Paul Bailey's 918 Spyder involved in crash at motor show

[Ollywood]

Well you could argue that the risks (financial too) involved in an overseas charity event are too high. There is going to be some monstrous costs.

[AlanMinium]

RutlandWebster said:

A load of bks about Rutland

You live in the countryside. Loads of us live in the countryside. We have to share that space with ramblers, cyclists, equestrian users and other motorists. Nothing unique about it.
Are you trying to sell your house and want to make out that Rutland is the promised land?
Why bring up a planning dispute on a thread about lots of innocent people being badly injured?

[RutlandWebster]

AlanMinium said:

You live in the countryside. Loads of us live in the countryside. We have to share that space with ramblers, cyclists, equestrian users and other motorists. Nothing unique about it.
Are you trying to sell your house and want to make out that Rutland is the promised land?
Why bring up a planning dispute on a thread about lots of innocent people being badly injured?

Thanks for your opinion, but that wasn't the purpose of my post. If you're confused, read it again. Or perhaps even simply ignore it. I admitted to maybe being a little over enthusiastic with the keyboard in a later post yesterday. The fact remains there is a real mix of views being expressed about the backgrounds of all of the people involved in this incident and in relation to its possible causes by many different people on this forum. That's the basic principle of any forum as far as I'm aware.

[deltashad]

Only 13 posts on PH and the majority on this guy? I wonder what your motives are for coming here.

[RutlandWebster]

deltashad said:

Only 13 posts on PH and the majority on this guy? I wonder what your motives are for coming here.

Only a little paranoid then! Just the way it goes - A local interest story that happened in a quiet week. I've had my account for a few years without much activity. Real life's normally far too full so I doubt I'll ever get to 50 posts on any subject, let alone 5k+!

[sjc]

RutlandWebster said:

deltashad said:

Only 13 posts on PH and the majority on this guy? I wonder what your motives are for coming here.

Only a little paranoid then! Just the way it goes - A local interest story that happened in a quiet week. I've had my account for a few years without much activity. Real life's normally far too full so I doubt I'll ever get to 50 posts on any subject, let alone 5k+!

An amazing coincidence though....... up pops a local interest story while you're having a quiet week (by the looks of it the first one in 37 months as your life's too full to post)....then having the time to compose a write up about his other activities in a post of over 500 words of no relevance whatsoever to what happened..... other than to have a proper nasty dig at him when he's lying in a hospital bed with a fractured skull along with those that were horribly injured.

[graeme4130]

I hope that all involved recover, but I genuinely feel sorry for the guy driving. What was an attempt at a fun day out showing off his car, has ended in a nasty accident, and something he'll have to live with for the rest of his life
I don't know the guy, so won't pass judgement on him , but I do enjoy seeing video's of his cars being driven at various events, which can't be said for many of the owners of such cars, who keep them locked away and don't get used for fear of tempting in depreciation with a bit of mileage.
Whether people like or dislike this guy for whatever reason, there doesn't appear to be any malicious intent in this crash. it's not like he's had a few drinks and ploughed into a bus stop full of people, is it ?
Perhaps the trial of his personality is true form to PH, but it's poor form at this point in time, none the less

[Soov535]

sjc said:

RutlandWebster said:

deltashad said:

Only 13 posts on PH and the majority on this guy? I wonder what your motives are for coming here.

Only a little paranoid then! Just the way it goes - A local interest story that happened in a quiet week. I've had my account for a few years without much activity. Real life's normally far too full so I doubt I'll ever get to 50 posts on any subject, let alone 5k+!

An amazing coincidence though....... up pops a local interest story while you're having a quiet week (by the looks of it the first one in 37 months as your life's too full to post)....then having the time to compose a write up about his other activities in a post of over 500 words of no relevance whatsoever to what happened..... other than to have a proper nasty dig at him when he's lying in a hospital bed with a fractured skull along with those that were horribly injured.

Elegantly put.

Rutland you are coming across as a bitter little man, bile flecked with jealousy.


The guy raised thousands for charity, and he made a small driving error, and his life as he knows it is over.

Shut up

[marky1]

Looks like we've had a long term stalker who only pops his head above the parapet when he gets a chance to bash his prey.

[vkcs22]

I think it's definitely the organiser's fault, as the safety measures were poor.

This was not on a public road and so many blame the driver! PH at its best!

[RoadRunner220]

Gandahar said:

People on here have mentioned Goodwood and Bruntingthorpe. Are the safety standards up to scratch there also? I went to Goodwood many moons back and it was just straw bales up the hill. Better now? At Bruntingthorpe spectators seem a long way away, but at the end of the runs cars seem to be travelling very quickly through parked cars. That always seemed to me a bit odd with potentially bad consequences if brakes failed.

I can't comment on Goodwood, but for Bruntingthorpe, yes they are. There are no spectators near the areas where cars are driving quickly, ie the runway, and the section leading to it. Every time I've participated there I've never seen cars travelling quickly between parked cars. After the blast down the runway it's essentially a 180 degree corner (it's quite wide), but that's where the cars slow down before heading to what is the pits area where there are stationary cars, and where there are members of public getting in and out of them. By this stage it's more often than not like a traffic jam, so first and second gear crawling, whilst you allow cars into their pit area, and also to leave to head to the outside lane ready to floor it out of the pits when guided to by a marshal. I've never seen anyone driving quickly in the actual pit area itself, it's all very well behaved.

[RutlandWebster]

Soov535 said:

Elegantly put.

Rutland you are coming across as a bitter little man, bile flecked with jealousy.


The guy raised thousands for charity, and he made a small driving error, and his life as he knows it is over.

Shut up

Jealousy? Of what exactly? You know only of the driver of the car what he chooses to make public, and far less about me - If you actually read the words in my initial post rather than recreating your own twisted fantasy from it, there's just fact mixed with a bit of opinion as with most of the posts from others. There's no "bile", "bitterness" or "jealousy" anywhere to be found, but plenty of the former two in your four line response.

There are plenty of posters to this thread who have have actually made very derogatory, deeply personal, quite offensive and possibly inaccurate remarks about the driver of the car, his personality and his motives - I have done none of the above.

As for making "a small driving error", there are 20 odd people in Malta who'd probably say you're trivialising what is a much more serious incident than that - Let's hope they all recover, the car's driver included.

Have a pleasant evening.

[Roo]

Give it a rest.

Take your, possible, gripes with the man elsewhere.

[graeme4130]

RoadRunner220 said:

Gandahar said:

People on here have mentioned Goodwood and Bruntingthorpe. Are the safety standards up to scratch there also? I went to Goodwood many moons back and it was just straw bales up the hill. Better now? At Bruntingthorpe spectators seem a long way away, but at the end of the runs cars seem to be travelling very quickly through parked cars. That always seemed to me a bit odd with potentially bad consequences if brakes failed.

I can't comment on Goodwood, but for Bruntingthorpe, yes they are. There are no spectators near the areas where cars are driving quickly, ie the runway, and the section leading to it. Every time I've participated there I've never seen cars travelling quickly between parked cars. After the blast down the runway it's essentially a 180 degree corner (it's quite wide), but that's where the cars slow down before heading to what is the pits area where there are stationary cars, and where there are members of public getting in and out of them. By this stage it's more often than not like a traffic jam, so first and second gear crawling, whilst you allow cars into their pit area, and also to leave to head to the outside lane ready to floor it out of the pits when guided to by a marshal. I've never seen anyone driving quickly in the actual pit area itself, it's all very well behaved.

Admittedly, Goodwood does still use hay bales, but they're about 4 foot thick, 6 foot long and weigh in around 300kgs each, and they're also doubled or tripled up in the corners or spots known for taking accidents

[Ollywood]

graeme4130 said:

RoadRunner220 said:

Gandahar said:

People on here have mentioned Goodwood and Bruntingthorpe. Are the safety standards up to scratch there also? I went to Goodwood many moons back and it was just straw bales up the hill. Better now? At Bruntingthorpe spectators seem a long way away, but at the end of the runs cars seem to be travelling very quickly through parked cars. That always seemed to me a bit odd with potentially bad consequences if brakes failed.

I can't comment on Goodwood, but for Bruntingthorpe, yes they are. There are no spectators near the areas where cars are driving quickly, ie the runway, and the section leading to it. Every time I've participated there I've never seen cars travelling quickly between parked cars. After the blast down the runway it's essentially a 180 degree corner (it's quite wide), but that's where the cars slow down before heading to what is the pits area where there are stationary cars, and where there are members of public getting in and out of them. By this stage it's more often than not like a traffic jam, so first and second gear crawling, whilst you allow cars into their pit area, and also to leave to head to the outside lane ready to floor it out of the pits when guided to by a marshal. I've never seen anyone driving quickly in the actual pit area itself, it's all very well behaved.

Admittedly, Goodwood does still use hay bales, but they're about 4 foot thick, 6 foot long and weigh in around 300kgs each, and they're also doubled or tripled up in the corners or spots known for taking accidents

As Sir Chris Hoy demonstrated by taking his Nissan GT-R into them and that's a heavy machine

[AndyGarton]

I hope you're right about Goodwood because it scares me every time I see it on TV. I certainly wouldn't choose to stand on the section just after Hoy went off if I was there myself.

[graeme4130]

AndyGarton said:

I hope you're right about Goodwood because it scares me every time I see it on TV. I certainly wouldn't choose to stand on the section just after Hoy went off if I was there myself.

To give a couple of examples ;

Edited by graeme4130 on Wednesday 7th October 08:23

[mattf93]

Just an update, the young girl (6) and her mum have been discharged from ITU (although presumably still receiving treatment)
Hoping there are no slip ups from the hospital and all involved make a speedy recovery.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20151006...

[Gandahar]

Those straw bales look sturdy but not very high. I think I'd probably sit in the grandstand. Thanks for everyones replies

We've always known it says on the back of the ticket motorsports are dangerous; these are not motorsports per se, but of similar nature.

[AndyGarton]

mattf93 said:

Just an update, the young girl (6) and her mum have been discharged from ITU (although presumably still receiving treatment)
Hoping there are no slip ups from the hospital and all involved make a speedy recovery.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20151006...

Brilliant news, and an absolute miracle based on the footage.