RE: Biofuel timebomb
Discussion
keith2.2 said:
It says so in the article 
Higher ethanol content of bio-fuel is corrosive to certain alloys and polymers used for tubing and seals etc in the fuel system.
...so worst case scenario you would have to replace all the tubing and pipes then? The engine, tank, etc would not be affected?Higher ethanol content of bio-fuel is corrosive to certain alloys and polymers used for tubing and seals etc in the fuel system.
peteA said:
...so worst case scenario you would have to replace all the tubing and pipes then? The engine, tank, etc would not be affected?
Possibly injectors too, so you could be looking at over £1000 to replace the lot. Which is a lot of money on a 7 year old Mondeo worth about £1500.I assume for some cars it'll even mean valves, cylinder heads, etc. are a concern, so you could be looking at bill of more than the car is worth.
peteA said:
...so worst case scenario you would have to replace all the tubing and pipes then? The engine, tank, etc would not be affected?
In some cases, yes. In others, not so much. It will vary from engine to engine with regards to which components are threatened. It's not as straight forward as sulphur/nikasil.For more interesting cars, I expect people will be prepared to pay to have them converted but think of all the millons of perfectly servicable, newer, everyday cars that are going to be effectively written off.
What a load of crock!?!?!
Why not save the umpteen thousand hectares of land being used to produce the enthanol to be mixed with fuel and help reduce my bill for a loaf of bread by growing wheats (or feed the starving around the world if your into that).
It's just another EU directive to get older, higher polluting cars that don't comply with the EU5 regs off the road so we can keep up our "Green" credentials.
Rant over.... anyone have any idea how this would affect an E46 M3?
Why not save the umpteen thousand hectares of land being used to produce the enthanol to be mixed with fuel and help reduce my bill for a loaf of bread by growing wheats (or feed the starving around the world if your into that).
It's just another EU directive to get older, higher polluting cars that don't comply with the EU5 regs off the road so we can keep up our "Green" credentials.
Rant over.... anyone have any idea how this would affect an E46 M3?
great...
so now, along with the death of decent new cars, via hybrid nonsense (waits for the flaming), small capacity turbo'd motors instead of proper engines (waits for more flames), and stop-start, self-parking, grill-closing focuses, now old cars (and not even actually-old) are going to be killed off too!
any VW-group car up to 2006 might become difficult to find fuel for over the next few years?!?!?!? WTF? how can they get away with that?
...runs off to the classifieds to buy a Monaro quick-fast, before anything remotely fun is completely outlawed!
and seeing as this is all thanks to good-old EU regs...
DIE EUROPE DIE! IN A BIG BALL OF CO2-PRODUCING FLAMES!!!!!!
(waits for some extra flaming...)
so now, along with the death of decent new cars, via hybrid nonsense (waits for the flaming), small capacity turbo'd motors instead of proper engines (waits for more flames), and stop-start, self-parking, grill-closing focuses, now old cars (and not even actually-old) are going to be killed off too!
any VW-group car up to 2006 might become difficult to find fuel for over the next few years?!?!?!? WTF? how can they get away with that?
...runs off to the classifieds to buy a Monaro quick-fast, before anything remotely fun is completely outlawed!
and seeing as this is all thanks to good-old EU regs...
DIE EUROPE DIE! IN A BIG BALL OF CO2-PRODUCING FLAMES!!!!!!
(waits for some extra flaming...)
Edited by Pierscoe1 on Tuesday 20th December 08:43
Cactussed said:
Can someone explain what the issue is and why please?
A BP insider has likened the change to what happened when we swapped from leaded fuel to unleaded. And the reason only newer cars can run on E10 is because the higher ethanol content from has a corrosive effect on the seals and some alloy components in the fuel system. Modern engines have been built to withstand this.In short: both your cars are f
ked.I'll do you a favour and buy the 'pina off you for £500. I'm being generous.
Busy replacing suspension components as stupid government cant sort out the pot holes in the road surface, getting killed by the cost of fuel and now that fuel is going to eat my engine as its greener for me to use 10% bio and throw out half of my engine than run normal fuel and keep a car on the road. Why dont they sort out all the cars stuck in traffic idling away for hours that would be much greener and make people happier, though would involve actual work i suppose.
Interesting reading here
http://www.iema.net/news/envnews?aid=18087
Seems some biofuels aren't as friendly as everyone thinks.
http://www.iema.net/news/envnews?aid=18087
Seems some biofuels aren't as friendly as everyone thinks.
Hugo a Gogo said:
they've had this bullst here in Germany for a year or so, everyone has to buy Super at 10 or 15 cents a litre more
completely blind pseudo-eco crap
Would be nice if our fuel was even in line with the offerings in the rest of Western Europe, instead of the cheap (Expensive) 95 Ron crap that they sell here in the UK.t here in Germany for a year or so, everyone has to buy Super at 10 or 15 cents a litre morecompletely blind pseudo-eco crap
If its such a problem to old engines I dont see why an engine couldn’t be upgraded to run this new fuel. Buy new seals that are up to scratch and surely some type of coating could be applied to the vulnerable parts of the engine. A big job im sure but to save the classic cars on Britain’s roads its gotta be worth a few quid right? Im SURE somewhere someone will find a way of getting round this. Lets face it theres plenty of driven people out there! (Terrible joke I know)
JudgeMental said:
Good job there aren't many people in the EU with Japanese motorcycles.......JudgeMental said:
We've had it here for a while in Australia, in fact I paid A$1.39 per litre (£0.89) just today to fill my LR D3 with it. Normal 95octane and 98octane is available alongside at $1.47 & $1.56 (£0.94 & £0.99) respectively.
It's not such a big deal at the moment with no plans to phase out 95/98 in the same way Leaded was.
Sorry, editted to say I get a 3 cents discount over standard pump prices so add that back in to the above
robm3 said:
JudgeMental said:
We've had it here for a while in Australia, in fact I paid A$1.39 per litre (£0.89) just today to fill my LR D3 with it. Normal 95octane and 98octane is available alongside at $1.47 & $1.56 (£0.94 & £0.99) respectively.
It's not such a big deal at the moment with no plans to phase out 95/98 in the same way Leaded was.
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