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KMB
97 posts
92 months
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Clear case of poor data, one value does not make a trend. Especially when it does not account against a percentage of miles driven/cars on the road/fuel used/people in the country etc etc (pick suitable divisors).
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bigdog3
757 posts
49 months
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boxsey said: Give them a bit more time and they'll manage to link the small increase in road deaths to climate change.....and then have even more reason to increase fuel duty.  Hey this justification is easy. Cars emit CO2 which upsets the climate and causes all this summertime rain. This rain makes the roads wet, reducing adhesion leading to more accidents and increasing road deaths. So the bad weather is the government's fault and doubling fuel duty will make roads safer ... 
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ArnieVXR
1,040 posts
52 months
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The sad fact is that speed kills...
If we travelled at a steady zero mph (or even kph), the only deaths that would occur would be due to boredom.
Was wondering if the increase was due to us all being wealthy enough to outsource the driving to people from countries with lower driving standards?
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moanthebairns
4,268 posts
67 months
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ROAD DEATHS IN 2010-11 Car occupants: 883 (up 6%) Pedestrians: 453 (up 12%) Motorcyclists: 362 (down 10%) Cyclists: 107 (down 4%) Glad I took the motorbike to work today 
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Boydie88
846 posts
18 months
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"The largest increase is among pedestrians, where the number of deaths rose by 12% to 453" BBC
So, pedestrian deaths have increased by from 404 to 453 - so 49 of the 51 extra deaths.
Reducing the 60 zones to 40 will do next to nothing to this stat.
I'd be interested to know how many of the pedestrian deaths involved modern, quiet cars.
Big loud V8 engines for all and pedestrians will think twice about playing chicken.
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hairykrishna
8,976 posts
72 months
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This is astonishingly s  t. The people who wrote this report obviously have little to no grasp of statistics and we pay them to analyse this stuff? News stories don't normally make me this angry!
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Mr Whippy
17,898 posts
110 months
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Ubernoober said: Trouble is, this "upsurge" in road deaths will simply add fire to the calls to lower the speed limits on so called 'dangerous' country roads.
Already there is a move to reduce speed limits to 40mph - this will just add to it.
Yes, better education, better standards, less stupidity, more consideration would reduce accidents but what chance is there of any of that? It'll never happen. Either adding in the 40 signs everywhere and associated requirements that would bring on other regulated items would be massively costly. More so would adding back in 60 signs if 'national limit' were made 40mph... there are too many roads where 40mph would be crazy and cause more issues than fix. Putting more plod on the road and b king bad driving full stop would fix things better than anything else. There are far too many people who just can't drive very well using the roads these days. That aside, the poor roads in many places doesn't help matters. I wonder how many cyclists get bumped when they go around a pot hole and end up having a driver hitting them for instance. Hmmmm Dave
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dingocooke
478 posts
89 months
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moanthebairns said: ROAD DEATHS IN 2010-11
Car occupants: 883 (up 6%)
Pedestrians: 453 (up 12%)
Motorcyclists: 362 (down 10%)
Cyclists: 107 (down 4%) "We are very concerned that 2011 saw the first increase in road fatalities since 2003, with 1901 people killed on the roads," said Louise Ellman, chair of the Transport Committee. "It is shocking that road accidents are the main cause of death amongst young adults aged 16-24 and that so many cyclists continue to be killed or injured." The chair is clearly not even reading her own stats; cycling deaths down, mortocycle deaths down; pedestrain deaths up... ....hey why not just ban mobile phones (completely) probaly halve the pedstrian deaths, and cut all accidents as well!!! only kidding..but boy is it temping!!!
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iain1970
239 posts
31 months
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ArnieVXR said: If we travelled at a steady zero mph (or even kph), the only deaths that would occur would be due to boredom. Technically, that's staying put. Another report out today warns that doing that can kill you too, it's almost as bad as smoking and we're World leaders in it!
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moanthebairns
4,268 posts
67 months
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Boydie88 said: "The largest increase is among pedestrians, where the number of deaths rose by 12% to 453" BBC
So, pedestrian deaths have increased by from 404 to 453 - so 49 of the 51 extra deaths.
Reducing the 60 zones to 40 will do next to nothing to this stat.
I'd be interested to know how many of the pedestrian deaths involved modern, quiet cars.
Big loud V8 engines for all and pedestrians will think twice about playing chicken. pish its because they done away with flip up head lights that has caused this rise. least if you hit a pedestrian with flip up lights you could have activated them at the point of impact. flipping the person like a tidily wink over your roof into safety.
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Sicob
478 posts
97 months
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So if I have a car crash I should stop to ask for the Government's details?
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adz13091982
144 posts
37 months
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Smells like anti-cuts propaganda to me...
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cvega
87 posts
28 months
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more driver education!!! tougher exams. Stop giving licenses to virtually everyone and their dog, and oh, small thing - PUT PEOPLE DRIVING WITHOUT INSURANCE TO f kING JAIL /rant over.
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goron59
285 posts
40 months
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suffolk009 said: I read somewhere recently that Britain has the safest roads in Europe as a percentage of miles driven. That's because in the rest of Europe they drive kilometers 
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originalgeezer
28 posts
79 months
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Louise Ellman, welcome to your five minutes of fame of the back of 51 poor souls losing their lives........
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leon9191
673 posts
62 months
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dingocooke said: "We are very concerned that 2011 saw the first increase in road fatalities since 2003, with 1901 people killed on the roads," said Louise Ellman, chair of the Transport Committee. "It is shocking that road accidents are the main cause of death amongst young adults aged 16-24 and that so many cyclists continue to be killed or injured."
The chair is clearly not even reading her own stats; cycling deaths down, mortocycle deaths down; pedestrain deaths up...
....hey why not just ban mobile phones (completely) probaly halve the pedstrian deaths, and cut all accidents as well!!! only kidding..but boy is it temping!!! Well its idiots wearing ear phones then isnt it, not a day goes by that someone wearing ear phones ( normally aged between 18-24) steps out infront of me, are these people totally thick or what or can they just not think for themselves! For gods sake these prats get paid for talking this rubbish when anyone with half a brain can see straight through there stats to the heart of the problem young people are stupid and step out infront of cars while listening to music - FACT!
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efini92
1 posts
12 months
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It's hardly surprising the number of cyclists killed is high, the amount I see on a daily basis running red lights, dropping off kerbs into traffic, riding the wrong way on the road is ridiculous. These people need educating before its too late. Just thought I'd mention I do also see some adhering to the rules of the road
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Podie
38,414 posts
144 months
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leemanning said: Typical 'let's blame the government' scenario. Sick of it.
People need to take some effing responsibility This.
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sidaorb
4,549 posts
75 months
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So the biggest increase is in pedestrian deaths, maybe they cant hear the hybrid / electric cars approaching.
BAN THE PRIUS
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mybrainhurts
71,631 posts
124 months
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Ah, the Commons Transport Select Committee.
A less competent gang of monkeys is hard to imagine.
If you want evidence of this, read the minutes of meetings and evidence gathering for their review of criteria for setting speed limits, under Gwyneth Dunwoody. The review that gave us lower speed limits all over the place, including the dangerous Dunwoody Fifties. All minutes are on the Committee's website.
Health warning - perusing said minutes might harm your blood pressure.
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