RE: Cameras cut death in Scotland, continue in England
Discussion
If all the money and effort put into speed cameras over the years had instead been put into setting up a scheme to provide further training (or dare I say monitoring) for new drivers then many hundreds of families would not have gone through the tragedy of losing a son or daughter.
In my opinion, as a result their continuing to exploit bad statistics to justify and prolong their existence, the speed camera advocates have blood on their hands.
In my opinion, as a result their continuing to exploit bad statistics to justify and prolong their existence, the speed camera advocates have blood on their hands.
will261058 said:
More meaningless statistics derived from loaded questions designed to give the impression that speed cameras save lives when we all know what they are really for!
Lining the pockets of a few at the expense of the many. Like so many other circular schemes deployed by government and quasi-government organisations, speed camera operations are simply rent-seeking - employing people to do a non-job that produces nothing significant and drains a little bit more from our economy. The 'savings' in terms of lives/cost to NHS/insurance etc. etc. quoted to justify these schemes are unprovable and as time passes are revealed to be false when they don't materialise. Makes a few people feel important though and allows politicians (the biggest rent-seekers of them all) to appear to be doing something.Edited by r11co on Saturday 4th August 11:47
So deaths have both been reduced by speed cameras, but increased by the government at the same time then: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
The Cameras have S.F.A. to do with it -- no one in Scottingland will overtake anyone. Ever. Not going to happen, especially all the damn Jazz drivers there!
They happily drive along at Limit-20 like baby ducks following their Mum. If in a Jazz or Micra it's limit-30 or more.
Speed up on the downhill to limit-10 but make sure that when the double-white is back, to block all instances.
They happily drive along at Limit-20 like baby ducks following their Mum. If in a Jazz or Micra it's limit-30 or more.
Speed up on the downhill to limit-10 but make sure that when the double-white is back, to block all instances.
r11co said:
poindexter said:
More to do with O.T.T. fuel prices than anything else, people either going slower or leaving the car for shorter journeys.
Very in keeping with the mood of the country, but not helpful to keep repeating it as it probably has nothing to do with it.Funkateer said:
r11co said:
poindexter said:
More to do with O.T.T. fuel prices than anything else, people either going slower or leaving the car for shorter journeys.
Very in keeping with the mood of the country, but not helpful to keep repeating it as it probably has nothing to do with it.Quote*
Over on the south side of Hadrian's Wall, meanwhile, the RAC Foundation says that English councils are maintaining their commitment to speed cameras despite funding cuts.
When Scotland get's it's Independance can we re-build Hadrians wall and charge you English and Welsh to cross the Border?
Then Scotland can annex The Lake District by adding to the wall and miss out Carlisle, job done! We'll give you Paisley, Craigneuk & Rangers as compensation.
Ahh in a prefect World!!!!!
I agree that the reduction of road Deaths in Scotland is due more to the Fuel cost than the Cameras. I see more lorry's having to overtake slower cars in the inside lane than ever before, sorry that should not happen! This is obviously due to drivers trying to save fuel and total disregard for other road users.
The other day on the M8 several Trucks had to overtake a crawler car doing 45 mph in the inside lane, I'm seeing this much too often now, far more dangerious than higher speeds.
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Over on the south side of Hadrian's Wall, meanwhile, the RAC Foundation says that English councils are maintaining their commitment to speed cameras despite funding cuts.
When Scotland get's it's Independance can we re-build Hadrians wall and charge you English and Welsh to cross the Border?
Then Scotland can annex The Lake District by adding to the wall and miss out Carlisle, job done! We'll give you Paisley, Craigneuk & Rangers as compensation.
Ahh in a prefect World!!!!!
I agree that the reduction of road Deaths in Scotland is due more to the Fuel cost than the Cameras. I see more lorry's having to overtake slower cars in the inside lane than ever before, sorry that should not happen! This is obviously due to drivers trying to save fuel and total disregard for other road users.
The other day on the M8 several Trucks had to overtake a crawler car doing 45 mph in the inside lane, I'm seeing this much too often now, far more dangerious than higher speeds.
TW>>>
timewatch said:
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Over on the south side of Hadrian's Wall, meanwhile, the RAC Foundation says that English councils are maintaining their commitment to speed cameras despite funding cuts.
When Scotland get's it's Independance can we re-build Hadrians wall and charge you English and Welsh to cross the Border?
TW>>>
What on earth does Hadrian's Wall have to do with separating England from Scotland? It is not, and never has been the border between England and Scotland. Hadrian's Wall runs through the middle of Newcastle. The Scottish border is about 60 miles further North (not even close timewatch!), being just North of Berwick on Tweed.Over on the south side of Hadrian's Wall, meanwhile, the RAC Foundation says that English councils are maintaining their commitment to speed cameras despite funding cuts.
When Scotland get's it's Independance can we re-build Hadrians wall and charge you English and Welsh to cross the Border?
TW>>>
Cars are getting safer. A LOT safer. Take the Volvo with a pedestrian air bag. Take most cars now having the option of having radar guided braking systems, lots even coming with it as standard, and some even detecting pedestrians.
Street lamp coverage maybe better than in the 90's.
Road set ups are miles better at keeping pedestrians off the bits of road they shouldn't be on.
Speed Limits are getting lower, and road layouts are slowing the traffic down.
There are more cars on the road, this slows cars down and prevents pedestrians taking the chance.
There could be more pedestrian crossings with traffic lights/pellican crossings.
Fewer people are walking, and have a car/get the bus.
Driver's mentality is geared to being slower due to the harsher punishments and massive road safety campaigns on speeding/drinking/phoning/seatbelts.
Tyre design is a lot more advanced now.
SOOOOO much more to add to the equation, yes speed cameras work, but they're not even close to being the largest factor in the road death/injuries/collisions reduction.
But the question has be asked, why are the pedestrians not looking before they cross the road? Why don't they wait for the lights?
Street lamp coverage maybe better than in the 90's.
Road set ups are miles better at keeping pedestrians off the bits of road they shouldn't be on.
Speed Limits are getting lower, and road layouts are slowing the traffic down.
There are more cars on the road, this slows cars down and prevents pedestrians taking the chance.
There could be more pedestrian crossings with traffic lights/pellican crossings.
Fewer people are walking, and have a car/get the bus.
Driver's mentality is geared to being slower due to the harsher punishments and massive road safety campaigns on speeding/drinking/phoning/seatbelts.
Tyre design is a lot more advanced now.
SOOOOO much more to add to the equation, yes speed cameras work, but they're not even close to being the largest factor in the road death/injuries/collisions reduction.
But the question has be asked, why are the pedestrians not looking before they cross the road? Why don't they wait for the lights?
iamAlegend said:
But the question has be asked, why are the pedestrians not looking before they cross the road? Why don't they wait for the lights?
Why should they? If they are hit by a car, lets blame the driver, joking of course, but I have always said"Educate the bloody pedestrians, stop persecuting drivers"Daily I have to stop at a pedestrian controlled crossing, peds then walk blindly over the road, earphones on, or on the bloody phone, do they check a cyclists is coming, or another vehicle, do they s
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rick.e said:
timewatch said:
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Over on the south side of Hadrian's Wall, meanwhile, the RAC Foundation says that English councils are maintaining their commitment to speed cameras despite funding cuts.
When Scotland get's it's Independance can we re-build Hadrians wall and charge you English and Welsh to cross the Border?
TW>>>
What on earth does Hadrian's Wall have to do with separating England from Scotland? It is not, and never has been the border between England and Scotland. Hadrian's Wall runs through the middle of Newcastle. The Scottish border is about 60 miles further North (not even close timewatch!), being just North of Berwick on Tweed.Over on the south side of Hadrian's Wall, meanwhile, the RAC Foundation says that English councils are maintaining their commitment to speed cameras despite funding cuts.
When Scotland get's it's Independance can we re-build Hadrians wall and charge you English and Welsh to cross the Border?
TW>>>
And a land grab!!!!!!!
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