The new cooking block is not dry sumped so it will surely need to be somewhat modified (or an entirely new racing derivative designed) before it goes into the Cup, R and RSR derivatives for which the GT3 is the homologation car. It has previously been reported that the Mezger flat 6 has been tested with DFI and the race version already goes to 4L, so I still think that another iteration is certainly at least possible.

Manthey do a 4.1 version of it, which will be reviewed in the next edition of one of the British Porsche mags. It makes the Gen 2 RS engine seem ordinary.

[DiscoColin]

flemke said:

DiscoColin said:

mayes911 said:

imho the gt1 block will be obsolete next generation.

I am still not so sure about that. The new cooking block is not dry sumped so it will surely need to be somewhat modified (or an entirely new racing derivative designed) before it goes into the Cup, R and RSR derivatives for which the GT3 is the homologation car. It has previously been reported that the Mezger flat 6 has been tested with DFI and the race version already goes to 4L, so I still think that another iteration is certainly at least possible.

Manthey do a 4.1 version of it, which will be reviewed in the next edition of one of the British Porsche mags. It makes the Gen 2 RS engine seem ordinary.

Please continue... One pertinent question though - if a full production Porsche were to follow in the same fashion it would have to meet emissions and so on in all of the worlds main car markets. Would the Manthey built version satisfy that? How about longevity? I am also assuming that a fairly exotic premium is associated with it?

[agtlaw]

flemke said:

Manthey do a 4.1 version of it, which will be reviewed in the next edition of one of the British Porsche mags. It makes the Gen 2 RS engine seem ordinary.

that'll be this K480 4.1 litre engine at Euros 40,000. the K450 3.9 is only about Euros 20,000: http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextshopcms/show.asp?...

musante in USA do a 4 litre conversion for the 996 GT3. its about £20,000 from memory. http://www.eplabs.net/products/porsche/porsche-har...

Edited by agtlaw on Wednesday 22 September 22:42

[spareparts]

[graemel]

spareparts said:

That must have taken a lot of effort. Very very funny and the irony IMO is oh so true. Limited build numbers for special 911's are part of porsche's history. 356 number 997 speedsters all in Henry Ford's any colour you like as long as it is blue is cobblers

[dom9]

I believe you can even now get a 'normal' M96 Carrera engine in 4.0 flavour, from the US for US$20k!