Porsche 911 handling?

[redgriff500]

AnotherGareth said:

redgriff500 said:

I borrowed a 1986 911

Possibly the perfect driver's car, although you do need to know how to drive properly.

Yeah right.

[MrCooke]

redgriff500 said:

a 1996 BMW 328 and a 1991 Supercharged MX5.

You certainly can't blame a guy who has access to these exceptional motor cars for not wanting a 911...

[wildman0609]

DangerousMike said:

there is a brilliant video of someone driving this kind of 911 around spa here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ84Fa-AqXY

he is double-de-clutching, i know the advantages of this, but does anyone know if its essential in old 911's or does it just make it a bit smoother. I assume you don't need to do it when driving normally on the road.

[redgriff500]

MrCooke said:

redgriff500 said:

a 1996 BMW 328 and a 1991 Supercharged MX5.

You certainly can't blame a guy who has access to these exceptional motor cars for not wanting a 911...

It was over 10 years ago.

Buts as you'd know if you owned them....

Both are faster - check the power to weight.

I put the 328 against the 911 from a rolling start to eliminate the driver difference and the 328 pulled out a significant lead.

I'll give you a hint

MX5 1100kg with 200bhp

Now you fill in the 911 stats

Edited by redgriff500 on Monday 6th December 09:58

[nsm3]

Mine is 415 bhp at 1385 kgs - will that do?

[redgriff500]

nsm3 said:

Mine is 415 bhp at 1385 kgs - will that do?

Not if you READ THE THREAD

We were talking about old 911's and I was talking specifically about a standard 1986 model.

[MrCooke]

wildman0609 said:

he is double-de-clutching, i know the advantages of this, but does anyone know if its essential in old 911's or does it just make it a bit smoother. I assume you don't need to do it when driving normally on the road.

It's kinder and, if you're as good as him, possibly quicker too on the way down but no, not essential - most cars since the war have have sychromesh...

[MrCooke]

redgriff500 said:

Not if you READ THE THREAD

We were talking about old 911's and I was talking specifically about a standard 1986 model.

If it's reading the thread you're into, why have you quoted power to weight ratios on a handling thread?

But just for the sake of the discussion - a 1986 911 has 231bhp and weighs 1160kg.

[adycav]

redgriff500 said:

I put the 328 against the 911 from a rolling start to eliminate the driver difference and the 328 pulled out a significant lead.

Was this on a computer game too?

[marky911]

^^^^^^^^
This, plus...
An E36 328 has 190hp and weighs 1395kg.
And yes I've owned one.
And no it wasn't as quick as my old 3.2 911, which I owned at the same time.

You sure you didn't unwittingly borrow a Covin?

[RSGulp]

adycav said:

redgriff500 said:

I put the 328 against the 911 from a rolling start to eliminate the driver difference and the 328 pulled out a significant lead.

Was this on a computer game too?

Apparently it's not a game it's a sim.

[adycav]

RSGulp said:

adycav said:

redgriff500 said:

I put the 328 against the 911 from a rolling start to eliminate the driver difference and the 328 pulled out a significant lead.

Was this on a computer game too?

Apparently it's not a game it's a sim.

Like those Star Wars/Lord of the Rings figures that aren't toys, but "collectible models"...

[Steve Rance]

The dynamic of the 911 is basically the same whether it's an older car or a newer version. Specific performance will depend on Chasis hardware, tyres and set up. one of the main reasons for the lack of grip in the Spa clip was the relatively hard compound of the historic control tyre give very little grip hence the constant oversteer.

The subtleties will change but the basic principle of driving an old 911 is the same as diving a newer one.

[monthefish]

james_gt3rs said:

DangerousMike said:

there is a brilliant video of someone driving this kind of 911 around spa here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ84Fa-AqXY

That is just immense car control.

Looks like he is driving on Nankangs...

[christer]

BertBert said:

topless_mx5 said:

It's amazing that it goes sideways at every corner though, were early 911's really that difficult?

I think the fact that it goes sideways everywhere shows that it's not difficult.
Bert

haha

[Penguinracer]

There's some seriously skilled pedalling going on here & that high-speed oversteering moment at 2:49 is indeed chilling. I can see why someone who relishes the sideways action of rallying but doesn't fancy the risk & wear & tear of gravel motorsport would be attracted to the challenge of classic 911 motoring. But am I alone in thinking that this doesn't come across as a surgically sharp precision driving tool but looks more akin to helming a sailing vessel across a narrow channel in a wind over tide situation?

[The Wookie]

redgriff500 said:

AnotherGareth said:

redgriff500 said:

I borrowed a 1986 911

Possibly the perfect driver's car, although you do need to know how to drive properly.

Yeah right.

'Properly' is a bit of a polarising word, but 911's do require a pretty specific technique to get the most out of them.

If you drive it fast like a normal car they inspire very little confidence, road or track. Once you get used to loading it up in a certain way then the benefits of the layout make themselves obvious.

[MC Bodge]

Penguinracer said:

am I alone in thinking that this doesn't come across as a surgically sharp precision driving tool but looks more akin to helming a sailing vessel across a narrow channel in a wind over tide situation?

You're not alone. That's exactly what I was thinking. That Spa driving is incredible though.

I can understand the satisfaction of taming the beast, but a vastly over-powered VW Beetle isn't the ultimate driving machine

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 7th December 19:37

[MC Bodge]

The Wookie said:

Once you get used to loading it up in a certain way then the benefits of the layout make themselves obvious.

The benefits being so many that every other manufacturer has copied it....

[MC Bodge]

RSGulp said:

What? People are commenting on driving rear-engined 911s based on a computer game!

A PC game isn't a very realistic approximation, but as it is unlikely that I'll drive an old 911 in anger at any point in the future, I thought that my original post was fair enough.