997 GT3rs Limited Edition coming?

[jackg]

I've got a 2011 GTR and love it! It's the tunability which I love most,

[DS240]

GT2CS said:

that would be 3 secs slower than the £70k 2011 Nissan GTR then

I don't own a 911 of any kind. But I could have and would/will in the future.

I wouldn't EVER own a GTR. The past ones look nasty now and the current one is horrid inside and alright on the outside.

Sick of this on going thing about whether it is faster than a porsche round the ring. If it was 30sec faster, i still wouldn't care or want one.

The radical/westfield/ultima things are much faster, but I still wouldn't have one over any 997 RS let alone this 4.0 version.

[FactoryPilot]

GT2CS said:

that would be 3 secs slower than the £70k 2011 Nissan GTR then

True. But where the Porsche will lap the ring all day and all night with no issues, the GTR gearbox/transmission will have long since cooked itself

[keep it lit]

GT2CS said:

that would be 3 secs slower than the £70k 2011 Nissan GTR then

... yeah for A lap.

[ZeroH]

GT2CS said:

that would be 3 secs slower than the £70k 2011 Nissan GTR then

Yawn.

Feel free to tell us the fastest independent time garnered at the ring tho.

[cragswinter]

FactoryPilot said:

True. But where the Porsche will lap the ring all day and all night with no issues, the GTR gearbox/transmission will have long since cooked itself

I get your point, but how many average customers would do more than 3 laps on the trot of the ring?
Only on the hottest summer days could the gtr not do 3 continuous laps without getting into the danger zone on the trans temp
& after that a 20 min break seemed to drop it enough to get you another 3 laps.

Which to be fair, is a compraise worth taking for the price difference, or at least one worth looking at

[Steve Rance]

Are Nissan seriously expecting us to believe that a road car 200kg heavier than a race bred car with the same power output is quicker. I've driven a GTR. Fastest tractor I've ever driven. Very impressive but if anyone honestly thinks it has a hope in hell of living with the gen 2 RS let alone the 4.0 car, they are living in dream land.

[wtdoom]

Steve Rance said:

Are Nissan seriously expecting us to believe that a road car 200kg heavier than a race bred car with the same power output is quicker. I've driven a GTR. Fastest tractor I've ever driven. Very impressive but if anyone honestly thinks it has a hope in hell of living with the gen 2 RS let alone the 4.0 car, they are living in dream land.

Hear , Hear Mr Rance .

Edited by wtdoom on Saturday 28th May 02:32

[keep it lit]

Steve Rance said:

Are Nissan seriously expecting us to believe that a road car 200kg heavier than a race bred car with the same power output is quicker. I've driven a GTR. Fastest tractor I've ever driven. Very impressive but if anyone honestly thinks it has a hope in hell of living with the gen 2 RS let alone the 4.0 car, they are living in dream land.

Richard Westbrook is currently campaigning a GTR (Sumo Factory RWD Race Car) in the GT1 World Champs... ask him about the gearbox.

[GT2CS]

Steve Rance said:

Are Nissan seriously expecting us to believe that a road car 200kg heavier than a race bred car with the same power output is quicker. I've driven a GTR. Fastest tractor I've ever driven. Very impressive but if anyone honestly thinks it has a hope in hell of living with the gen 2 RS let alone the 4.0 car, they are living in dream land.

so Car and Driver which ran the 08 GTR around Virginia Int'l in 2.55.6 versus the facelift 997 GT3RS in 2.55.9 wouldnt count?

[Steve Rance]

Nope

[Steve Rance]

keep it lit said:

Richard Westbrook is currently campaigning a GTR (Sumo Factory RWD Race Car) in the GT1 World Champs... ask him about the gearbox.

I know Richard very well. He is one of the very fastest 911 cup and RSR drivers in the world. I'll ask him his views. What I can absolutely guarantee is the the difference between a GT1 GTR and the road version will be massive compared to the difference between the 997cup and 997 GT3. One lap comparisons are fraught with subjectivity and in most cases pretty pointless. The ring is a road, both technically and in it's layout far more like one than a racetrack. It flows with mainly high speed corners, there are few big stops and rapis changes of direction. it is fluent and demands a style of carrying as much speed as possible. It rewards power and traction far more than a race track. I rarely get drawn on the lap time thing but it is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that these 2 cars are in the same league on a race track.

[Guyr]

Steve Rance said:

I know Richard very well. He is one of the very fastest 911 cup and RSR drivers in the world. I'll ask him his views.

I wouldn't bother.

The GT1 racing R35 GTR is built to those regs and doesn't share any part of the drive-train with the road GTR. The engine is a 5.6 litre n/a V8, the gearbox is Ricardo and it's rear-wheel drive only.

[DiscoColin]

cragswinter said:

FactoryPilot said:

True. But where the Porsche will lap the ring all day and all night with no issues, the GTR gearbox/transmission will have long since cooked itself

I get your point, but how many average customers would do more than 3 laps on the trot of the ring?
Only on the hottest summer days could the gtr not do 3 continuous laps without getting into the danger zone on the trans temp
& after that a 20 min break seemed to drop it enough to get you another 3 laps.

Which to be fair, is a compraise worth taking for the price difference, or at least one worth looking at

Average GTR customers certainly wouldn't do more than 3 laps on the trot because at that point they run out of fuel as well as overheat the transmission, so you get to cool it down on your pootle over to the ED. Porsche customers on the other hand often do runs of 4 laps or more (haven't done more than 5 continuous myself, but the tank in an RHD will do 6 laps and a cool-down, the 90l in the LHD will do 9 with the only thing to stop you being driver fatigue - so long as you are on the right tyres). As for price difference - that is cost of acquisition. If you are actually going to run it on track the fuel, brakes, tyres and servicing make a 911 a much more sensible option and the strength of residuals on the GT3s means that the cost of ownership argument for a GTR is perhaps not quite as compelling as you might think.

But to each their own - I am not denying that the GTR is anything short of epic nor that it isn't keenly priced, however I reckon that it is a product for a completely different kind of driver and all of these comparisons with Porsches seem to be an exercise in missing the point at best or a tragic case of brand zealotry (both ways) at worst.

[Rosco]

wtdoom said:

Steve Rance said:

Are Nissan seriously expecting us to believe that a road car 200kg heavier than a race bred car with the same power output is quicker. I've driven a GTR. Fastest tractor I've ever driven. Very impressive but if anyone honestly thinks it has a hope in hell of living with the gen 2 RS let alone the 4.0 car, they are living in dream land.

Hear , Hear Mr Rance .

Edited by wtdoom on Saturday 28th May 02:32

Behave the pair of you!!!

Put the average numpty in both cars, including the 4.0 and the GT-R will be faster round any lap, that's a dead cert!
To prove the point, I will try and get below 7.47 BTG in my 4.0 on a tourist day later this year
In fact, point has already been proven as Glen could no keep with me at the time

[jackg]

Steve rance, I've got a Gtr and a gt3rs gen 2 and have tracked them both extensively. I can catorgorically and empirically tell you that the former will spank the latter on any circuit! It will only do it for 15 mins though.

[Glenn McMenamin]

Rosco said:

Behave the pair of you!!!

Put the average numpty in both cars, including the 4.0 and the GT-R will be faster round any lap, that's a dead cert!
To prove the point, I will try and get below 7.47 BTG in my 4.0 on a tourist day later this year
In fact, point has already been proven as Glen could no keep with me at the time

Lol, do you even remember how to drive old boy, it's been so long now..

GTR should kill a 3.6 around the ring with same drivers for sure (1 lap only though ) not sure about a 3.8, but I'd bet a st load it wouldn't beat a 4.0 around there.....you're living in cloud sushi land if you think so

Edited by Glenn McMenamin on Monday 30th May 22:23

[cheddar]

GTR (Gen 1) vs 997 GT3 (Gen 1) Bedford Autodrome, with commentary.

http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/planetevovideos/217626...

[wtdoom]

jackg said:

Steve rance, I've got a Gtr and a gt3rs gen 2 and have tracked them both extensively. I can catorgorically and empirically tell you that the former will spank the latter on any circuit! It will only do it for 15 mins though.

Ill take that bet . Name the track my 4.0 vs your GTR , we can make an event of it .
Loser buys the pies ?

Edited by wtdoom on Tuesday 31st May 00:15

[wtdoom]

Rosco said:

wtdoom said:

Steve Rance said:

Are Nissan seriously expecting us to believe that a road car 200kg heavier than a race bred car with the same power output is quicker. I've driven a GTR. Fastest tractor I've ever driven. Very impressive but if anyone honestly thinks it has a hope in hell of living with the gen 2 RS let alone the 4.0 car, they are living in dream land.

Hear , Hear Mr Rance .

Edited by wtdoom on Saturday 28th May 02:32

Behave the pair of you!!!

Put the average numpty in both cars, including the 4.0 and the GT-R will be faster round any lap, that's a dead cert!
To prove the point, I will try and get below 7.47 BTG in my 4.0 on a tourist day later this year
In fact, point has already been proven as Glen could no keep with me at the time

Who was talking about " the average numpty " ros ???