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Gary C said:
Willy Nilly said:
Dressage Horse Owners Explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRRLCSnzjxw
The Dressage Horse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x54Jr-NPDCc
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The Dressage Horse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x54Jr-NPDCc
k has that got to do with this topic ?
I have read through the postings here with interest, as lived for several years in a rural environment.
My opinion is that nobody has to own a horse. They are not forced to own one. Same with dogs. Yet horse owners expect everyone else to make allowances for their choice of lifestyle.
If you choose to ride a horse on the road, then with that comes consequences. I grew tired of being looked at like I had no business driving on the road when horse folks decided they'd go out for their daily trot. It was as if I'd gone for a drive in their field. I was driving on a road.
If it is acceptable to do this, then ride down the M6 on a horse. If that is not acceptable, or legal (I don't know or care) then ask yourself why you can't/don't want to ride down the M6.
Using the logic of we all rode horses 100 years ago is actually where the problem comes from. We don't live in a museum. We had steam trains 100 years ago. And a World War.
Please, if you choose to ride your horse on the rode, then accept it is a road, not a horse way, and the road is designed for cars, trucks, motorbikes and so on.
That is why the road is usually covered in tarmac, not mud.
I don't drive my car across a field and expect horse owners to make allowances for me.
Out of interest, if a horse damages my car, say it gets 'spooked' by a motorbike or whatever, how does it work from an insurance viewpoint? Or is it silly me who has to pay, because someone decides they want to ride a horse.
I'm not anti horse at all. I promise.
My opinion is that nobody has to own a horse. They are not forced to own one. Same with dogs. Yet horse owners expect everyone else to make allowances for their choice of lifestyle.
If you choose to ride a horse on the road, then with that comes consequences. I grew tired of being looked at like I had no business driving on the road when horse folks decided they'd go out for their daily trot. It was as if I'd gone for a drive in their field. I was driving on a road.
If it is acceptable to do this, then ride down the M6 on a horse. If that is not acceptable, or legal (I don't know or care) then ask yourself why you can't/don't want to ride down the M6.
Using the logic of we all rode horses 100 years ago is actually where the problem comes from. We don't live in a museum. We had steam trains 100 years ago. And a World War.
Please, if you choose to ride your horse on the rode, then accept it is a road, not a horse way, and the road is designed for cars, trucks, motorbikes and so on.
That is why the road is usually covered in tarmac, not mud.
I don't drive my car across a field and expect horse owners to make allowances for me.
Out of interest, if a horse damages my car, say it gets 'spooked' by a motorbike or whatever, how does it work from an insurance viewpoint? Or is it silly me who has to pay, because someone decides they want to ride a horse.
I'm not anti horse at all. I promise.
It is illegal to let your horse poo in the road and leave it there:
Highways Act 1980 Section 148 (c)
148 Penalty for depositing things or pitching booths etc. on highway.
If, without lawful authority or excuse—
(a)a person deposits on a made-up carriageway any dung, compost or other material for dressing land, or any rubbish, or
(b)a person deposits on any highway that consists of or comprises a made-up carriageway any dung, compost or other material for dressing land, or any rubbish, within 15 feet from the centre of that carriageway, or
(c)a person deposits any thing whatsoever on a highway to the interruption of any user of the highway, or
(d)a hawker or other itinerant trader pitches a booth, stall or stand, or encamps, on a highway.
he is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
Highways Act 1980 Section 148 (c)
148 Penalty for depositing things or pitching booths etc. on highway.
If, without lawful authority or excuse—
(a)a person deposits on a made-up carriageway any dung, compost or other material for dressing land, or any rubbish, or
(b)a person deposits on any highway that consists of or comprises a made-up carriageway any dung, compost or other material for dressing land, or any rubbish, within 15 feet from the centre of that carriageway, or
(c)a person deposits any thing whatsoever on a highway to the interruption of any user of the highway, or
(d)a hawker or other itinerant trader pitches a booth, stall or stand, or encamps, on a highway.
he is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
BlimeyCharlie, I suppose most people don't have to own a car or a motorbike though do they? We could all cycle or walk or get the bus. We don't have to have kids that annoy other people. In fact we don't have to even leave the house and irritate everyone else by being miserable buggers do we? But it's good to have the choice.
I drive a car and ride a motorbike, and I can be a miserable git, never owned or ridden a horse, but will always slow down for them - why anyone wouldn't I don't know. Same as slowing down for kids on bikes in my opinion.
The only thing I don't like is hitting horse st on my motorbike. But then I don't like drain covers and wet leaves either.
I drive a car and ride a motorbike, and I can be a miserable git, never owned or ridden a horse, but will always slow down for them - why anyone wouldn't I don't know. Same as slowing down for kids on bikes in my opinion.
The only thing I don't like is hitting horse s
t on my motorbike. But then I don't like drain covers and wet leaves either.Clearly the driver of that car was a bit of a prat, everyone should slow down for wes, however, unless it can be avoided, riding a horse on the road is just foolish...
roads getting busier and busier, some cars are quite loud by their nature (old v8's or sports cars for instance) and statistically I am sure roads are one of the least safe places that people use in their day to day life, so I can't see why anyone would choose to ride on a road unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary.
es, however, unless it can be avoided, riding a horse on the road is just foolish...roads getting busier and busier, some cars are quite loud by their nature (old v8's or sports cars for instance) and statistically I am sure roads are one of the least safe places that people use in their day to day life, so I can't see why anyone would choose to ride on a road unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary.
1969fastback said:
Clearly the driver of that car was a bit of a prat, everyone should slow down for wes, however, unless it can be avoided, riding a horse on the road is just foolish...
roads getting busier and busier, some cars are quite loud by their nature (old v8's or sports cars for instance) and statistically I am sure roads are one of the least safe places that people use in their day to day life, so I can't see why anyone would choose to ride on a road unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary.
I live on a cul-de-sac in a quiet residential area. A few summers ago, whilst I was out in my front garden, I saw a couple of horses being ridden up the road. They reached the dead end and then turned around and began to ride back down the road. I thought the riders might be lost and so asked if they needed directions to which their reply was that they were not lost and were just riding around the area. As they rode off one of the horses left a pile of poo on the road as a goodbye present.es, however, unless it can be avoided, riding a horse on the road is just foolish...roads getting busier and busier, some cars are quite loud by their nature (old v8's or sports cars for instance) and statistically I am sure roads are one of the least safe places that people use in their day to day life, so I can't see why anyone would choose to ride on a road unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary.
I have since seen the same two riders aimlessly riding their horses around the residential streets in my village so I am not sure that horses are only ridden on the streets when ABSOLUTELY necessary.
The only time my horse is ridden on a road is to get to a bridle path and these roads are quiet country lanes. Although I could take my horse on busier roads as I am legally entitled to do so, common sense says otherwise as I would not want my beautiful animal to come to any harm, nor cause harm to anyone else.
As always, it is the minority who spoil it for the majority. Same with motorists
As always, it is the minority who spoil it for the majority. Same with motorists
Baldybong said:
The only time my horse is ridden on a road is to get to a bridle path and these roads are quiet country lanes. Although I could take my horse on busier roads as I am legally entitled to do so, common sense says otherwise as I would not want my beautiful animal to come to any harm, nor cause harm to anyone else.
As always, it is the minority who spoil it for the majority. Same with motorists
A very good post. As always, it is the minority who spoil it for the majority. Same with motorists
I really can't understand why someone would ride a horse on a road. You've got a narrow section of tarmac with cars going in either direction at speeds up to 60mph and then an animal which doesn't have a clue where or what is going on - it's not as if the rider has any control over what happens.
Obviously in this case the guy was an idiot and most people do take care when overtaking horses but it's still a completely moronic thing to do to ride them on roads.
Obviously in this case the guy was an idiot and most people do take care when overtaking horses but it's still a completely moronic thing to do to ride them on roads.
M3Maverick said:
I mean you wouldn't take your dog for a walk down the edge of the A1 would you? So why do that with a horse?
Indeed you wouldn't, but I can't see any reference to this incident being on an "A" road either.The incident was caused by a driver overtaking another who slowed for the horse, and admitted liability.
Living where I do here in deepest darkest Fife we are surrounded by stables,whilst walking the dog a couple of days back I met a horse and rider on the road.As usual my dog was on his lead I gathered him on to the grass verge and sat him down in anticipation of the approaching horse.The said horse and rider walked past without as much as a bye your leave,something to do with the fact the rider was too busy texting on his phone,what is the law on this particular activity on a public road.
If you are to be a responsible horse owner you should own or have access to fields where you can ride the thing without using or needing public roads.
Riding a horse on the road cannot be a sensible thing to do, even if it's to make 'a point' that horses have been around longer than cars (which is relevant how?).
Riding a horse on the road cannot be a sensible thing to do, even if it's to make 'a point' that horses have been around longer than cars (which is relevant how?).
0a said:
If you are to be a responsible horse owner you should own or have access to fields where you can ride the thing without out using roads.
Riding a horse on the road cannot be a sensible thing to do, even if it's to make 'a point' that horses have been around longer than cars (which is relevant how?).
And if your a responsible driver, you would appreciate all have access to the roads, and exercise due care and attention when passing a horse.Riding a horse on the road cannot be a sensible thing to do, even if it's to make 'a point' that horses have been around longer than cars (which is relevant how?).
Whether or not people like it, all are allowed on our roads. Its not like your passing a horse every five minutes is it?
Vipers said:
And if your a responsible driver, you would appreciate all have access to the roads, and exercise due care and attention when passing a horse.
Whether or not people like it, all are allowed on our roads. Its not like your passing a horse every five minutes is it?
For me it's a safety thing - 5 mph convoys are not safe on today's roads with real drivers. It's irresponsible to ride a horse on the roads for this reason, no matter the 'rights' as to who is allowed and who isn't. Whether or not people like it, all are allowed on our roads. Its not like your passing a horse every five minutes is it?
Gary C said:
Of course any responsible motorist should pass a horse with care, but should they be on the roads in the modern world ?
Personally I think they should, but only up to 30 mph limits.
Not a bad idea, but on the roads which pass a number of farms are NSL, bottom line drivers should be looking ahead and anticipate what is around the next corner, not blindly truck around full bore.Personally I think they should, but only up to 30 mph limits.
We shouldn't loose sight of the initial post, the accident wasn't caused by a horse, but an impatient driver.
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