Another 'popped' engine - just another statistic?
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Timeframes for rebuild - New Cams and fishy fingers in 6 working days from factory. (Dealer removed engine and returned as said faster that way),,OK so it took dealer 3 further weeks to re install but Balckpool were fast. (Perhaps they recognised the engine from 12 months and 4k miles previous on it's last visit for some of Captain Birds-eye's favourites.)
Good Luck
Good Luck
Sorry to hear your news Gary. I just got mine back on Sat. It went to the dealer at the beginning of May so don't bank on it being back in less than 2 months I'm afraid.
Mine was on a 2nd rebuild (within 20k) and was told that as the previous one was over 6 months ago that it was out of warranty. In the end they fleeced my warranty company for £2000 and 'swallowed' the balance of the bill (£1600). Trouble is I was still left with a bill for £3000 for taking the engine in and out, new cats, fluids etc.
I personally think that the poor dealers are on a hiding to nothing and by the factory asking for engines and not whole cars they get soemhting out of the situation. Assuming your whole car went directly to the factory it would be difficult for them to charge you for anything.
I'm not blaming the dealers as I feel that this is probably a process driven by the factory and, like us. they are somewhat subject the vagaries of the 'system'.
Having thought about it for a while I've come to the conclusion that the factory are prestty much a law unto themselves and you either play the game or you don't. I was determined that if I didn't get the result I wanted (and I haven't yet) then I would sue. Whilst there are no guarantees in the courts, I am pretty sure that I would have a pretty good chance of winning. I am also aware that I would not be the first to do this and, yes, he won!
Good luck.
Mine was on a 2nd rebuild (within 20k) and was told that as the previous one was over 6 months ago that it was out of warranty. In the end they fleeced my warranty company for £2000 and 'swallowed' the balance of the bill (£1600). Trouble is I was still left with a bill for £3000 for taking the engine in and out, new cats, fluids etc.
I personally think that the poor dealers are on a hiding to nothing and by the factory asking for engines and not whole cars they get soemhting out of the situation. Assuming your whole car went directly to the factory it would be difficult for them to charge you for anything.
I'm not blaming the dealers as I feel that this is probably a process driven by the factory and, like us. they are somewhat subject the vagaries of the 'system'.
Having thought about it for a while I've come to the conclusion that the factory are prestty much a law unto themselves and you either play the game or you don't. I was determined that if I didn't get the result I wanted (and I haven't yet) then I would sue. Whilst there are no guarantees in the courts, I am pretty sure that I would have a pretty good chance of winning. I am also aware that I would not be the first to do this and, yes, he won!
Good luck.
sixspeed said:
Gary F
.... All I hear is more trouble on the speed six, and I understand that they have just upped the power to 400bph. Me thinks they should look on the reliablity aspect first.
For the stats was yours a 3.6 or a 4.0 as the 4.0 seem to goes wrong more ofton...
...., there's talk that the new 400bhp model is down to a head redesign, which as well as offering a slight increase in power, has addressed a design flaw that was causing the engine rebuilds?
-andy-
My take on this redesigned head rumour - it's the same one that was going around two or more years ago. I heard there were some mods from the Cerbera days to prevent to valves becoming embedded in the head. In the early days of the Tuscan there was a rumour there was a mod to get better oil distribution at the top the engine - but this was flatly denied. Some dealers have said though that the top of some heads are different.
I've heard there is a different head on the 3.6 to get it to 400 bhp. Maybe there is a different head on the 4.0 to get it over 390bhp. I wouldn't say the reason is necessarily to fix any follower/cam problems rather just get more power out the engine.
Out of all the stuff I've heard the only consistent story seems to be a redesign and change of supplier of the followers themselves.
Hope these thoughts (somewhat speculative) helps.
Cheers,
Andy.
Damo - 3 grand to remove/replace the engine/fluids/ancilliaries. WTF?
I concentrated on reading up on things in here for a few months before I bought the car and thought long and hard about it. Still went ahead and was happy until things went wrong. Under warranty this time, but if it's only guaranteed for 6 months post a rebuild, that to me isn't really a viable proposition.
Perhaps the factory will act favourably for you - I hope so, but it seems you are having to push.
I don't feel guilty about posting about my problems, as this is exactly the sort of thing prospective owners want to be aware about before they consider buying. I found the info in here very useful - good and bad. Bought a newish one (June 2002, 7k miles as I knew all the engine probs I'd been reading about were sorted by then
)
I've got a year's warranty left, but to be honest I won't be doing the miles to really give the rebuild the acid test (limited to 3k per year).
Look forward to having her back anyway and will weigh up my experiences then. Hope the boys at the factory put some extra beef into the eng. internals. Lettuce know what transpires with yours.
My Cossie produced a reliable 305bhp from 2 litres for 7 years no problems, so we should be able to get 360bhp from a 4l. Course the Cossie engine had been in production for over 10 years.
Gary.
I concentrated on reading up on things in here for a few months before I bought the car and thought long and hard about it. Still went ahead and was happy until things went wrong. Under warranty this time, but if it's only guaranteed for 6 months post a rebuild, that to me isn't really a viable proposition.
Perhaps the factory will act favourably for you - I hope so, but it seems you are having to push.
I don't feel guilty about posting about my problems, as this is exactly the sort of thing prospective owners want to be aware about before they consider buying. I found the info in here very useful - good and bad. Bought a newish one (June 2002, 7k miles as I knew all the engine probs I'd been reading about were sorted by then
) I've got a year's warranty left, but to be honest I won't be doing the miles to really give the rebuild the acid test (limited to 3k per year).
Look forward to having her back anyway and will weigh up my experiences then. Hope the boys at the factory put some extra beef into the eng. internals. Lettuce know what transpires with yours.
My Cossie produced a reliable 305bhp from 2 litres for 7 years no problems, so we should be able to get 360bhp from a 4l. Course the Cossie engine had been in production for over 10 years.
Gary.
judging by mine they may well have sorted it. 2 factory rebuilds 1 at less than 6k and 1 at 25k.Car back both times. Both valve gear ( cam followers I was told but I didn't see engine stripped to verify this but no reason to doubt it) Now on about 45k. Had car from new and it was one of the early ones(April 00) Currently speccing replacement and yes its got to be another. Nothing else seems to put the same smile on my face. Anyway they tell me problems were due to faulty bought in components and suppliers now changed.
GaryF said:
My Cossie produced a reliable 305bhp from 2 litres for 7 years no problems, so we should be able to get 360bhp from a 4l. Course the Cossie engine had been in production for over 10 years.
I had one of the last Sierra Cossies from new & it was the most unreliable car I have ever had. I think that the tuners that took yours to 305BHP, must have also replaced all the bits that go wrong.
Now we just need someone to do that with the Speed 6
>> Edited by CraigAlsop on Wednesday 9th July 23:01
derestrictor said:
I think the AJP8 engines are much tougher, Mung: some pretty stellar mileages knocking around (saw one with 88k[!] recently)...
Yep DeR, some of them are getting pretty reasonable miles for a race engine. Tempted to return to TVR ownership? Just look at those prices!?! scary money, you could get a reasonable spec new mondeo, or you could have a TVR and a HUGE grin
Hmm, a Cerb and a breathed on 993 Turbo
Hi Craig - it was an Escort Cosworth I had. One of the very last off the production line at the start of 1996. Fantastically reliable steed. Tuscan of course is a step up the ladder. Seeing them both together on the day of the trade in showed there was no comparison really as far as looks go. The Tuscan has it of course.
The 'picnic table' was rather nice on the Escort though. Perhaps they could put one of those on the Tuscan S instead of that rather ugly looking one that's there at the mo. I jest a little of course, I'm just jealous really. However, the picnic table could come in useful for those sunny days when you aren't using the car. When it's minus an engine say It's all up if you can't laugh at yourself isn't it.
I mentioned Kirkistown track day photos earlier in this thread - here they are inc. one rather nice Tuscan:-
http://community.webshots.com/user/garyflanagan
CheeRS
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Gary.
The 'picnic table' was rather nice on the Escort though. Perhaps they could put one of those on the Tuscan S instead of that rather ugly looking one that's there at the mo. I jest a little of course, I'm just jealous really. However, the picnic table could come in useful for those sunny days when you aren't using the car. When it's minus an engine say
It's all up if you can't laugh at yourself isn't it. I mentioned Kirkistown track day photos earlier in this thread - here they are inc. one rather nice Tuscan:-
http://community.webshots.com/user/garyflanagan
CheeRS
, Gary.
Ulster,
Congrats on 45k miles with 'only' two rebuilbs. Looking forward to getting mine back soon as the weather has been rather kind over here recently (just for a change). Have a guy on an audio here who travelled in this morning in 25 degree heat. You lucky peeps over there in mainland GB!
Gary.
Congrats on 45k miles with 'only' two rebuilbs. Looking forward to getting mine back soon as the weather has been rather kind over here recently (just for a change). Have a guy on an audio here who travelled in this morning in 25 degree heat. You lucky peeps over there in mainland GB!
Gary.
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