New Porsche Cayenne Diesel
Discussion
APOLO1 said:
swopped my UK 4.2d for a Macan....big mistake got a new one 4.2d coming on .launch day,only 1 or 2 Mpg, if any at difference in MPG over the 3.0d, and yet 9.10s of the performance of the Turbo.
...Annnnyway, why was the Macan a big mistake? I think everyone knows the V8 diesel is a monster and nominal difference in economy, but the cost difference for us lesser mortals could buy an early Cayman S for the same moneyAPOLO1 said:
you will recall that you said, that the 4.2D is only around until next Sep. This is factually incorrect. In fact it is going into other platforms well after this time...
That isn't what I said - I suggested that it wouldn't be surprising if it wasn't around forever (given that it hasn't been given an SCR system to meet imminent Euro 6 regulations, whilst the V6 diesel has, and given the associated trend for smaller multi-turbo diesels). You then said:APOLO1 said:
it will be Ok for a while yet, P make enough e-cars in which to off-set......
As you appear to have since found out, it doesn't work like that.NomduJour said:
Has to be compliant by September next year, however many hybrids they churn out.
you make this comment in view of the 4.2d, I said you were wrong....you called me a prick......not problem with that...I then set out why you are wrong, you say I am still a prick, again no problem, but you are still wrong.....and its fa the do with smaller nos etc...
just you don't know, simples innit.......
Edited by APOLO1 on Thursday 24th July 19:23
Budweiser said:
It's the way he does it, I find it quite entertaining...
But when he does it over and over I find it just gets irritating. He's only right 50% of the time so you can't even assume he's correct. Seems to be his way of getting a reaction - make an deliberately provocative assertion and then go through his repertoire to defend his position. You'd think at his age he'd have something better to do with his time.
PS. What I found entertaining was Steve Rance making him his b1tch. That was funny.
Edited by IanHg on Thursday 24th July 20:03
APOLO1 said:
you make this comment in view of the 4.2d, I said you were wrong....you called me a prick......not problem with that...
I then set out why you are wrong, you say I am still a prick, again no problem, but you are still wrong.....and is fa the do with smaller nos etc...
just you don't know, simples innit.......
Not what I said (and I didn't call you a prick - I asked if you were one). You have a strange approach to debating - either you know or you don't. If you're trying to be cryptic it isn't working.I then set out why you are wrong, you say I am still a prick, again no problem, but you are still wrong.....and is fa the do with smaller nos etc...
just you don't know, simples innit.......
As above, you cannot just ignore the Euro 6 CO/NOx regulations by meeting a g/km CO2 level (as you claimed).
You did not and have not set out why Porsche will be able to continue selling the V8 diesel (and put it into future platforms) in Europe if it isn't going to meet Euro 6 regulations (which, a couple of months ago on the GT3 thread, you didn't have a clue about). If there's a specific exemption, what's it for?
IanHg said:
But when he does it over and over I find it just gets irritating. He's only right 50% of the time so you can't even assume he's correct.
Seems to be his way of getting a reaction - make an deliberately provocative assertion and then go through his repertoire to defend his position. You'd think at his age he'd have something better to do with his time.
PS. What I found entertaining was Steve Rance making him his b1tch. That was funny.
But the 6RS is only up due to the other RSs....Seems to be his way of getting a reaction - make an deliberately provocative assertion and then go through his repertoire to defend his position. You'd think at his age he'd have something better to do with his time.
PS. What I found entertaining was Steve Rance making him his b1tch. That was funny.
Edited by IanHg on Thursday 24th July 20:03
APOLO1 said:
IanHg said:
But when he does it over and over I find it just gets irritating. He's only right 50% of the time so you can't even assume he's correct.
Seems to be his way of getting a reaction - make an deliberately provocative assertion and then go through his repertoire to defend his position. You'd think at his age he'd have something better to do with his time.
PS. What I found entertaining was Steve Rance making him his b1tch. That was funny.
But the 6RS is only up due to the other RSs....Seems to be his way of getting a reaction - make an deliberately provocative assertion and then go through his repertoire to defend his position. You'd think at his age he'd have something better to do with his time.
PS. What I found entertaining was Steve Rance making him his b1tch. That was funny.
Edited by IanHg on Thursday 24th July 20:03
I’m surprised by how "tame" that facelift is. I expected a 300hp+ V6D and PDK in all cars.
Current Cayenne owners must be happy because there’s really no reason to switch from a pre-FL to a FL from what I can tell. Good for residuals too.
The 2017 Plugin-Hybrid should be interesting.
Current Cayenne owners must be happy because there’s really no reason to switch from a pre-FL to a FL from what I can tell. Good for residuals too.
The 2017 Plugin-Hybrid should be interesting.
I have ticking from the front of my Diesel S, now at 23K, been getting worse since about 20K. Low speed maneuvering, sounds just like CV joints and very similar to a bearing problem I had on a C6 RS6, where there was an Audi service bulletin to re-grease the front bearings.
Also after first service, OPC re-coded auto stop to be default disabled, and the near side mirror drop on selecting reverse has stopped working. That was essential to take care of the alloys when parking. Checked the tick box in PCM, re-saved all memory settings, tried both keys.
It's going in next Thursday for both of these things to be looked at.... Apart from that I remain delighted, one year on !
Also after first service, OPC re-coded auto stop to be default disabled, and the near side mirror drop on selecting reverse has stopped working. That was essential to take care of the alloys when parking. Checked the tick box in PCM, re-saved all memory settings, tried both keys.
It's going in next Thursday for both of these things to be looked at.... Apart from that I remain delighted, one year on !
IanHg said:
I know you focus on £value but it wasn't what I meant. I'm not sure that Steve ever expressed a view on value - more interested in driving it.
Steve is perfectly entitled to his views from a race driver point. My views are in in line with the customer, who purchase the cars. I note with interest that owner's on here also came to the same conclusion as my self on this car.Guys is there a lot of 'obvious' difference between the 3.0 and 4.2 cayenne diesels? I have the 3.0 and must say never really looked at the S at the time..I think it was around £12k base over the 3.0. I had the 957 GTS before that which was a monster car but with the misses ferrying around the little one on constant trips sadly fuel economy did become a factor when I got the new one...in Sport mode I find the 3.0 still fairly lively but is the 4.2 different league?
APOLO1 said:
Steve is perfectly entitled to his views from a race driver point. My views are in in line with the customer, who purchase the cars. I note with interest that owner's on here also came to the same conclusion as my self on this car.
I think that the views themselves don't actually matter, it's the way in which they're asserted and argued. Unleashing the inner schoolboy does gets a response but after a while it's tiresome.berty37 said:
.in Sport mode I find the 3.0 still fairly lively but is the 4.2 different league?
I am not a bloke who is easily impressed with cars but OMG for a 2 ton plus car the performance is nothing short of staggering, really doubt there is another 4x4 SUV that can match it and still return 30 mpg , even the turbo is hardly much difference. TBH I was don't see much point in me keeping my 981s the 4.2 has all the real world power I will ever need and with the pano roof a nice airy feel. I thnk of it as a SUV on steroids .
mnk303 said:
berty37 said:
.in Sport mode I find the 3.0 still fairly lively but is the 4.2 different league?
I am not a bloke who is easily impressed with cars but OMG for a 2 ton plus car the performance is nothing short of staggering, really doubt there is another 4x4 SUV that can match it and still return 30 mpg , even the turbo is hardly much difference. TBH I was don't see much point in me keeping my 981s the 4.2 has all the real world power I will ever need and with the pano roof a nice airy feel. I thnk of it as a SUV on steroids .
I have had a few Cayenne turbos over the years, found the fuel range hard work, went on the 3.0d in 10 when the FL came out, had 2 of em, did over 60 miles, nothing to shout about, but the adaptive sports seats made it perfect for long EU trips, also found the 900 mile range a help.
Then in 12 got picked up on factory trip, I what I thought was a Cayenne Turbo, only thing was it was the 4.2, imv its 8-9, 10s the performance of a Turbo, but the range of the 3.0s,( immediately ordered one 1st in UK )well almost, the 30d used to do 33-36 around town, well over 40 on a run, the 4.2, 32-34, around town 38 on run. Big difference when the engine is run in at around 8k miles.
Get the new FL , 1st in UK on launch reg date, 15.10.14
Imv, there are a couple of must haves, the air sus, if you go 21"s, along with adaptive sports, pan roof, and power tail gate.
mnk303 said:
I am not a bloke who is easily impressed with cars but OMG for a 2 ton plus car the performance is nothing short of staggering, really doubt there is another 4x4 SUV that can match it and still return 30 mpg , even the turbo is hardly much difference. TBH I was don't see much point in me keeping my 981s the 4.2 has all the real world power I will ever need and with the pano roof a nice airy feel.
I thnk of it as a SUV on steroids .
What does your PCM mpg indicate around town and on a 70mph run? My V6d shows 28 and 38 respectively.I thnk of it as a SUV on steroids .
berty37 said:
Guys is there a lot of 'obvious' difference between the 3.0 and 4.2 cayenne diesels? I have the 3.0 and must say never really looked at the S at the time..I think it was around £12k base over the 3.0. I had the 957 GTS before that which was a monster car but with the misses ferrying around the little one on constant trips sadly fuel economy did become a factor when I got the new one...in Sport mode I find the 3.0 still fairly lively but is the 4.2 different league?
Had both, massive difference between the two, which is not suprising given the S has 130hp more power and loads more torque. Engine sounds great too, lovely V8 noise. Definately the one to have no question. Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff