RE: Biofuel timebomb
Discussion
danhar707 said:
For months I had running problems with my '83 mk1 golf gti. Turned out to be only when running a certain M-brand supermarket's petrol. The main man at a local rolling road told me it was due to this supermarket switching to higher levels of bio content.
The certain supermarket mentioned tends to have cheaper fuel than anywhere else. This explains a lot 
My car handbook specifically states I cannot run the car on fuel with over 5% biofuel content, and additives should never be added to the fuel tank. This is on a 08 plated car
StottyZr said:
danhar707 said:
For months I had running problems with my '83 mk1 golf gti. Turned out to be only when running a certain M-brand supermarket's petrol. The main man at a local rolling road told me it was due to this supermarket switching to higher levels of bio content.
The certain supermarket mentioned tends to have cheaper fuel than anywhere else. This explains a lot My car handbook specifically states I cannot run the car on fuel with over 5% biofuel content, and additives should never be added to the fuel tank. This is on a 08 plated car
Raize said:
So what's the problem with this biofuel? Is it the kind of problem you can sort just by changing the timing to suit the RON or something more serious?
No it's not a Ron issue. It causes deterioration of parts of the fuel supply system in older cars, and by that I mean cars as young as 10 years old. It's not a simple subject, you need to read about the issues it causes to fuel tanks, fuel injectors, fuel pumps etc. etc. Art0ir said:
Spiffing idea, run everything on agricultural biofuel and push food prices higher.
The exact same people who have been demanding that cars run on biofuel will be the exact same people who demand it is stopped as it is causing third world starvation. It's always these same people. But we are the idiots for empowering them to forever cost us more and more money while changing nothing.
Caractacus said:
Will a '73 RS drop in value? Probably not.
I think they will drop in price. Presently the market for these is for collectors and those who wish to enjoy them on the roads as intended. Yet the only market which will remain for them will be inside museums. It would be a daft chunk of change to pay for a static ornament. So the demand will fall. I'd say only cars which are seen as pure art would remain unaffected. Such as the £10m Ferrari's with race history etc. k-ink said:
I think they will drop in price. Presently the market for these is for collectors and those who wish to enjoy them on the roads as intended. Yet the only market which will remain for them will be inside museums. It would be a daft chunk of change to pay for a static ornament. So the demand will fall. I'd say only cars which are seen as pure art would remain unaffected. Such as the £10m Ferrari's with race history etc.
I disagree. I reckon the 73 RS will continue to rise as it is THE 911. In fact, I will extend that to all pre-impact bumper cars. And then in 5 to 10 years that will be ALL air cooled cars.There are lots of collectors chasing too few cars, especially from the east.
MTR
RichB said:
BP Ultimate... I give them my support while ever they sat they have zero ethanol congtent.
Don't forget Esso Super Unleaded has no Ethanol, apart from the south west again!Really must be that Cider?
Shell Vpower has Ethanol in it all over the Country.
Always wondered what "Developed with Ferrari" meant?
When it changed from Optimax I suspect they added the Ethanol???
RichB said:
Jaged said:
Don't forget Esso Super Unleaded has no Ethanol,
Didn't know thatI read about it on the TVRCC site.
They contacted all the Petrol supplies and asked about Ethanol.
Shell NEVER replied!!
I think Texaco and Total also sell Super Unleaded in a lot of areas without Ethanol.
ALL Supermarket fuel has it in, perhaps why so any say it is not good for their cars??
That survey also had a lot of information from manufacturers stating if their cars can run on E5.
ALL 95 Unleaded is E5.
I've been using Esso SU ever since, although my S-Type can apparently run on Ethanol fuel, it "feels" less responsive so it get SU as well.
As though I didn’t need another reason to hate the EU, I think if a carboxylic acid could be mass manufactured cheaply enough then it could be used as an effective additive, mixing the two would create an ester, which apart from smelling strongly I don’t see harming injectors, in fact, the result would probably be more dense leading to a higher energy output then ethanol. Replacing petrol is not hard, we just need highly volatile (in the chemistry sense) flammable liquid, organic molecules really fit the bill here, and there are an abundance to choose from.
If we could get some serious nuclear power plants going with a more reliable fuel sources such as thorium we could easily start synthesizing petrol alternatives from CO2 and H2O without resorting to ethanol.
If we could get some serious nuclear power plants going with a more reliable fuel sources such as thorium we could easily start synthesizing petrol alternatives from CO2 and H2O without resorting to ethanol.
redgriff500 said:
Growing fuel instead of food.
Scrapping perfectly usable cars to make new ones - that are more fuel efficient BUT the manufacturing of them uses more resources than the older cars inefficiency does.
This exactly! - sums up my feelings about 'eco' issues - there is never a response from the powers that be and it genuinely makes me sad. Scrapping perfectly usable cars to make new ones - that are more fuel efficient BUT the manufacturing of them uses more resources than the older cars inefficiency does.
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