What are the real stats on failed Tuscans
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worst car I ever owned by a very long way! Bought from new. From day one things going wrong...too many problems to list....continuous oil leaks particularly worrying. Sold it nine months late at almost half the cost. Peter Wheeler couldn't give a s**t about his customers. Now have a Porsche GT3 which is fab. Used every day. Done 31K in it including many trips abroad. A properly engineered car. Nothing gone wrong at all, (apart from just replacing clutch). Had Italian cars and bikes previously so was prepared for a few niggles, but as Tuscans close to 50K think it's time TVR started to consider some sort of quality control and perhaps look at thoroughly engineering their cars rather than using customers as guinea pigs for their R&D!!
Getting a little bit bored with this, TOG member for over three years, Tuscan owner from new,nearly three years, engine rebuids THREE, However, TVR Factory, have looked after me BIG TIME, eventually!! I do get rally annoyed when people slag off the S6 and the Tuscan, especially when they neither own a Tuscan or a TVR. To make a point, my three engine rebuilds have not cost me a penny, frustrating at the time, but a sound outcome. Most enjoyable, exciting car I have ever owned, residuals!! sod that, what do I care what it,s worth! I enjoy it!End of Rant
I agee with the above, i will admit the first tvr i had was unreliable and i only kept it 2 months, but i regreted that as i really missed it, i have had a range of performance cars BUT none of them have as much character as a tvr.
Porsche are luxurious, well built, resonably fast, but dull, yes they handle well, yes they are reliable but they really give you as much smile factor as a tvr. In the end porsche's, bmw's etc are nice cars if your not a real driver as they in the end have to many driving aids WHICH ARE AUTOMATICALLY ON when you start the car, which for me really p@@@ed me off when you had reach down to switch them off so you could have fun.
verdict, well to many original sports car manufactures have transfered there beasts into sheep as they try to to sell to the mass market and use their pedegree as an excuse.
These are my thoughts about the cars, as for reliability, just look at ferraris a few years back they were no better, but in the end they have become much more reliable. But on this point, how often do you see ferraris for sale with 30000miles on the clock?? not that often.
TVR's are in a different price range, yet they match the performance, so consider this in two ways, one they will get more reliable with time (which they are slowly) and two, this is a trully unique manufacterer which does not have the backing of big banks and fiat such as ferrari and considering is doing very well!
ps
tvr tuscan sp6 2000 (w)
was the 6th owner
no problems what so ever
had 6k, sold with 16k
tvr tuscan sp6 2001 (51)
4.5k when bought on 5.5k now
no problems,
Porsche are luxurious, well built, resonably fast, but dull, yes they handle well, yes they are reliable but they really give you as much smile factor as a tvr. In the end porsche's, bmw's etc are nice cars if your not a real driver as they in the end have to many driving aids WHICH ARE AUTOMATICALLY ON when you start the car, which for me really p@@@ed me off when you had reach down to switch them off so you could have fun.
verdict, well to many original sports car manufactures have transfered there beasts into sheep as they try to to sell to the mass market and use their pedegree as an excuse.
These are my thoughts about the cars, as for reliability, just look at ferraris a few years back they were no better, but in the end they have become much more reliable. But on this point, how often do you see ferraris for sale with 30000miles on the clock?? not that often.
TVR's are in a different price range, yet they match the performance, so consider this in two ways, one they will get more reliable with time (which they are slowly) and two, this is a trully unique manufacterer which does not have the backing of big banks and fiat such as ferrari and considering is doing very well!
ps
tvr tuscan sp6 2000 (w)
was the 6th owner
no problems what so ever
had 6k, sold with 16k
tvr tuscan sp6 2001 (51)
4.5k when bought on 5.5k now
no problems,
Pubman, just out of interest, how long was your car off the road with your three engine rebuilds. When the dealer said my engine needed to go up to Blackpool...no one could tell me when I could be booked in because they had so many other engine rebuilds in progress at the time. Eventually I was given a 6 week wait before the engine could be sent up and 2 weeks before it could be sent back. Pretty frustrating to say the the least after having spent £48K on the car and not being able to use it in the summer months! and Scouchier, whilst I accept that many of the Porsche variant are very soft compared to the raw excitement of TVRs, have you ever driven a GT3? (no driver aids, apart from ABS)....having owned a tuscan I would say the GT3 is equally as exciting. The turbo is also pretty exciting too. I accept that Porsches are more expensive, (though running costs are similar to TVR's especially when you factor in almost zero niggling faults and no engine rebuilds), but having had experience of both and being a petrol head like all of us, I would like to point out that no matter how gorgeous the Tuscan is, (and I was seduced by its looks especially the chamelion paint scheme! and the sound and the sheer exciting rawness), you still have to live with a car day to day. From the posts here and seeing the amount of other Tuscans being repaired at the dealers whenever I was there, (and I was there a lot!!!), I don't believe my bad experience with this model was a one off. I genuinely wish TVR could sort out the quality control and engineering of their cars and maybe once they start losing customers on mass they will have a rethink. The concept and rationale behind the products are unarguable and offer a unique driving experience, but in this day and age, at this price level, regular engine rebuilds are quite unacceptable. To argue this is acceptable because of what the car offers as a driving machine is simply crazy! or perhaps I am just getting old and boring to want to be able to get into an exciting car and expect it to get from A to B without breaking. Now where did I leave my pipe and slippers.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
in reply, well i do use mine as a day to day car, my last tuscan did 10k miles in 6 months with no problem.
I got rid of it because i was doing even more miles for a while and got a new M3, well what good build i got there, the car when back to bmw 5 yes 5 times in less than two months due to problems and things falling off! they ended up replacing it only thanks to the help of a magasine who was going to publish a article on the situation.
i believe a lot of engine problems can be caused by not warming it up properly, keeping it under 2000rpm till the oil is at 60degc, i know its boring to wait but so far so good for me (crossed fingers and everything else i can cross!!). well for the little niggles, it keeps me occupied on the week end!! But one point on the porsche, massed produced cars..........lack of character.
I got rid of it because i was doing even more miles for a while and got a new M3, well what good build i got there, the car when back to bmw 5 yes 5 times in less than two months due to problems and things falling off! they ended up replacing it only thanks to the help of a magasine who was going to publish a article on the situation.
i believe a lot of engine problems can be caused by not warming it up properly, keeping it under 2000rpm till the oil is at 60degc, i know its boring to wait but so far so good for me (crossed fingers and everything else i can cross!!). well for the little niggles, it keeps me occupied on the week end!! But one point on the porsche, massed produced cars..........lack of character.
i know this is off the thread etc...but Scrouchier I must correct you....GT3 not mass produced....specialist suspension and engine not found on standard Porche stronger shell, strengtened gear box, bigger brakes/tyres....made for racing, quite successful on the race track etc..., only a few hundred of them imported to uk...but not to worry, don't let facts get in the way of prejudice.
nick644 said:
Pubman, just out of interest, how long was your car off the road with your three engine rebuilds. In total, I suppose 20 weeks but, I have probably a speedsix which is quicker than most, thanks to the factory!!Defenite issue with customer service,but,I have come to accept it ,rightly or wrongly! Have a golf day tomorrow, can,t wait to turn up in the Car Park in front of all the stuck upknobs!!, off to bed. When the dealer said my engine needed to go up to Blackpool...no one could tell me when I could be booked in because they had so many other engine rebuilds in progress at the time. Eventually I was given a 6 week wait before the engine could be sent up and 2 weeks before it could be sent back. Pretty frustrating to say the the least after having spent £48K on the car and not being able to use it in the summer months! and Scouchier, whilst I accept that many of the Porsche variant are very soft compared to the raw excitement of TVRs, have you ever driven a GT3? (no driver aids, apart from ABS)....having owned a tuscan I would say the GT3 is equally as exciting. The turbo is also pretty exciting too. I accept that Porsches are more expensive, (though running costs are similar to TVR's especially when you factor in almost zero niggling faults and no engine rebuilds), but having had experience of both and being a petrol head like all of us, I would like to point out that no matter how gorgeous the Tuscan is, (and I was seduced by its looks especially the chamelion paint scheme! and the sound and the sheer exciting rawness), you still have to live with a car day to day. From the posts here and seeing the amount of other Tuscans being repaired at the dealers whenever I was there, (and I was there a lot!!!), I don't believe my bad experience with this model was a one off. I genuinely wish TVR could sort out the quality control and engineering of their cars and maybe once they start losing customers on mass they will have a rethink. The concept and rationale behind the products are unarguable and offer a unique driving experience, but in this day and age, at this price level, regular engine rebuilds are quite unacceptable. To argue this is acceptable because of what the car offers as a driving machine is simply crazy! or perhaps I am just getting old and boring to want to be able to get into an exciting car and expect it to get from A to B without breaking. Now where did I leave my pipe and slippers.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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