RE: Biofuel timebomb
Discussion
paulmon said:
Not just older cars that this applies to. A mate took a 4 or 5 year old Mondeo in the other day that woulld not start. He suspected the injectors so sent them away to be tested. He suspicions where correct they were shagged. He as told its becoming more of a problem because supermarkets in particular use substandard fuel and that one particular chains fuel was very close to being waste. Put it this was i now have more reasons not to buy my diesel from them. The reduction in oil content apparently screws the injectors up.
He replaced the injectors and the car started but it was throwing out tons of black smoke so something else had failed as well.
His advice was don't use supermarket diesel.
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Thats interesting as it says, all fords apart from one are not affected, maybe your mates was that one type.He replaced the injectors and the car started but it was throwing out tons of black smoke so something else had failed as well.
His advice was don't use supermarket diesel.
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I hope so as I want to keep the Noble for a few more years
Whilst i dislike the EU as much as the next man, we are still part of G8 or G10 whatever it is now, that also makes these guidelines!
However, still cant get my head around the concept of hybrids when the cost to manufacture and most likely dispose (batteries) will have more impact than a car built 10 - 15 years ago and i still think it escapes most (or ignored) that the electricity used still has to be produced causing Co2.
Electric, bio etc is still not the way forward, hydrogen is the future it my eyes!
However, still cant get my head around the concept of hybrids when the cost to manufacture and most likely dispose (batteries) will have more impact than a car built 10 - 15 years ago and i still think it escapes most (or ignored) that the electricity used still has to be produced causing Co2.
Electric, bio etc is still not the way forward, hydrogen is the future it my eyes!
Anyone know about the cars made by those companies that have gone bust like old rovers? Or TVR's? How are we suposed to find out?
Like the way the EU takles the climate, I know what will save the planet a new biofuel that will cause a lot of people to buy new cars....I bet the making of those new cars is a hell of a lot more harmful than the saving in the biofuel!
Like the way the EU takles the climate, I know what will save the planet a new biofuel that will cause a lot of people to buy new cars....I bet the making of those new cars is a hell of a lot more harmful than the saving in the biofuel!
Agent Orange said:
Tony?!?!
Blast from the past. Ha small world.[/thumb]
Yes, still Tony, although the M5's have gone (costing too much in maintenance when you do 30k miles a year), but the Z4MC is a worthy replacement (but still kicking myself for not buying the e46 CSL when I had the chance & cash).Blast from the past. Ha small world.[/thumb]
Still doing the trackdays, although not as many as I used to, but sticking to Oulton or Nürburgring rather than airfields & tracks all over Europe, to keep the costs down a little.
I am going to be controversial here.
I love fast cars as much as the next PHer. I share the view that older cars are a lot more fun than their modern counterparts. I am not too enamoured with us being regularly dictated too by the European legislation. I am not particularly green and am generally suspicious of so called 'green initiatives'. I have removed the DPF on my car and had it remapped, thus raising my Co2 output in return for more go.
However, Shirley raising the bio content of fuels to make better use of current fossil fuel resources and make them last longer is a good thing?
Most modern cars are made to cope with this. Apart from a tiny hardcore who run classics or older cars, most adults replace their cars every few years, buying new, or nearly new cars.
Oil is a finite and dwindling resource. Older cars are generally more thirsty than their modern counterparts.
We gotta move with the times and think of future generations too. Anything that allows us to still enjoy our passions whilst being more resourceful
has to be good surely?
And now: the backlash.
I love fast cars as much as the next PHer. I share the view that older cars are a lot more fun than their modern counterparts. I am not too enamoured with us being regularly dictated too by the European legislation. I am not particularly green and am generally suspicious of so called 'green initiatives'. I have removed the DPF on my car and had it remapped, thus raising my Co2 output in return for more go.
However, Shirley raising the bio content of fuels to make better use of current fossil fuel resources and make them last longer is a good thing?
Most modern cars are made to cope with this. Apart from a tiny hardcore who run classics or older cars, most adults replace their cars every few years, buying new, or nearly new cars.
Oil is a finite and dwindling resource. Older cars are generally more thirsty than their modern counterparts.
We gotta move with the times and think of future generations too. Anything that allows us to still enjoy our passions whilst being more resourceful
has to be good surely?
And now: the backlash.
JudgeMental said:
Well, my first thought to this was f
k you EU, fk you and the horse you rode in on.But looking at that list - My Celica GTFOUR is presumably under the "Toyota - All models except above" so ok on E10 and the 540 is post 1980 so they are both ok. The Chevete still needs leaded fuel and the Dakota....well a Mopar V8 would probably run on dog sh*t if it had to - so I think I am in the clear.
Still think the EU are scum though.
Alfa159Ti said:
I am going to be controversial here.
I love fast cars as much as the next PHer. I share the view that older cars are a lot more fun than their modern counterparts. I am not too enamoured with us being regularly dictated too by the European legislation. I am not particularly green and am generally suspicious of so called 'green initiatives'. I have removed the DPF on my car and had it remapped, thus raising my Co2 output in return for more go.
However, Shirley raising the bio content of fuels to make better use of current fossil fuel resources and make them last longer is a good thing?
Most modern cars are made to cope with this. Apart from a tiny hardcore who run classics or older cars, most adults replace their cars every few years, buying new, or nearly new cars.
Oil is a finite and dwindling resource. Older cars are generally more thirsty than their modern counterparts.
We gotta move with the times and think of future generations too. Anything that allows us to still enjoy our passions whilst being more resourceful
has to be good surely?
And now: the backlash.
I totally agree with what you’re saying, 99% of driver's put in the cheapest fuel possible to get them from A>B.I love fast cars as much as the next PHer. I share the view that older cars are a lot more fun than their modern counterparts. I am not too enamoured with us being regularly dictated too by the European legislation. I am not particularly green and am generally suspicious of so called 'green initiatives'. I have removed the DPF on my car and had it remapped, thus raising my Co2 output in return for more go.
However, Shirley raising the bio content of fuels to make better use of current fossil fuel resources and make them last longer is a good thing?
Most modern cars are made to cope with this. Apart from a tiny hardcore who run classics or older cars, most adults replace their cars every few years, buying new, or nearly new cars.
Oil is a finite and dwindling resource. Older cars are generally more thirsty than their modern counterparts.
We gotta move with the times and think of future generations too. Anything that allows us to still enjoy our passions whilst being more resourceful
has to be good surely?
And now: the backlash.
As long as there are fuel's that can be put in the older car's without substantial cost implications for the owners, then I’m all for its as it will leave more crude in the years to come for those of us who want the pure substance for our specialist car's.
Alfa159Ti said:
Most modern cars are made to cope with this. Apart from a tiny hardcore who run classics or older cars, most adults replace their cars every few years, buying new, or nearly new cars.
Oil is a finite and dwindling resource. Older cars are generally more thirsty than their modern counterparts.
We gotta move with the times and think of future generations too. Anything that allows us to still enjoy our passions whilst being more resourceful
has to be good surely?
And now: the backlash.
There have been some really interesting responses on this thread. I can't agree with this one though. Oil is a finite and dwindling resource. Older cars are generally more thirsty than their modern counterparts.
We gotta move with the times and think of future generations too. Anything that allows us to still enjoy our passions whilst being more resourceful
has to be good surely?
And now: the backlash.
Firstly replacing your car every 2 years would create an industrial use of fossil fuels and materials that would far outstrip anything a classic may use on the road.
Secondly changes made meeting the latest euro requirement for diesels actually increases the fuel consumption at motorway speeds. Your Alfa 1.9 would now struggle to better 45mpg on a motorway run where a mk4 1.9 golf of similar weight and luxury would have done 60mpg.
Edited by Niffty951 on Tuesday 20th December 13:01
Only one post so far regarding the Elephant in the room.
MPG loss using E85
"research and customer's experience has shown a MPG loss of 2-20%, with about 12% being the average."
"Keep in mind that your car will have a longer engine life from running on E85 and you will also see an increase in power of approximately 5%."
So Whos betting that e85 and other ethanol altered fuels are priced identically to our current fuel prices?
So the government force our MPG down which means we use more fuel and have to pay more fuel tax.
That plus the obvious older car issue which means we will have to pay for changes or a newer car.
Great for economic stimulation, but certainly doesnt sound like the MP's are looking after their demographic.
Wizardskills said:
Humm, i guess this will be quite a serious issue for my '67 GT6 
I wouldn't worry. There are so few parts and access is so easy to do the work yourself that when parts do fail it will be nearly cost free to keep it going/upgrade to different rubber/gasket grades etc (or even not bother and replace periodically).I think it will create far more of a problem for more complex cars where changing the fuel system, injectors, gaskets etc will be a big/costly job.
)bakerjuk said:
Only one post so far regarding the Elephant in the room.
MPG loss using E85
"research and customer's experience has shown a MPG loss of 2-20%, with about 12% being the average."
"Keep in mind that your car will have a longer engine life from running on E85 and you will also see an increase in power of approximately 5%."
Superb - let's all switch to greener fuels. That actually means we have to consume MORE!MPG loss using E85
"research and customer's experience has shown a MPG loss of 2-20%, with about 12% being the average."
"Keep in mind that your car will have a longer engine life from running on E85 and you will also see an increase in power of approximately 5%."
Also, it seems a little silly obsessing about 5 or 10% bio components, when the inevitable massive increase in demand from India and China for petrol is going to be a far far bigger problem.
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