Paul Bailey's 918 Spyder involved in crash at motor show

Paul Bailey's 918 Spyder involved in crash at motor show

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likesachange

2,631 posts

194 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Very sad news to all.
Reminds me of the koenigsegg crash a few years ago.

Spectators shouldn't really be set up in the line of chicanes and high chances of "offs". Also if barriers are in place they need to b ae to stand up to the job ffs

Regardless we'll all have opinions, what's happened has happened.

Thoughts go out to all involved

p1stonhead

25,549 posts

167 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Esceptico said:
Pommygranite said:
If no one else was driving and the car had no mechanical faults there can be no other determination but that it was his fault.

I'm sure he's lovely guy and one of us with an amazing collection but he seems to have simply been going too fast and lost control and blame lay with him. Very sad for all those involved.
I think that is too simplistic. Drivers make mistakes. The organisers of such events need to anticipate the consequences of the most likely mistakes and try to ensure that the public are protected. Having only briefly looked at the video it seems that thr plastic barriers were to make a course and presumably to keep the speed down. Forcing the driver to drive around an obstacle near the grass does not seem that sensible. Nor does having the car travelling at high speed so close to the crowd - at least without some proper barriers (why didn't they have concrete barriers to protect the crowd?) Clearly the organisers did not plan for this to happen but I'm not sure they did enough planning to make sure it didn't happen either.

One point to be established is whether Mr Bailey had switched off traction and stability controls (and whether that had been discussed with the organisers).
Its surprising he was allowed to be doing things that close to the crowd despite not being a full on professional driver. At events here like the supercar event at Dunsfold where many normal owners are driving, the crowd is well away from any potential crash zone.


Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 5th October 07:12

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

103 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
I have a 6 year old daughter myself and the thought of losing her....frown

Bailey has always struck me as the bell-end type, someone who loves being in the limelight and will do anything to stay there.

Regardless of whoss fault it was, he shouldnt have been driving in that manner with virtually zero safety measures in place.

Shame on him and the d1cks who allowed it to happen and organised it.

As for Bailey, I hope he well and truly effs off now, smug prick.
Jealous much?

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

189 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Jealous that he has a collection of hypercars? Not really, my line of work gets me access to all types of exotica so I see cars like this regularly, so why would I be jealous of what someone else has?

No, his 'look at me' smugness and poor driving has injured dozens of people and reports are that a 6 year old girl has died as a result of it.

PS....welcome to the forum. Your first post. I am guessing you are part of the Paul Bailey fanclub?

Petrus1983

8,719 posts

162 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Pretty harsh comments imo considering he was there for a charity event. Yes, he lost control of the car and the subsequence of that is pretty serious this time, but the organisers also have to take some responsibility too - there's no way spectators should have been standing there in the first place.

topless360

2,763 posts

218 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
No, his 'look at me' smugness
Do you know him personally? I assume you do as you're making very personal remarks about the bloke, based on what?

From what I understand he does an awful lot for charity including giving passenger rides in his own cars. He's clearly earnt his money through hard work and now gives back, fair play to him for that.

Accidents do happen and thoughts go out to all involved. Future events need to have a good hard look at lessons that can be learned from yesterday's incident, caused IMO by poor event planning and driver error.

V8FGO

1,644 posts

205 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
Jealous that he has a collection of hypercars? Not really, my line of work gets me access to all types of exotica so I see cars like this regularly, so why would I be jealous of what someone else has?

No, his 'look at me' smugness and poor driving has injured dozens of people and reports are that a 6 year old girl has died as a result of it.
Not correct, but still in critical condition, along with 4 others.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20151005...


Esceptico

7,472 posts

109 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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topless360 said:
Do you know him personally? I assume you do as you're making very personal remarks about the bloke, based on what?

From what I understand he does an awful lot for charity including giving passenger rides in his own cars. He's clearly earnt his money through hard work and now gives back, fair play to him for that.

Accidents do happen and thoughts go out to all involved. Future events need to have a good hard look at lessons that can be learned from yesterday's incident, caused IMO by poor event planning and driver error.
I don't know him so not going to judge him. But giving passenger rides in your supercar is not really charity. Yes it might raise money but it is partly if not wholly about showing off / having an excuse to take out your supercar. Volunteering at your local Oxfam shop or helping at a soup kitchen are rather more worthy of praise. That isn't having a go at Bailey - I just think that it is also not something to praise him with.

Although the papers haven't picked up on it yet, I would be surprised if there were not forthcoming articles about the "safety" of the 918 just like the slew of articles about the safety or not of the a Carerra GT following the death of Paul Walker. No doubt the ignorant and the car haters will use this crash as another excuse to bash super cars in general.

epom

11,520 posts

161 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
I have a 6 year old daughter myself and the thought of losing her....frown

Bailey has always struck me as the bell-end type, someone who loves being in the limelight and will do anything to stay there.

Regardless of whoss fault it was, he shouldnt have been driving in that manner with virtually zero safety measures in place.

Shame on him and the d1cks who allowed it to happen and organised it.

As for Bailey, I hope he well and truly effs off now, smug prick.
Couldn't agree less.

Awful news.

Nick_Johnson

336 posts

177 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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If you watch the video of one of the hot laps that he gave filmed by an earlier passenger you can see that he was traveling a warp speed, when he dropped it on the grass he would have been well into a three figure speed and with minimal run off it was an accident waiting to happen. The spectators were simply to close to the action, you wouldn't be able to get that close to an F1 car so why the exception here?

I don't know Paul nor have I ever met him therefore casting an opinion on him as an individual seems pretty daft in my opinion. From what I can see he was enjoying his car and making some money for charity in the process, unfortunately he ran out of talent which has resulted in some serious injuries. I hope for the love of god the reports coming from Malta this morning that the people who were critically injured are improving in condition and nobody looses their life from this accident.



GP335i

466 posts

164 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Unfortunately this thread has, and will bring out the worst in Pistonheads.

9e 28

9,410 posts

201 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Terrible tragedy. Hope everyones okay especially the little 6 year old girl. Time will tell but on the face of it driver error is the cause of the accident - my heart goes out to the little girl and her family plus all the other spectators who are injured.

The driver was driving far too fast near spectators who admittedly had little or no crash protection but this doesn't absolve the driver in any way in my view. I wish all those injured a swift and speedy recovery.

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Sloppy

609 posts

213 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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I place all blame on the organisers, a thin fence is not sufficient protection when 200mph supercars are being driven metres away by Amateur drivers, or even professional drivers, things go wrong and accidents do happen, be it human error or mechanical failure. How awful for the people injured and their families.

Muzzer79

9,977 posts

187 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
Bailey has always struck me as the bell-end type, someone who loves being in the limelight and will do anything to stay there.

Regardless of whoss fault it was, he shouldnt have been driving in that manner with virtually zero safety measures in place.

Shame on him and the d1cks who allowed it to happen and organised it.

As for Bailey, I hope he well and truly effs off now, smug prick.
That's a very simplistic view to take on someone who (I assume) you've never met.

I have no opinion at all on Mr Bailey - I think until it's investigated what caused this accident, one cannot cast "Shame on him".


On a seperate note, whoever wrote this Mail article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3259754/Tw...

Is a prick.

Daily Fail said:
Mr and Mrs Bailey, whose home in Rutland is believed to be worth more than £1million, made their fortune when they sold the communications company
irkedfurious



z4RRSchris

11,285 posts

179 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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crazy set of events with a sad outcome, easily avoided.

I can imagine someone is going to jail and Someone will have a huge payout to make

Andyuk911

1,979 posts

209 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Pardon me ... but STOP IT, let's keep this to our thoughts for the people who are hurt and how to prevent this happening again.

Maybe and I don't know, all 'driver aids' should be left on...

Thanks

Edited by Andyuk911 on Monday 5th October 09:07

AOK

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2,297 posts

166 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
As for Bailey, I hope he well and truly effs off now, smug prick.
I struggle to understand why you'd want someone who puts so much of their own time and sweat into charity to eff off. Whether he's a smug prick or not, at least he's trying to do his bit.

As with everyone else, I hope the news about the child making a recovery is true.

k-ink

9,070 posts

179 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Yet another example of "watch this" in front of an audience (or camera). Money and BHP far exceeding talent and judgement. Always a recipe for disaster, as sadly displayed in hundreds of YouTube clips these days. Yes the track offered crap safety conditions, so drive to those conditions.

As for the innocent little girl. Heatbreaking.

Cheib

23,250 posts

175 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Terrible, terrible accident.

The organisers should never have set the event up like that and the driver should never have driven at those speeds with spectators so close.

Soov535

35,829 posts

271 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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I feel so sorry for all concerned.

He put a wheel on the grass - a simple error, now many lives will change forever.