New Porsche Cayenne Diesel
Discussion
PorkaFly said:
Catfood...now you've done 10k miles what's your verdict? You came from an RS6 Avant, which I have as well as my 7.2RS, and am now seriously thinking about adding one of these as we need another day to day car; which would then take on the family duties and European blasts to slopes and Summer trips with youngsters. Has to be diesel as 2.5-3k Summer trips across the content are wallet crushing in fuel. Despite that I'm keeping my RS6 for low mileage stuff since we need two family cars. I've driven the standard diesel Cayenne and was really impressed with the real world performance of this and think the performance figures bely the fact it genuinely feels spritely and fast, so the S must be very impressive, but haven't driven one. What real-world mpg are you getting as I imagine you press the right foot somewhat coming from the RS6?
Any views from standard diesel owners all appreciated given the choice - thanks.
PF
Hey PF, fancy seeing you here ! I still have those Tesco Osram D2S lamps that I never got round to fitting in the RS6 !... The RS6 was outstanding, but fell short on interior space (it's a small estate) and fuel. The latter did lose it's charm, when pressing on motorway speeds I was seeing 15MPG. 10K+ P.A. miles of that alone became annoying. It was the fastest thing I have ever driven after the MRC stage II. I'm back to doing lots of miles at present, and last year broke my 4.5 year old Range Rover with 161K miles, hence went for the Cayenne as a main DD. The Cayenne is more torquey than the RS6, and just as capable for pressing in general road load conditions to suit my overbooked calendar as the RS6 was. I'm seeing just over 30MPG in general use. Back from Heathrow to Dorset this AM, 100 miles, average 79MPH, 32.7 MPG. Light footed commute all A & B roads to Malmesbury sees 34+ MPG. The 100 litre tank helps too. I'd ordered the Cayenne and still had the RS6. I almost didn't sell the RS6, but am short on space and have several other cars. It was too good for wifey to drive, it scared her, and she single handedly keeps the local alloy refurb firms in business, so it wouln't have suited at all. I suffered the largest depreciation on the RS6. Owed me nearly £80K, I got back just over half. An expensive 25k miles/three years of motoring. Whatever, there'll never be anything else like it. I'm not complaining, just a little shocked having done the maths. So much so that I nearly went to Notts to see that one in BCA that you posted !Any views from standard diesel owners all appreciated given the choice - thanks.
PF
Both (Cayenne & RS6) are heavyweights, both do well with the setup to disguise the weight. I ordered ceramics this time round too, after having to do the expensive retro fit on the RS6.
The electronics are very similar, PCM, with the multi display 2nd screen and USB etc. Annoyingly it doesn't detect 48KHz AAC tracks and plays them at 10% slow tempo (it thinks they're 44KHz), so having to transcode my audio collection to get it to work. Never had same issue with MMI. Homelink is unuseably useless. Main dealers as bad as Audi on the whole.
Very pleased overall. Felt the 3.0 was underpowered, the 4.2 has plenty of torque. Slightly dim-witted auto box. Super flat torque curve, so why does it need 8 speeds ?!
Cayenne makes the C6 and last shape Range Rover interiors look dated. Fit and finish is faultless. I'm loving the parking heater now. Everything I am used to is an option. Keyless, reversing camera, electric tailgate, all extra $$$.
Just started to detect a tick on slow manouvering, surely Pork can't have forgotten to grease the front bearings too ?!
Ranger 6 said:
What may appear to be a daft question, looking at a s/h new shape diesel.....
If the multi-function wheel isn't fitted - where's the phone buttons?
My guess is they're on the centre console but after 10 years of having buttons on the steering wheel for phone, music and cruise am I daft to discount a s/h Cayenne because it doesn't have one?
If you are used to a MF wheel then I'd personally go for one that has one. You may regret it once the novelty of changing gear with the paddles has worn off.If the multi-function wheel isn't fitted - where's the phone buttons?
My guess is they're on the centre console but after 10 years of having buttons on the steering wheel for phone, music and cruise am I daft to discount a s/h Cayenne because it doesn't have one?
Quite why people buy a car with an auto box this good and then deprive themselves of the MF wheel is beyond me. You can still change gear with the buttons if you get the urge.
Cobnapint said:
If you are used to a MF wheel then I'd personally go for one that has one. You may regret it once the novelty of changing gear with the paddles has worn off.
Good point - thanks. After 5 BMWs and 2 Minis all of which have/had MFS mean that I'm so used to just using my thumbs to control speed, calls and music. The gear paddles would be fun for a while I suppose but I'm a lazy git so why not let the autobox do it's thing 
Ranger 6 said:
What may appear to be a daft question, looking at a s/h new shape diesel.....
If the multi-function wheel isn't fitted - where's the phone buttons?
My guess is they're on the centre console but after 10 years of having buttons on the steering wheel for phone, music and cruise am I daft to discount a s/h Cayenne because it doesn't have one?
Along with Xenons the MF is the option I use the most. I have use the paddles once or twice to play Formula One but soon got bored. The MF wheel also has a lot more functionality than I first realised. Although the touch screen is fine, you will be much more distracted when making calls on the move.If the multi-function wheel isn't fitted - where's the phone buttons?
My guess is they're on the centre console but after 10 years of having buttons on the steering wheel for phone, music and cruise am I daft to discount a s/h Cayenne because it doesn't have one?
catfood12 said:
PorkaFly said:
Catfood...now you've done 10k miles what's your verdict? You came from an RS6 Avant, which I have as well as my 7.2RS, and am now seriously thinking about adding one of these as we need another day to day car; which would then take on the family duties and European blasts to slopes and Summer trips with youngsters. Has to be diesel as 2.5-3k Summer trips across the content are wallet crushing in fuel. Despite that I'm keeping my RS6 for low mileage stuff since we need two family cars. I've driven the standard diesel Cayenne and was really impressed with the real world performance of this and think the performance figures bely the fact it genuinely feels spritely and fast, so the S must be very impressive, but haven't driven one. What real-world mpg are you getting as I imagine you press the right foot somewhat coming from the RS6?
Any views from standard diesel owners all appreciated given the choice - thanks.
PF
Hey PF, fancy seeing you here ! I still have those Tesco Osram D2S lamps that I never got round to fitting in the RS6 !... The RS6 was outstanding, but fell short on interior space (it's a small estate) and fuel. The latter did lose it's charm, when pressing on motorway speeds I was seeing 15MPG. 10K+ P.A. miles of that alone became annoying. It was the fastest thing I have ever driven after the MRC stage II. I'm back to doing lots of miles at present, and last year broke my 4.5 year old Range Rover with 161K miles, hence went for the Cayenne as a main DD. The Cayenne is more torquey than the RS6, and just as capable for pressing in general road load conditions to suit my overbooked calendar as the RS6 was. I'm seeing just over 30MPG in general use. Back from Heathrow to Dorset this AM, 100 miles, average 79MPH, 32.7 MPG. Light footed commute all A & B roads to Malmesbury sees 34+ MPG. The 100 litre tank helps too. I'd ordered the Cayenne and still had the RS6. I almost didn't sell the RS6, but am short on space and have several other cars. It was too good for wifey to drive, it scared her, and she single handedly keeps the local alloy refurb firms in business, so it wouln't have suited at all. I suffered the largest depreciation on the RS6. Owed me nearly £80K, I got back just over half. An expensive 25k miles/three years of motoring. Whatever, there'll never be anything else like it. I'm not complaining, just a little shocked having done the maths. So much so that I nearly went to Notts to see that one in BCA that you posted !Any views from standard diesel owners all appreciated given the choice - thanks.
PF
Both (Cayenne & RS6) are heavyweights, both do well with the setup to disguise the weight. I ordered ceramics this time round too, after having to do the expensive retro fit on the RS6.
The electronics are very similar, PCM, with the multi display 2nd screen and USB etc. Annoyingly it doesn't detect 48KHz AAC tracks and plays them at 10% slow tempo (it thinks they're 44KHz), so having to transcode my audio collection to get it to work. Never had same issue with MMI. Homelink is unuseably useless. Main dealers as bad as Audi on the whole.
Very pleased overall. Felt the 3.0 was underpowered, the 4.2 has plenty of torque. Slightly dim-witted auto box. Super flat torque curve, so why does it need 8 speeds ?!
Cayenne makes the C6 and last shape Range Rover interiors look dated. Fit and finish is faultless. I'm loving the parking heater now. Everything I am used to is an option. Keyless, reversing camera, electric tailgate, all extra $$$.
Just started to detect a tick on slow manouvering, surely Pork can't have forgotten to grease the front bearings too ?!
Really helpful review....I've now driven lots of things and the Cayenne V8 D really does stand out. Every time I get back into my RS6 afterwards though I'm pleased I've decided to keep it too. I bought mine when they were giving them away (£60k) when it should have been approx £95k for my high optioned beast. I've spruced it up and had wheels done (my wife does same I'm afraid) and it's a low miler anyway and was offered £30k bid trade without even seeing it so over 5yrs in April it will have cost less than a mid range 5 series in company car tax payments would have done...it's been a cheap car for me to run compared with other things I've had. Had the gearbox and diff service done recently too and that has made a marked difference to its youthfulness again...amazing the difference it makes.
I've been out driving the new X5 M50D and 3.0D....the first is mental and fun, the second a big step on from last and feels as fast as the last 4.0D did. Very comfy and not a rock hard ride this time. Looks better in flesh than photos, which put me off at start. Only the RS6 and BiTurbo Allroad to go now and then I have to make a decision.
Thanks again for your review...
PF
I confess I'm also interested in your views between the various competitors. I'm on the fence between a new X5 40d and a V6 Cayenne Diesel. Porsche are giving me the Cayenne for a couple of days this weekend, which might swing it, although I'll then be torn as to whether to wait for the new diesel engine in the MY15 update, or get a fairly hefty discount on the last of the current model. Decisions, decisions!
Pete
Pete
pete said:
My supposition is based on internet rumour, and the fact that the Panamera Diesel has just received a revised engine with 300hp and 480lb.ft (new pistons, crank and water cooled turbo apparently). The cosmetic light and bumper changes wouldn't sway me, but the extra 50bhp might.
Pete
I spent last week driving the new Panamera Diesel and it was awesome - felt as quick as my X5 40D and was a lot smoother. I also got 48-50mpg out of it in mixed (non-urban) driving - for a 1900kg car, that was outstanding. Much better than the old Pan Diesel and if I were in the market for a flaming huge sporting saloon with good economy, it would be near the top of my list. The engine should work really well in the Cayenne, albeit with worse consumption due to extra weight and frontal area. Pete
MF wheel drives me around the bend though - the lightest touch on the thumbwheels turns the radio on. Might get used to it, but a real PITA.
Edited by Technomad on Friday 17th January 21:00
Well I've taken the plunge and after 3 ffrr autobiographies (and unable to justify the cost of the new one) I've taken the plunge and order a new diesel s. Managed to get a specable one for March.
Looked at second hand but only 9 for sale at OPCs and all seemed list or just under so not much incentive to get secondhand.
Black
Sportkit
21 turbos
Plus a few extras.
Know anyone who wants a 2011 autobiography?
Looked at second hand but only 9 for sale at OPCs and all seemed list or just under so not much incentive to get secondhand.
Black
Sportkit
21 turbos
Plus a few extras.
Know anyone who wants a 2011 autobiography?
Everyday's a schoolday. If you hold in the lock button on the remote for lazy locking (putting any open windows up), and then keep it held, the mirrors fold in. Can't see that in the manual anywhere.
Also just found button on wiper stalk that didn't seem to do anything, actually operates headlamp washers when the lights are on.
17K miles and I've just found these !
Also just found button on wiper stalk that didn't seem to do anything, actually operates headlamp washers when the lights are on.
17K miles and I've just found these !
Mines approaching it's second birthday, and because I didn't go for the third year warranty from new I've just received the third year extension offer from my OPC.
They'd like 1109.00 of my pounds for the privilege, but before I get to pay that there's another £180 (plus VAT!) for the 111 (not 110 or 112, but 111) point check to be carried out by Porsche before they sanction the warranty.
So that's £1325 for a further 12 months piece of mind and cover - or forget that, and give £100 to the RAC for breakdown cover with a courtesy car, and hope nothing breaks in the meantime that might cost over £1200.
Question is, has anyone out there had any major issues with theirs that might break the bank, because mine (so far) has been faultless.
They'd like 1109.00 of my pounds for the privilege, but before I get to pay that there's another £180 (plus VAT!) for the 111 (not 110 or 112, but 111) point check to be carried out by Porsche before they sanction the warranty.
So that's £1325 for a further 12 months piece of mind and cover - or forget that, and give £100 to the RAC for breakdown cover with a courtesy car, and hope nothing breaks in the meantime that might cost over £1200.
Question is, has anyone out there had any major issues with theirs that might break the bank, because mine (so far) has been faultless.
Cobnapint said:
Mines approaching it's second birthday, and because I didn't go for the third year warranty from new I've just received the third year extension offer from my OPC.
They'd like 1109.00 of my pounds for the privilege, but before I get to pay that there's another £180 (plus VAT!) for the 111 (not 110 or 112, but 111) point check to be carried out by Porsche before they sanction the warranty.
So that's £1325 for a further 12 months piece of mind and cover - or forget that, and give £100 to the RAC for breakdown cover with a courtesy car, and hope nothing breaks in the meantime that might cost over £1200.
Question is, has anyone out there had any major issues with theirs that might break the bank, because mine (so far) has been faultless.
Thats a difficult one, I will be in the same position next year, as I did get the 3rd year warrantyThey'd like 1109.00 of my pounds for the privilege, but before I get to pay that there's another £180 (plus VAT!) for the 111 (not 110 or 112, but 111) point check to be carried out by Porsche before they sanction the warranty.
So that's £1325 for a further 12 months piece of mind and cover - or forget that, and give £100 to the RAC for breakdown cover with a courtesy car, and hope nothing breaks in the meantime that might cost over £1200.
Question is, has anyone out there had any major issues with theirs that might break the bank, because mine (so far) has been faultless.
Mine also approaching the 2nd year has been faultless, will see how the 3rd year goes, are you thinking of changing the car soon ?, do you know if the warranty is transferable ?
Big chunk of change, but what price for peace of mind, I probably will but not decided yet
Saj
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