New Porsche Cayenne Diesel
Discussion
ZeroH said:
So I guess you're not a fan then !
Perhaps you missed my comments about height/visibility etc.... put a new X5 next to a Touran (both on standard rubber) and tell me which you would prefer your wife and baby children to travel 200miles up north in the current conditions in. Simple question.
No, I quite like them but I wouldn't have one with tyres which further compromise the fundamental compromise caused by the height, 4WD etc.Perhaps you missed my comments about height/visibility etc.... put a new X5 next to a Touran (both on standard rubber) and tell me which you would prefer your wife and baby children to travel 200miles up north in the current conditions in. Simple question.
As for Touran vs X5, why not just give her a 44-tonne artic? It's perception, not reality.
Trommel said:
ZeroH said:
So I guess you're not a fan then !
Perhaps you missed my comments about height/visibility etc.... put a new X5 next to a Touran (both on standard rubber) and tell me which you would prefer your wife and baby children to travel 200miles up north in the current conditions in. Simple question.
No, I quite like them but I wouldn't have one with tyres which further compromise the fundamental compromise caused by the height, 4WD etc.Perhaps you missed my comments about height/visibility etc.... put a new X5 next to a Touran (both on standard rubber) and tell me which you would prefer your wife and baby children to travel 200miles up north in the current conditions in. Simple question.
As for Touran vs X5, why not just give her a 44-tonne artic? It's perception, not reality.
cayman-black said:
Having had a RR for the last seven year i really wanted to love the new Cayenne and change to one. But in the end have gone back to another RR. Dont care if the cayenne is faster or corners better, i love the feeling that the rr gives (limmo feel)and that it does not encourage you to drive it fast. If i want to go round corners or any where else at speed i will use the RS!
In one!! 
For me, that's hit the nail on the head......Never felt the RR roll like a boat, was quite stunned how it took rough B-roads around Milton Keynes.....certainly better than my Shogun ever would!!!
Trommel said:
Point is there is no point buying a big 4WD if you don't need the off-road ability. Nothing more stupid than a capable off-roader crippled with 21" summer tyres - best of no worlds. Image>ability.
Disagree completely. I find Estates very boring. I found the Cayenne a lot of fun and, with the high driving position and luxurious interior, just a wonderful place to be. It's a practical daily driver, a luxury limo and a lot of fun all at the same time!To YOU maybe there is no point, but to a lot of others there is a real point.
I cannot wait for mine to turn up!
red_slr said:
Come to this thread a bit late! I tested a Cayenne Dieseil a few months back and came very, very close to ordering one for March delivery.
We really liked the car, A LOT. It is very nice, and a class act does describe it well.
But, in the end we took a used Range Rover 4.4 V8 Vogue on a test drive and we both agreed that the RR was 90% of the Porsche, but for about 30K less. Did we want to spend 30k to get a 10% better car???
So, we spent a couple of grand making our drive way wider and went for the RR.
Yes, its not brand new, and yes, it does have the odd issue - but I have found it to be a great car.
Would I have a RR over a Cayenne D if money was no object.... probably not no - I would prefer the Cayenne D. But, given the current economic climate and the fact that we did not _need_ a brand new 50k car, we went with the RR. It now gets parked in the car park without a care, muddy dogs chucked in the boot, it gets bounced up and down the local lanes and it takes it all in its stride. I am sure a new Cayenne would too, but with a grimice on my face as I drove it!
HTH
That's all very true.We really liked the car, A LOT. It is very nice, and a class act does describe it well.
But, in the end we took a used Range Rover 4.4 V8 Vogue on a test drive and we both agreed that the RR was 90% of the Porsche, but for about 30K less. Did we want to spend 30k to get a 10% better car???
So, we spent a couple of grand making our drive way wider and went for the RR.
Yes, its not brand new, and yes, it does have the odd issue - but I have found it to be a great car.
Would I have a RR over a Cayenne D if money was no object.... probably not no - I would prefer the Cayenne D. But, given the current economic climate and the fact that we did not _need_ a brand new 50k car, we went with the RR. It now gets parked in the car park without a care, muddy dogs chucked in the boot, it gets bounced up and down the local lanes and it takes it all in its stride. I am sure a new Cayenne would too, but with a grimice on my face as I drove it!
HTH
My experience of the new Diesel Cayenne left me really impressed and convinced that it must be 'best in class'. The competition must now see it as the benchmark. It's amazing how good the best SUVs are nowadays.
But, it's so new and popular that you have to pay 'list' or close if you want one. Which, with a decent list of options is £55-65k.
This does make used RRs, X5s, old Cayennes, etc, look great value. However, if I could justify buying new it would be the Cayenne.
Trommel said:
Point is there is no point buying a big 4WD if you don't need the off-road ability. Nothing more stupid than a capable off-roader crippled with 21" summer tyres - best of no worlds. Image>ability.
Sums it up, but you won't convince many on here, as you wouldn't convince a footballer that his new Hublot watch really isn't a 'classy' piece of engineering. The 'snow analogy' is wearing a little thin aswell. 'Glad we've ordered a Cayenne with 21" wheels, just in case...'
ZeroH said:
. put a new X5 next to a Touran (both on standard rubber) and tell me which you would prefer your wife and baby children to travel 200miles up north in the current conditions in. Simple question.
As it happens 
My mate has a new X5 with big factory wheel and tyre package, funnily enough my beater for kids and crap is a Touran DSG (tuned of course
) and it is wearing Avon ice touring tyres. I followed him down a back road with cambers (the other day in the snow) and he was slip sliding away very nearly in the ditch whereas the Touran was totally fine..... OK I know you caveated the tyres but your choice of cars piqued my interest 
robsti said:
It's not the suspension that's the problem, it's the bloody run flat tyres that BMW insists on using, the sidewalls
Are nearly 2 inches thick of solid rubber !
Drove a Cayenne Hybrid the other week, and the smoothness and quietness of the ride was simply a world apart from What I've been used to.
I've had 2 X5's and now on an X6, loved them all, apart from the ride quality due to these rock hard tyres, it's enough to make me look elsewhere for next time, I cant tke them anymore.
Yes the bloody runflats are part of the problem but not all of the problem. I have a X5 3.0sd with sports suspension and 19" wheels and I replaced the runflats with standard Michelin Diamaris tyres as soon as the runflats were worn. The ride improved but by not as much as I hoped. The problem IMHO is that BMW use a fairly basic steel suspension on the X5 which has to be set up very stiff in order for such a heavy high riding vehicle to handle in a manner which befits the so called ultimate driving machine. Had BMW used an adjustable air suspension system, then I think the ride could have been substantially improved. But then why should they when they can sell all that they can make?Are nearly 2 inches thick of solid rubber !
Drove a Cayenne Hybrid the other week, and the smoothness and quietness of the ride was simply a world apart from What I've been used to.
I've had 2 X5's and now on an X6, loved them all, apart from the ride quality due to these rock hard tyres, it's enough to make me look elsewhere for next time, I cant tke them anymore.
I've given up on runflat shod BMWs and wont be buying another. Apart from the dreadful ride, my wife's runflat shod 5 series Touring broke 2 alloy wheels. The tyres themselves are more expensive than standard tyres and are not as widely available. They cannot be repaired if damaged and in my experience, they dont wear as well as standard tyres
TB993tt said:
ZeroH said:
. put a new X5 next to a Touran (both on standard rubber) and tell me which you would prefer your wife and baby children to travel 200miles up north in the current conditions in. Simple question.
As it happens My mate has a new X5 with big factory wheel and tyre package, funnily enough my beater for kids and crap is a Touran DSG (tuned of course
) and it is wearing Avon ice touring tyres. I followed him down a back road with cambers (the other day in the snow) and he was slip sliding away very nearly in the ditch whereas the Touran was totally fine..... OK I know you caveated the tyres but your choice of cars piqued my interest Looking forward to a GT2 update mate, hope all is well
Hi, Can I ask if you already got the car? I have ordered mine in May and I am still waiting for delivery date!! very frustrated.
ted 191 said:
fastbox said:
A couple of months ago I test drove the New Cayenne Diesel (which I thought was fantastic). Speaking to the OPC they advised me the lead time was 6 months, which I wasn't to keen on, I have bought an ex demo from them previously and enquired about the Cayenne I had driven, only to be told, I would be able to buy it until March 2011, when they get a replacement.
Is the lead time for one of these actually 6 months? Are they holding back on production or just got too many orders?
Your thoughts would be appreciated...
When I ordered mine, there were 48 people before me on the list, all with deposits payed.Is the lead time for one of these actually 6 months? Are they holding back on production or just got too many orders?
Your thoughts would be appreciated...
PCDS said:
Hi, Can I ask if you already got the car? I have ordered mine in May and I am still waiting for delivery date!! very frustrated.
Bloody hell... I'd be pestering my OPC if I were you. I only ordered mine 4 weeks ago and was given an expected delivery of April and that's at a time when demand has gone mental.ted 191 said:
fastbox said:
A couple of months ago I test drove the New Cayenne Diesel (which I thought was fantastic). Speaking to the OPC they advised me the lead time was 6 months, which I wasn't to keen on, I have bought an ex demo from them previously and enquired about the Cayenne I had driven, only to be told, I would be able to buy it until March 2011, when they get a replacement.
Is the lead time for one of these actually 6 months? Are they holding back on production or just got too many orders?
Your thoughts would be appreciated...
When I ordered mine, there were 48 people before me on the list, all with deposits payed.Is the lead time for one of these actually 6 months? Are they holding back on production or just got too many orders?
Your thoughts would be appreciated...
HYBRID SYSTEM FAILURE I bought a Cayenne Hybrid in July 10, I've had nothing but problems with it, the dealer has had it back twice with the hybrid system failing, the car just doesn't start the hybrids central motor powers the steering therefore you get the added bonus of a car that doesn't start, you then cant move the 2.5 tonnes it without two people moving the steering wheel...
The Cayenne hybrid system again failed two weeks ago, it had to be dragged from the road. I've rejected and the Porsche dealer refuses to give me a replacement stating a VAT increase in January and the wait it until April to get a new...they don't want to loan one. Great customer service!!
Please stick to the Diesel, This is my 4th Porsche, I gave up a 997 C4 for this...more fool me!!!
The Cayenne hybrid system again failed two weeks ago, it had to be dragged from the road. I've rejected and the Porsche dealer refuses to give me a replacement stating a VAT increase in January and the wait it until April to get a new...they don't want to loan one. Great customer service!!
Please stick to the Diesel, This is my 4th Porsche, I gave up a 997 C4 for this...more fool me!!!
garyhun said:
PCDS said:
Hi, Can I ask if you already got the car? I have ordered mine in May and I am still waiting for delivery date!! very frustrated.
Bloody hell... I'd be pestering my OPC if I were you. I only ordered mine 4 weeks ago and was given an expected delivery of April and that's at a time when demand has gone mental.ted 191 said:
fastbox said:
A couple of months ago I test drove the New Cayenne Diesel (which I thought was fantastic). Speaking to the OPC they advised me the lead time was 6 months, which I wasn't to keen on, I have bought an ex demo from them previously and enquired about the Cayenne I had driven, only to be told, I would be able to buy it until March 2011, when they get a replacement.
Is the lead time for one of these actually 6 months? Are they holding back on production or just got too many orders?
Your thoughts would be appreciated...
When I ordered mine, there were 48 people before me on the list, all with deposits payed.Is the lead time for one of these actually 6 months? Are they holding back on production or just got too many orders?
Your thoughts would be appreciated...
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