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wooly350i
Original Poster
1,151 posts
77 months
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Keep spreading the word to people you meet every day,ya never know it might get there.
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tim-b
1,005 posts
79 months
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Maximum Bobs said: Shut up do, It was done back in the 80s .. Anyway, I love to see this gentleman's windowsills in one years time. Maybe a 1mm of s  t again? Maybe from the five air ports that so round him? Maybe the offices constantly keeping the air conditioning going? Go on then, poets a picture now of your windowsill, & one in a years time, then we can see the difference. Personally I've been around Diesels all my life & guess what? I aint died. My Mum was a land girl while Hitler was bombing London, & guess what? she didn't die either. You moany pisssy people drive me mad.. Here's a tip, If you don't like it, move. That reads like it was cut & pasted from google translate....but from which language?! 
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griffdude
732 posts
117 months
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Maximum Bobs
3,762 posts
87 months
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tim-b said: That reads like it was cut & pasted from google translate....but from which language?! FFS. I was hoping this thread would go away & die, but no, it just keeps coming back to haunt me. I was pissed, OK? Silly me.
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wooly350i
Original Poster
1,151 posts
77 months
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wooly350i
Original Poster
1,151 posts
77 months
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Just keeping it up on the agenda
16240 today,still got library's and canibis in front but reeling em in peeps.
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billzeebub
2,359 posts
68 months
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signed, it could only help keep interesting older cars on the road
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Pingman
348 posts
70 months
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Maximum Bobs said: nightflight said: Put the "road tax" on the fuel price, that's the simplest way, and replace the tax disc with proof of insurance. Two birds, one stone! Shut up do, It was done back in the 80s .. Anyway, I love to see this gentleman's windowsills in one years time. Maybe a 1mm of s t again? Maybe from the five air ports that so round him? Maybe the offices constantly keeping the air conditioning going? Go on then, poets a picture now of your windowsill, & one in a years time, then we can see the difference. Personally I've been around Diesels all my life & guess what? I aint died. My Mum was a land girl while Hitler was bombing London, & guess what? she didn't die either. You moany pisssy people drive me mad.. Here's a tip, If you don't like it, move. What the? Signed too 
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cosworth330
264 posts
106 months
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Signed.
Only another 83,000 sigs to go !!!!!!!!
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Cotty
24,930 posts
153 months
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Kawasicki
1,519 posts
104 months
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wooly350i
Original Poster
1,151 posts
77 months
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Keep on plugging away,nearly on the front page now. Cannabis and engineer title are still slightly more tugging at peoples hearts,just.! Can't see it reaching 100000 by August with our lethargic British public!
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johnpeat
3,356 posts
134 months
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In fairness, libraries and having some common sense about 'mmm drugs mkay' are more important topics The whole issue of road tax exemption seems illogical to me - either everyone should pay it (as it is or via other means) or no-one. As someone said, you own a stack of cars you pay many times over - but you can't drive more than one at once!! It makes no sense to me to have a fee which has no logical purpose - either it's a "cost of registration" or a "licence to use the public roads" or even (as in some countries) third-party-only insurance - but as it is, UK 'road tax' makes no sense at all...
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killingjoker
375 posts
62 months
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Signed.
...why would any true car enthusiast not sign it? weird.
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MG CHRIS
2,691 posts
36 months
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Can't this thread ever go away. Why would the government introduce this again they will lose money and it wouldn't look good for the green image that britian wants to portray. I have 1 car that would be tax exempt if the rolling 30 year no tax would come back but it only cost me £118 hardly saving me a lot of money. Don't you think there are better things the government could be doing like getting lazy workless f kers of benefits that have been on it for years, or reduceing ourer vast over spending that's been happening for years?
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Balmoral
29,612 posts
117 months
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killingjoker said: ...why would any true car enthusiast not sign it? weird. Well, I'm a car enthusiast, and I think it's an appalling idea, I think it's a shameful and embarrassing concession as it is, and should actually be removed. In times of cuts and austerity, benefits are supposed to be for those who are struggling, not for hobby/weekend cars. If you choose to run a classic, then take responsibility for the cost of running it too. There are folks out there who can barely afford six months tax at a time for their one and only car, let alone insurance and fuel. Yet we want free tax for our toys, paid for by everyone else? Shame on us! Edited for typos and to add: And that's without even touching on all the bureaucratic threats that we're open to, from Europe and from our own government, rules that would be particularly easy to enforce and control on cars that are readily identified under an 'Historic' tax exempt class, rather than a regular 'PLG'. If we're paying our fair wack, Tax/MOT/Ins/fuel duty etc, it's going to be harder for them to limit our freedoms with our old cars. So, apart from financial self interest, someone tell me why it's a good idea?
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killingjoker
375 posts
62 months
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As i said... why would any car enthusiast not sign this?
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MG CHRIS
2,691 posts
36 months
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killingjoker said: As i said... why would any car enthusiast not sign this? Because im only paying 118 quid for 6 months tax why should i expect to not pay for road tax when i use the roads. The government got much better things to worry about than car enthusiast.
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Balmoral
29,612 posts
117 months
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killingjoker said: why would any car enthusiast not sign this? Concessions = Controls. Personally, I'd like the government, whatever colour it is, to f k off and leave us alone, without interference. Should we really be selling the Classic car movement down the river for a bit of free road tax? The Association of Car Enthusiasts said: "In general our understanding is that there are situations such as in France where it is very difficult to register a Historic vehicle and general use is restricted to an area equivalent to a county. In Austria you are limited to the amount of days a year it can be used and in Germany it is necessary to notify, in advance where and when you intend using your vehicle (depending in which particular class your vehicle is registered)". http://www.fiva.org/EN/Torino/CharterTorino.htmlAnd from the numerous other threads on this subject... Rich G said: restoman said: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How can you all be so blind? DO NOT SIGN THIS PETITION !!!!
There is very likely to be a downside to tax exemption on cars over 30 years old on a rolling basis and that will be restricted use of those cars - it's a very real possibility and has been talked about here and elsewhere in Europe.
Think about it: these are supposedly environmentally friendly times - old cars are not seen by the authorities as environmentally friendly - we are taxed here there and everywhere in the name of the environment. Do you really think the Governments of this world will give you a tax break against that background on what they see as smelly, dirty and polluting old cars without there being a hidden agenda?
<walks off shaking head in despair> ^^^^^^ THIS – ABSOLUTELY THIS!!!!!! Have a read of the following – especially if your classic has been tuned-up or modified in any way or even just if it gets daily use… http://www.the-ace.org.uk/http://www.the-ace.org.uk/petition-letter-against-...Rich varsas said: My worry, and I actually don't think it's the intention of what FIVA are saying, I actually do support what they are trying to achieve, is that this will be used as the definition of a historic car. I don't want that to happen, so I can't support any one who wants to change how a historic car is defined in case the FIVA definition is used instead. Just using the FIVA definition for saying what is/is not a historic vehicle would be bad enough, but what if they then decide to impose restrictions on those cars? I can imagines a system where, say, any car over 25 years can apply to become historic (if it's original etc etc), but can only be driven for 30 days of the year, or you are taxed on it's value or something silly.
The potential benefits for changing things seems pretty small (is £200 a year really a lot on top of what else you pay to run a classic?) but it could cause all kinds of problems. I also happen to think the current system is fair, why shouldn't owners have to pay road tax? I think we should be thankful pre '73 cars are exempt and keep our heads down. Anyway, it's not going to happen, because the petitions will not get enough signatures, and the country is broke, there's no chance of HMG losing £30 million a year on VED. What I would like to see though, which has been conspicuous by its absence, is any proper reasons put forward as to why it's a good idea? Let's be having them.
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16v stretch
337 posts
26 months
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Didn't it use to be 25 years old for the exemption... My car is 22 years old at the end of march.
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