New Porsche Cayenne Diesel
Discussion
Cobnapint said:
Far better real world driving characteristics, better mpg, handles brilliantly, is MORE than fast enough, base price over £31k cheaper.....any more..?
Almost everything you've said could be said for the base diesel versus the diesel s tho... 3.0 has better mpg, is more than fast enough, handles just as well, and is much cheaper... so why bother with the diesel s ??Edited by Cobnapint on Sunday 29th November 10:33
The initial comment I responded to asked why anyone would choose a turbo over a diesel s... i have provided lots of reasons why but nothing you have offered would make a turbo buyer switch to a diesel.
I suspect, for a lot of buyers (myself included), the 3.0d with a nice spec is all the Cayenne they really need for its intended use - luxury/practical/family SUV.
Diesel S or Turbo can be seen as overkill. I'm assuming most enthusiast owners would also have a proper Porsche sports car for real driving enjoyment?
Diesel S or Turbo can be seen as overkill. I'm assuming most enthusiast owners would also have a proper Porsche sports car for real driving enjoyment?
Interesting comment re the Turbo vs the diesel or SD - if money was no object (purchase and running costs) I'm sure a lot of people would love to have the Turbo - must be a weapon of a car! The SD seemed to be a nice compromise, still get the V8 soundtrack but I guess much better real World economy than the Turbo and also less of a hit on depreciation (still going to be painful depreciation wise longer term - but the price you pay to have something special). Also the Diesel S has a monster amount of torque so for fast wafting along loads of punch....
Can anybody offer any advice re the running boards option. I have a 3 and 5 year old, are the running boards practical for helping kids step into the car or are they more aesthetic than actually being practical? Thanks.....
Can anybody offer any advice re the running boards option. I have a 3 and 5 year old, are the running boards practical for helping kids step into the car or are they more aesthetic than actually being practical? Thanks.....
I have a highly spec'd 3.0D, and a 996 Turbo S as my "proper Porsche". I'd still buy a Diesel S or even a Turbo to go with the 911 if money wasn't an object :-)
On the running board point, I don't have them, but my 4 year old has no trouble clambering in with a knee on the sill, and has been fine since he was 3. If you worry about muddy boot prints on the stainless kick plates, maybe running boards would help, but I prefer the clean exterior look and the interior seems more than hardy enough to handle a toddler's attention! I loved the steps I saw on the Range Rover Sport that hid themselves away automatically, but they add about 100kg of weight, so I'm happy Porsche didn't tempt me with similar.
On the running board point, I don't have them, but my 4 year old has no trouble clambering in with a knee on the sill, and has been fine since he was 3. If you worry about muddy boot prints on the stainless kick plates, maybe running boards would help, but I prefer the clean exterior look and the interior seems more than hardy enough to handle a toddler's attention! I loved the steps I saw on the Range Rover Sport that hid themselves away automatically, but they add about 100kg of weight, so I'm happy Porsche didn't tempt me with similar.
Zingari said:
Strange how they show it as a separate item in the service info OBC?
I think you mean the Particle Filter - slightly different from the Pollen Filter in that the Pollen Filter is changed every 20k service and filters the air that enters the cabin and the Diesel Particulate Filter is a component in the exhaust that catches and burns off soot particles from incomplete combustion and in general / normal use regenerates and shouldn't become an issue - as with all diesels, driving style and journey distance can impair the effectiveness of the DPF and 'clog' it up; this is when you get the Particle Filter warning on the OBC and remedial action is required - plenty of info on google on how to keep it working properlyThanks, appreciate the advice, also prefer the clean look without them. My three year old is pretty determined so she'll get in whatever!
pete said:
I have a highly spec'd 3.0D, and a 996 Turbo S as my "proper Porsche". I'd still buy a Diesel S or even a Turbo to go with the 911 if money wasn't an object :-)
On the running board point, I don't have them, but my 4 year old has no trouble clambering in with a knee on the sill, and has been fine since he was 3. If you worry about muddy boot prints on the stainless kick plates, maybe running boards would help, but I prefer the clean exterior look and the interior seems more than hardy enough to handle a toddler's attention! I loved the steps I saw on the Range Rover Sport that hid themselves away automatically, but they add about 100kg of weight, so I'm happy Porsche didn't tempt me with similar.
On the running board point, I don't have them, but my 4 year old has no trouble clambering in with a knee on the sill, and has been fine since he was 3. If you worry about muddy boot prints on the stainless kick plates, maybe running boards would help, but I prefer the clean exterior look and the interior seems more than hardy enough to handle a toddler's attention! I loved the steps I saw on the Range Rover Sport that hid themselves away automatically, but they add about 100kg of weight, so I'm happy Porsche didn't tempt me with similar.
Pope said:
Zingari said:
Strange how they show it as a separate item in the service info OBC?
I think you mean the Particle Filter - slightly different from the Pollen Filter in that the Pollen Filter is changed every 20k service and filters the air that enters the cabin and the Diesel Particulate Filter is a component in the exhaust that catches and burns off soot particles from incomplete combustion and in general / normal use regenerates and shouldn't become an issue - as with all diesels, driving style and journey distance can impair the effectiveness of the DPF and 'clog' it up; this is when you get the Particle Filter warning on the OBC and remedial action is required - plenty of info on google on how to keep it working properlyI had my experience day today. It was actually my first time in the S Diesel as my 24hr test drive was only in the standard diesel. As every review/comment suggests, the engine is EPIC! Definitely worth the extra, particularly given the amount I've spent on other options. Worth it for the sound alone, It put a real smile on my face 
The brakes were equally as impressive as the engine, if not more so. 60-0 ~2.5 secs (they're bigger on the S models).
As regards must haves; the car I did most of the driving in had sports seats as opposed to the one I did the off road course in which only had the standard 8-way comforts. Well worth the money IMO, they make you feel really secure in the bends and just generally more comfortable, so glad I've gone for those. Something a bit odd which really stood out, the car with the full leather interior smelt so much better that the one with standard plastic. That said, the leather on the dash is nowhere near the quality of that found on the seats with the 'normal'(£2,500 FFS) black leather interior so maybe go for the top-whack natural leather finish if you're feeling flush. Interested to hear what others think about this. The Sport Plus button and launch control made for extra fun and worth £550 or whatever it is. I've spec'd black chrome tailpipes, probably excessive as the standard ones look fine. Don't forget the trivial must haves like auto dimming rear-view mirror and heated seats. I've gone for heated screen like the PEC car but be warned it does give an odd tinted look from the outside.
Economy was a very pleasant surprise. 25mpg really spanking it round the track (I passed two 911's!). 40mpg on my trip round the local roads. Much better than what I get out of my 2007 A6 Quattro 3l diesel, so I can justifiably tell people I'm buying it to save money
I've gone for PTV+ which the test car also had and I'm told it's good for getting all that torque on the tarmac but I'm no expert. PASM I'd say is a must. Air Sus a nice to have which I've also gone for as the roads in Sheffield are the worst I've ever come across.
Wheels are of personal preference, I've gone for the 21" Turbo Design diamond cut ones which I'm very worried about kerbing :-/ The instructor did get me to try cars with and without winter tires on skid pan. The difference was night and day, especially when it came to braking distance. You can't get all weathers for the 21"s so if you don't want to run two sets of tires maybe consider smaller rims and A/W tires?
I ordered mine in August and I'm looking at a March delivery. The date was put back from November. I reckon AdBluing the engine to make it EU6 is taking longer than expected and the VW situation probably isn't helping. I think I'm towards the front of the UK queue. Maybe demand won't be too high with the new model coming in 2017 but Porsche seem to like making people wait!
The brakes were equally as impressive as the engine, if not more so. 60-0 ~2.5 secs (they're bigger on the S models).As regards must haves; the car I did most of the driving in had sports seats as opposed to the one I did the off road course in which only had the standard 8-way comforts. Well worth the money IMO, they make you feel really secure in the bends and just generally more comfortable, so glad I've gone for those. Something a bit odd which really stood out, the car with the full leather interior smelt so much better that the one with standard plastic. That said, the leather on the dash is nowhere near the quality of that found on the seats with the 'normal'(£2,500 FFS) black leather interior so maybe go for the top-whack natural leather finish if you're feeling flush. Interested to hear what others think about this. The Sport Plus button and launch control made for extra fun and worth £550 or whatever it is. I've spec'd black chrome tailpipes, probably excessive as the standard ones look fine. Don't forget the trivial must haves like auto dimming rear-view mirror and heated seats. I've gone for heated screen like the PEC car but be warned it does give an odd tinted look from the outside.
Economy was a very pleasant surprise. 25mpg really spanking it round the track (I passed two 911's!). 40mpg on my trip round the local roads. Much better than what I get out of my 2007 A6 Quattro 3l diesel, so I can justifiably tell people I'm buying it to save money
I've gone for PTV+ which the test car also had and I'm told it's good for getting all that torque on the tarmac but I'm no expert. PASM I'd say is a must. Air Sus a nice to have which I've also gone for as the roads in Sheffield are the worst I've ever come across.
Wheels are of personal preference, I've gone for the 21" Turbo Design diamond cut ones which I'm very worried about kerbing :-/ The instructor did get me to try cars with and without winter tires on skid pan. The difference was night and day, especially when it came to braking distance. You can't get all weathers for the 21"s so if you don't want to run two sets of tires maybe consider smaller rims and A/W tires?
I ordered mine in August and I'm looking at a March delivery. The date was put back from November. I reckon AdBluing the engine to make it EU6 is taking longer than expected and the VW situation probably isn't helping. I think I'm towards the front of the UK queue. Maybe demand won't be too high with the new model coming in 2017 but Porsche seem to like making people wait!
Your car should be one of the first post production re-start. Some cars with AdBlue already so must be something else that's halted production. Just really hoping Porsche introduce the new PCM with Apple Car play when production starts again. Looks like a nice spec car you are getting, thanks for the write up and tips, enjoy....
CayenneWkr said:
I had my experience day today. It was actually my first time in the S Diesel as my 24hr test drive was only in the standard diesel. As every review/comment suggests, the engine is EPIC! Definitely worth the extra, particularly given the amount I've spent on other options. Worth it for the sound alone, It put a real smile on my face The brakes were equally as impressive as the engine, if not more so. 60-0 ~2.5 secs (they're bigger on the S models).
As regards must haves; the car I did most of the driving in had sports seats as opposed to the one I did the off road course in which only had the standard 8-way comforts. Well worth the money IMO, they make you feel really secure in the bends and just generally more comfortable, so glad I've gone for those. Something a bit odd which really stood out, the car with the full leather interior smelt so much better that the one with standard plastic. That said, the leather on the dash is nowhere near the quality of that found on the seats with the 'normal'(£2,500 FFS) black leather interior so maybe go for the top-whack natural leather finish if you're feeling flush. Interested to hear what others think about this. The Sport Plus button and launch control made for extra fun and worth £550 or whatever it is. I've spec'd black chrome tailpipes, probably excessive as the standard ones look fine. Don't forget the trivial must haves like auto dimming rear-view mirror and heated seats. I've gone for heated screen like the PEC car but be warned it does give an odd tinted look from the outside.
Economy was a very pleasant surprise. 25mpg really spanking it round the track (I passed two 911's!). 40mpg on my trip round the local roads. Much better than what I get out of my 2007 A6 Quattro 3l diesel, so I can justifiably tell people I'm buying it to save money
I've gone for PTV+ which the test car also had and I'm told it's good for getting all that torque on the tarmac but I'm no expert. PASM I'd say is a must. Air Sus a nice to have which I've also gone for as the roads in Sheffield are the worst I've ever come across.
Wheels are of personal preference, I've gone for the 21" Turbo Design diamond cut ones which I'm very worried about kerbing :-/ The instructor did get me to try cars with and without winter tires on skid pan. The difference was night and day, especially when it came to braking distance. You can't get all weathers for the 21"s so if you don't want to run two sets of tires maybe consider smaller rims and A/W tires?
I ordered mine in August and I'm looking at a March delivery. The date was put back from November. I reckon AdBluing the engine to make it EU6 is taking longer than expected and the VW situation probably isn't helping. I think I'm towards the front of the UK queue. Maybe demand won't be too high with the new model coming in 2017 but Porsche seem to like making people wait!
The brakes were equally as impressive as the engine, if not more so. 60-0 ~2.5 secs (they're bigger on the S models).As regards must haves; the car I did most of the driving in had sports seats as opposed to the one I did the off road course in which only had the standard 8-way comforts. Well worth the money IMO, they make you feel really secure in the bends and just generally more comfortable, so glad I've gone for those. Something a bit odd which really stood out, the car with the full leather interior smelt so much better that the one with standard plastic. That said, the leather on the dash is nowhere near the quality of that found on the seats with the 'normal'(£2,500 FFS) black leather interior so maybe go for the top-whack natural leather finish if you're feeling flush. Interested to hear what others think about this. The Sport Plus button and launch control made for extra fun and worth £550 or whatever it is. I've spec'd black chrome tailpipes, probably excessive as the standard ones look fine. Don't forget the trivial must haves like auto dimming rear-view mirror and heated seats. I've gone for heated screen like the PEC car but be warned it does give an odd tinted look from the outside.
Economy was a very pleasant surprise. 25mpg really spanking it round the track (I passed two 911's!). 40mpg on my trip round the local roads. Much better than what I get out of my 2007 A6 Quattro 3l diesel, so I can justifiably tell people I'm buying it to save money
I've gone for PTV+ which the test car also had and I'm told it's good for getting all that torque on the tarmac but I'm no expert. PASM I'd say is a must. Air Sus a nice to have which I've also gone for as the roads in Sheffield are the worst I've ever come across.
Wheels are of personal preference, I've gone for the 21" Turbo Design diamond cut ones which I'm very worried about kerbing :-/ The instructor did get me to try cars with and without winter tires on skid pan. The difference was night and day, especially when it came to braking distance. You can't get all weathers for the 21"s so if you don't want to run two sets of tires maybe consider smaller rims and A/W tires?
I ordered mine in August and I'm looking at a March delivery. The date was put back from November. I reckon AdBluing the engine to make it EU6 is taking longer than expected and the VW situation probably isn't helping. I think I'm towards the front of the UK queue. Maybe demand won't be too high with the new model coming in 2017 but Porsche seem to like making people wait!
CayenneWkr said:
I had my experience day today. It was actually my first time in the S Diesel as my 24hr test drive was only in the standard diesel. As every review/comment suggests, the engine is EPIC! Definitely worth the extra, particularly given the amount I've spent on other options. Worth it for the sound alone, It put a real smile on my face The brakes were equally as impressive as the engine, if not more so. 60-0 ~2.5 secs (they're bigger on the S models).
As regards must haves; the car I did most of the driving in had sports seats as opposed to the one I did the off road course in which only had the standard 8-way comforts. Well worth the money IMO, they make you feel really secure in the bends and just generally more comfortable, so glad I've gone for those. Something a bit odd which really stood out, the car with the full leather interior smelt so much better that the one with standard plastic. That said, the leather on the dash is nowhere near the quality of that found on the seats with the 'normal'(£2,500 FFS) black leather interior so maybe go for the top-whack natural leather finish if you're feeling flush. Interested to hear what others think about this. The Sport Plus button and launch control made for extra fun and worth £550 or whatever it is. I've spec'd black chrome tailpipes, probably excessive as the standard ones look fine. Don't forget the trivial must haves like auto dimming rear-view mirror and heated seats. I've gone for heated screen like the PEC car but be warned it does give an odd tinted look from the outside.
Economy was a very pleasant surprise. 25mpg really spanking it round the track (I passed two 911's!). 40mpg on my trip round the local roads. Much better than what I get out of my 2007 A6 Quattro 3l diesel, so I can justifiably tell people I'm buying it to save money
I've gone for PTV+ which the test car also had and I'm told it's good for getting all that torque on the tarmac but I'm no expert. PASM I'd say is a must. Air Sus a nice to have which I've also gone for as the roads in Sheffield are the worst I've ever come across.
Wheels are of personal preference, I've gone for the 21" Turbo Design diamond cut ones which I'm very worried about kerbing :-/ The instructor did get me to try cars with and without winter tires on skid pan. The difference was night and day, especially when it came to braking distance. You can't get all weathers for the 21"s so if you don't want to run two sets of tires maybe consider smaller rims and A/W tires?
I ordered mine in August and I'm looking at a March delivery. The date was put back from November. I reckon AdBluing the engine to make it EU6 is taking longer than expected and the VW situation probably isn't helping. I think I'm towards the front of the UK queue. Maybe demand won't be too high with the new model coming in 2017 but Porsche seem to like making people wait!
I love the diamond cut wheels, think they really lift the cars looks. The brakes were equally as impressive as the engine, if not more so. 60-0 ~2.5 secs (they're bigger on the S models).As regards must haves; the car I did most of the driving in had sports seats as opposed to the one I did the off road course in which only had the standard 8-way comforts. Well worth the money IMO, they make you feel really secure in the bends and just generally more comfortable, so glad I've gone for those. Something a bit odd which really stood out, the car with the full leather interior smelt so much better that the one with standard plastic. That said, the leather on the dash is nowhere near the quality of that found on the seats with the 'normal'(£2,500 FFS) black leather interior so maybe go for the top-whack natural leather finish if you're feeling flush. Interested to hear what others think about this. The Sport Plus button and launch control made for extra fun and worth £550 or whatever it is. I've spec'd black chrome tailpipes, probably excessive as the standard ones look fine. Don't forget the trivial must haves like auto dimming rear-view mirror and heated seats. I've gone for heated screen like the PEC car but be warned it does give an odd tinted look from the outside.
Economy was a very pleasant surprise. 25mpg really spanking it round the track (I passed two 911's!). 40mpg on my trip round the local roads. Much better than what I get out of my 2007 A6 Quattro 3l diesel, so I can justifiably tell people I'm buying it to save money
I've gone for PTV+ which the test car also had and I'm told it's good for getting all that torque on the tarmac but I'm no expert. PASM I'd say is a must. Air Sus a nice to have which I've also gone for as the roads in Sheffield are the worst I've ever come across.
Wheels are of personal preference, I've gone for the 21" Turbo Design diamond cut ones which I'm very worried about kerbing :-/ The instructor did get me to try cars with and without winter tires on skid pan. The difference was night and day, especially when it came to braking distance. You can't get all weathers for the 21"s so if you don't want to run two sets of tires maybe consider smaller rims and A/W tires?
I ordered mine in August and I'm looking at a March delivery. The date was put back from November. I reckon AdBluing the engine to make it EU6 is taking longer than expected and the VW situation probably isn't helping. I think I'm towards the front of the UK queue. Maybe demand won't be too high with the new model coming in 2017 but Porsche seem to like making people wait!
Re winter tyres, 21's are available just not in Porsche rated. I've just ordered some anyway, as can't stomach the cost of over £3k for a spare set of rims.
Got snow chains at the ready too
Yes you can get 21" winters but not 21" all-weathers (which can be used all year round). You can pick up a set of new 18" genuine Porsche rims (previous generation) with winter tyres fitted for about £1,500 on eBay. Not much more than a set of 21" winters and you don't need to worry about sliding into a kerb, hitting smaller snow covered rocks etc. as the sidewall's much bigger.
I checked with my dealer last week about the new PCM with Apple Car Play. Not going to be introduced on the Cayenne before the 2017 model apparently
I checked with my dealer last week about the new PCM with Apple Car Play. Not going to be introduced on the Cayenne before the 2017 model apparently
Glenncakeman said:
I love the diamond cut wheels, think they really lift the cars looks.
Re winter tyres, 21's are available just not in Porsche rated. I've just ordered some anyway, as can't stomach the cost of over £3k for a spare set of rims.
Got snow chains at the ready too
I used 19" wheels with winters, and the extra sidewall depth increases tyre compliance and grip, and the spare set of rims also made fitting less of a hassle. Ok, it didn't look as good as it did on 21" wheels, but on proper winters, it was literally unstoppable after heavy frost and heavy snow in the alps.Re winter tyres, 21's are available just not in Porsche rated. I've just ordered some anyway, as can't stomach the cost of over £3k for a spare set of rims.
Got snow chains at the ready too
[quote=CayenneWkr]I had my experience day today. It was actually my first time in the S Diesel as my 24hr test drive was only in the standard diesel. As every review/comment suggests, the engine is EPIC! Definitely worth the extra, particularly given the amount I've spent on other options. Worth it for the sound alone, It put a real smile on my face The brakes were equally as impressive as the engine, if not more so. 60-0 ~2.5 secs (they're bigger on the S models).
Damn. Was hoping you were going to say the 'S' isn't worth the extra £11K Sounds like you really thought it was that much better than the standard diesel. The PEC day is great fun isn't it - had one earlier this year in a CGTS. Maybe looking for a new tow vehicle in the future - so, don't have to make that decision for awhile; probably wait until the the new Cayenne come out in 2017. Was hoping not to spend £70K+ for the diesel S;but sounds like you thought it was worth the extra. I guess as I'll be coming from a 997 Gen 2 C2S the extra horses will be fun Did you get a dealer contribution on the price of a new Cayenne?
The brakes were equally as impressive as the engine, if not more so. 60-0 ~2.5 secs (they're bigger on the S models).Damn. Was hoping you were going to say the 'S' isn't worth the extra £11K
Sounds like you really thought it was that much better than the standard diesel. The PEC day is great fun isn't it - had one earlier this year in a CGTS. Maybe looking for a new tow vehicle in the future - so, don't have to make that decision for awhile; probably wait until the the new Cayenne come out in 2017. Was hoping not to spend £70K+ for the diesel S;but sounds like you thought it was worth the extra. I guess as I'll be coming from a 997 Gen 2 C2S the extra horses will be fun Did you get a dealer contribution on the price of a new Cayenne?IREvans said:
I used 19" wheels with winters, and the extra sidewall depth increases tyre compliance and grip, and the spare set of rims also made fitting less of a hassle. Ok, it didn't look as good as it did on 21" wheels, but on proper winters, it was literally unstoppable after heavy frost and heavy snow in the alps.
I hear you, I know 19's would have been an easy way to go, but the vanity in me couldn't bear to see my P+J rolling around on 19's 4 months of the year. Tyre tech has moved on massively on tyres nowadays, so there shouldn't be any tangible loss of performance in deep snow. ZeroH said:
Almost everything you've said could be said for the base diesel versus the diesel s tho... 3.0 has better mpg, is more than fast enough, handles just as well, and is much cheaper... so why bother with the diesel s ??
The initial comment I responded to asked why anyone would choose a turbo over a diesel s... i have provided lots of reasons why but nothing you have offered would make a turbo buyer switch to a diesel.
Easy answer. I have a diesel S on order because I need the extra power/torque to tw an 1800kg caravan. He 3.0l v6 is way down on both compared to my current X5 40d. And yes, I have a boxster 3.4s pdk for proper driving.The initial comment I responded to asked why anyone would choose a turbo over a diesel s... i have provided lots of reasons why but nothing you have offered would make a turbo buyer switch to a diesel.
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