Paul Bailey's 918 Spyder involved in crash at motor show
Discussion
Video is now online on certain outlets.
Seems he caught a rear wheel on the grass when travelling down the runway, which pitched the car into a spin, and into the crowd.
I didn't watch it and think
"Christ, his driving is terrible"
Seems a combination of poor luck (catching the wheel on the grass) and poor safety (crowd to close to the runway, inadequate barriers)
Seems he caught a rear wheel on the grass when travelling down the runway, which pitched the car into a spin, and into the crowd.
I didn't watch it and think
"Christ, his driving is terrible"
Seems a combination of poor luck (catching the wheel on the grass) and poor safety (crowd to close to the runway, inadequate barriers)
johnwilliams77 said:
Schermerhorn said:
I have a 6 year old daughter myself and the thought of losing her....
Bailey has always struck me as the bell-end type, someone who loves being in the limelight and will do anything to stay there.
Regardless of whoss fault it was, he shouldnt have been driving in that manner with virtually zero safety measures in place.
Shame on him and the d1cks who allowed it to happen and organised it.
As for Bailey, I hope he well and truly effs off now, smug prick.
Jealous much?Bailey has always struck me as the bell-end type, someone who loves being in the limelight and will do anything to stay there.
Regardless of whoss fault it was, he shouldnt have been driving in that manner with virtually zero safety measures in place.
Shame on him and the d1cks who allowed it to happen and organised it.
As for Bailey, I hope he well and truly effs off now, smug prick.
Your final comment is completely inappropriate for PH, he himself has sustained head injuries (although now stable) as well as lacerations and other injuries - it was a tragic set of circumstances and he is not wholly responsible for it whichever way you look at it.
RutlandWebster said:
Just to respond to some of the replies to other people's earlier posts, it's not always the case that those who criticise someone who is successful are envious - I think a lot of people here would agree that whilst it can sometimes be true, we also know that money is no substitute for and can't necessarily buy driving talent or good manners.
I don't know the man personally, and from some of the first hand accounts I've heard, I don't wish to. However there are a large number of people here in Britain's smallest county where he and his wife live who both do and don't know the Baileys, and have encountered them and more specifically Mr Bailey's driving, who won't be a bit surprised that something like this has eventually happened.
From all accounts he's another of a growing band of people who have moved here who bring nothing more of benefit to Rutland than Council Tax revenue, but have very little understanding or care for the special sensitivities of the local environment they've chosen to be part of with the rest of us, or enough consideration for those who already live in it.
Whilst not directly related to this particular incident, the couple are currently pitted against their neighbours in the courts in a case whose nature might or might not give some credence to the comments made about this man in earlier posts. As always, I speak as I find.
The Baileys are accused of running their supercar hire and wedding planning businesses from their home next to a nature reserve in a tiny hamlet on the peninsula that juts out into Rutland Water - The land the house is built on was sold to them with a caveat that they absolutely must not ever carry on a business of any sort from the grounds.
It's for the courts to decide whether or not the allegations are true, and indeed whether the complainants are themselves behaving fairly, so in order that libel laws are respected, this isn't the place to speculate - It's fair to say though that the noise and movements of 30 odd supercars kept for any period at that address could be a source of disturbance in a tiny hamlet of 20 or so houses and the one and only single track road that runs up to it and eventually to a dead end on the shore of Rutland Water itself. That's why the caveat excluding the operation of any business activities exists.
Commenting more directly to this latest reported incident, the combination of the many cyclists drawn to the area in part by Rutland Water, the huge amount of equestrian activity (which is out of proportion with most rural areas of the UK), the number of tourists and passers-through who simply don't know the very inviting roads, means we have an almost unique set of circumstances that requires a great deal of care by drivers - That doesn't mean one has to potter. It means appropriate use of speed must be applied at all times as you never know what's around the next corner, or what's going to jump out of a hedge, no matter how well you know the road.
As anyone who has lived here for any length of time, or anyone who has bothered to observe whilst visiting will have realised, we are quite a laid back part of the world, and tend to drive at below 20/30/40 limits and as fast as is safe and appropriate elsewhere.....Some of the more recent arrivals seem to think speed limits in villages and towns have an invisible "ish" on the end and that everyone should hear them coming and going.
I hope everyone involved in this horrible incident including the driver and his passenger recovers. I for one will be pulling a bit further into the hedge the next time I see one of Mr Bailey's cars on the road.
This is MASSIVELY infuriating bringing this up as this has nothing whatsoever to do with the unfortunate circumstances yesterday. Ive lived in Rutland all my life, I have spoken to Paul on a few occasions, it really wouldn't surprise me if you were his gold digging next door neighbour considering your comments. You strike me as someone that isn't in complete possession of the facts of his legal situation with his neighbour and have merely read the local paper and regurgitated what is said in there. 'Hamlet of 20 houses' Where his house is located there is one neighbour. and the rest are a good distance (3/4mile or more away) so another error. I don't know the man personally, and from some of the first hand accounts I've heard, I don't wish to. However there are a large number of people here in Britain's smallest county where he and his wife live who both do and don't know the Baileys, and have encountered them and more specifically Mr Bailey's driving, who won't be a bit surprised that something like this has eventually happened.
From all accounts he's another of a growing band of people who have moved here who bring nothing more of benefit to Rutland than Council Tax revenue, but have very little understanding or care for the special sensitivities of the local environment they've chosen to be part of with the rest of us, or enough consideration for those who already live in it.
Whilst not directly related to this particular incident, the couple are currently pitted against their neighbours in the courts in a case whose nature might or might not give some credence to the comments made about this man in earlier posts. As always, I speak as I find.
The Baileys are accused of running their supercar hire and wedding planning businesses from their home next to a nature reserve in a tiny hamlet on the peninsula that juts out into Rutland Water - The land the house is built on was sold to them with a caveat that they absolutely must not ever carry on a business of any sort from the grounds.
It's for the courts to decide whether or not the allegations are true, and indeed whether the complainants are themselves behaving fairly, so in order that libel laws are respected, this isn't the place to speculate - It's fair to say though that the noise and movements of 30 odd supercars kept for any period at that address could be a source of disturbance in a tiny hamlet of 20 or so houses and the one and only single track road that runs up to it and eventually to a dead end on the shore of Rutland Water itself. That's why the caveat excluding the operation of any business activities exists.
Commenting more directly to this latest reported incident, the combination of the many cyclists drawn to the area in part by Rutland Water, the huge amount of equestrian activity (which is out of proportion with most rural areas of the UK), the number of tourists and passers-through who simply don't know the very inviting roads, means we have an almost unique set of circumstances that requires a great deal of care by drivers - That doesn't mean one has to potter. It means appropriate use of speed must be applied at all times as you never know what's around the next corner, or what's going to jump out of a hedge, no matter how well you know the road.
As anyone who has lived here for any length of time, or anyone who has bothered to observe whilst visiting will have realised, we are quite a laid back part of the world, and tend to drive at below 20/30/40 limits and as fast as is safe and appropriate elsewhere.....Some of the more recent arrivals seem to think speed limits in villages and towns have an invisible "ish" on the end and that everyone should hear them coming and going.
I hope everyone involved in this horrible incident including the driver and his passenger recovers. I for one will be pulling a bit further into the hedge the next time I see one of Mr Bailey's cars on the road.
The main reason the next door neighbours sued him is the fact they're struggling for money, add that to the fact they had their planning applications turned down for toilet/shower blocks for their campsite business just weakened their position. Trying to claim against the Baileys for using their property for business when they themselves run a campsite and use their property for weddings and events? I think you are mistaken for thinking that the neighbour is completely the innocent party.
In addition to your comments of the cars/garages I saw the accepted planning applications that Paul submitted and they were fairly exhaustive and what he could and couldnt do and materials he could and couldnt use. And the annoyance of a few cars starting up is absolutely pathetic.
In relation to his driving he doesnt drive like a nutter all the time - far from it so I don't quite see where your driving criticisms are coming from either? I have been behind him on many occasions and he hasn't been speeding (including NSL zones). He also is a racing driver, did you even know that? Or have you once again made an assumption of a man you do not know? You seem to be brushing paul with a slight generalisation that all new residents in rutland are driving like they have a rocket up their backside - somewhat a sweeping incorrect statement.
I find most of your comments irrelevant particularly those that are to do with his current legal matter, It wouldn't surprise me if you've never seen one of his cars on the road or out and about driving. Just infuriating jealousy, or thats how your argument tends to read in my eyes.
BACK to the point of the OP a shocking situation which is a combination of driver error, 'track' layout, and laughable public safety protection. You CANNOT pin the whole blame on Paul whatsoever, this is a freak accident and I think some need to remember this before laying down insulting comments about Paul. All I wish that all injured parties recover as soon as possible and am praying that there will be no loss of life.
Edited by mattf93 on Monday 5th October 12:17
RutlandWebster said:
I hope everyone involved in this horrible incident including the driver and his passenger recovers. I for one will be pulling a bit further into the hedge the next time I see one of Mr Bailey's cars on the road.
Do everyone a favour and drive into that hedge next time. Using an accident like this to score shots against someone. A cretin of the highest order!I followed a convoy of his three hypercars -- I was on my K1300S superbike. Their on-road driving was reasonably fast, but fluid, well considered and certainly nothing of concern over a number of miles on varied roads around Huntingdon. Definitely upper quartile of what you see on the road these days.
jhoneyball said:
I followed a convoy of his three hypercars -- I was on my K1300S superbike. Their on-road driving was reasonably fast, but fluid, well considered and certainly nothing of concern over a number of miles on varied roads around Huntingdon. Definitely upper quartile of what you see on the road these days.
More like it, some people just see these cars and thats it they are going too fast and the car is too loud bla bla bla.I know being rational goes against the grain in threads like this, but surely it comes down primarily to one thing: As many have said, the barriers/cones (and lack of) are on the face of it, from the videos, totally inadequate for the type of driving & event
So either PB was given instructions not to drive at the types of speeds he was but disregarded the advice, or he wasn't and whilst one could argue in a perfect world he should have still raised a concern about safety, if it was indeed the latter, then the organisers should take the majority if not all of the blame
So either PB was given instructions not to drive at the types of speeds he was but disregarded the advice, or he wasn't and whilst one could argue in a perfect world he should have still raised a concern about safety, if it was indeed the latter, then the organisers should take the majority if not all of the blame
Perhaps I was abit too harsh in my choice of words criticising Paul in my first words hence why the post has been deleted.
However, Paul is a qualified racing driver and should have shown more judgement/restraint and less enthusiasm especially given the proximity of the crowd.
Too many times we have seen high powered cars or cars travelling too fast at these events end up wiping out crowds and injuring/maiming/killing people.
So I retract my initial statement but stand by the sentiment of criticising said driver.
Hope all involved pull through and the little girl is OK
However, Paul is a qualified racing driver and should have shown more judgement/restraint and less enthusiasm especially given the proximity of the crowd.
Too many times we have seen high powered cars or cars travelling too fast at these events end up wiping out crowds and injuring/maiming/killing people.
So I retract my initial statement but stand by the sentiment of criticising said driver.
Hope all involved pull through and the little girl is OK
Schermerhorn said:
Perhaps I was abit too harsh in my choice of words criticising Paul in my first words hence why the post has been deleted.
However, Paul is a qualified racing driver and should have shown more judgement/restraint and less enthusiasm especially given the proximity of the crowd.
Too many times we have seen high powered cars or cars travelling too fast at these events end up wiping out crowds and injuring/maiming/killing people.
So I retract my initial statement but stand by the sentiment of criticising said driver.
Hope all involved pull through and the little girl is OK
Until PB issues a statement, there is a huge unknown. For instance did he raise concerns with the organisers but was still encouraged to drive at certain speeds, or did he alternatively drive in a style that was unexpected/not encouraged by the organisers. However, Paul is a qualified racing driver and should have shown more judgement/restraint and less enthusiasm especially given the proximity of the crowd.
Too many times we have seen high powered cars or cars travelling too fast at these events end up wiping out crowds and injuring/maiming/killing people.
So I retract my initial statement but stand by the sentiment of criticising said driver.
Hope all involved pull through and the little girl is OK
Assuming the organisers knew and potentially actively encouraged driving at certain speeds on a course that was totally inadequately protected, did PB find himself in an uncomfortable position where he didn't want to let people down at a charity event. Until we know more, we simply don't know the extent to which PB should take blame. But we do know the organisers had a shambolic approach to safety.
mattf93 said:
This is MASSIVELY infuriating bringing this up as this has nothing whatsoever to do with the unfortunate circumstances yesterday. Ive lived in Rutland all my life, I have spoken to Paul on a few occasions, it really wouldn't surprise me if you were his gold digging next door neighbour considering your comments. You strike me as someone that isn't in complete possession of the facts of his legal situation with his neighbour and have merely read the local paper and regurgitated what is said in there. 'Hamlet of 20 houses' Where his house is located there is one neighbour. and the rest are a good distance (3/4mile or more away) so another error.
The main reason the next door neighbours sued him is the fact they're struggling for money, add that to the fact they had their planning applications turned down for toilet/shower blocks for their campsite business just weakened their position. Trying to claim against the Baileys for using their property for business when they themselves run a campsite and use their property for weddings and events? I think you are mistaken for thinking that the neighbour is completely the innocent party.
In addition to your comments of the cars/garages I saw the accepted planning applications that Paul submitted and they were fairly exhaustive and what he could and couldnt do and materials he could and couldnt use. And the annoyance of a few cars starting up is absolutely pathetic.
In relation to his driving he doesnt drive like a nutter all the time - far from it so I don't quite see where your driving criticisms are coming from either? I have been behind him on many occasions and he hasn't been speeding (including NSL zones). He also is a racing driver, did you even know that? Or have you once again made an assumption of a man you do not know? You seem to be brushing paul with a slight generalisation that all new residents in rutland are driving like they have a rocket up their backside - somewhat a sweeping incorrect statement.
I find most of your comments irrelevant particularly those that are to do with his current legal matter, It wouldn't surprise me if you've never seen one of his cars on the road or out and about driving. Just infuriating jealousy, or thats how your argument tends to read in my eyes.
BACK to the point of the OP a shocking situation which is a combination of driver error, 'track' layout, and laughable public safety protection. You CANNOT pin the whole blame on Paul whatsoever, this is a freak accident and I think some need to remember this before laying down insulting comments about Paul. All I wish that all injured parties recover as soon as possible and am praying that there will be no loss of life.
From what you're saying at least, it sounds like you, like me have lived in this County for the whole of your life. Clearly we've both however witnessed and heard from others of differing opinions of his standard of driving and general attitude. The main reason the next door neighbours sued him is the fact they're struggling for money, add that to the fact they had their planning applications turned down for toilet/shower blocks for their campsite business just weakened their position. Trying to claim against the Baileys for using their property for business when they themselves run a campsite and use their property for weddings and events? I think you are mistaken for thinking that the neighbour is completely the innocent party.
In addition to your comments of the cars/garages I saw the accepted planning applications that Paul submitted and they were fairly exhaustive and what he could and couldnt do and materials he could and couldnt use. And the annoyance of a few cars starting up is absolutely pathetic.
In relation to his driving he doesnt drive like a nutter all the time - far from it so I don't quite see where your driving criticisms are coming from either? I have been behind him on many occasions and he hasn't been speeding (including NSL zones). He also is a racing driver, did you even know that? Or have you once again made an assumption of a man you do not know? You seem to be brushing paul with a slight generalisation that all new residents in rutland are driving like they have a rocket up their backside - somewhat a sweeping incorrect statement.
I find most of your comments irrelevant particularly those that are to do with his current legal matter, It wouldn't surprise me if you've never seen one of his cars on the road or out and about driving. Just infuriating jealousy, or thats how your argument tends to read in my eyes.
BACK to the point of the OP a shocking situation which is a combination of driver error, 'track' layout, and laughable public safety protection. You CANNOT pin the whole blame on Paul whatsoever, this is a freak accident and I think some need to remember this before laying down insulting comments about Paul. All I wish that all injured parties recover as soon as possible and am praying that there will be no loss of life.
Edited by mattf93 on Monday 5th October 12:17
You're no more in possession of the full facts of this incident than the rest of us are - All this stuff we're all posting is just personal opinion with a few related and sometimes unrelated facts. We're all entitled to air our opinions on a forum such as this without suffering personal insults from each other. The sensitivities of some may lead them to claim that I've insulted those injured/involved by bringing up some of what I've posted - It wasn't my intention - I certainly haven't as you seem to be claiming, directed any insulting comments at the driver of the car or for that matter you or anyone else - Indeed there are posts on this thread where others have. That's their prerogative.
I don't claim and really don't have any relationship whatsoever with either party. You claim to, and if it's so, you would of course naturally come to that party's defence.
Like many, I am entirely aware of where the Baileys' home is, only because their activities and just life in a small village and rural County where everyone at least knows of each other mean it's not exactly a secret! Also because the complainant in their court case is not the only person in the village with a complaint. Again, this isn't a secret.
Contrary to what you wrote, there are no errors in what I've said about access to and from it and the issues those who have, have mentioned.
As I stated in my post, it really is up to the courts to decide on the rights and wrongs of his and the complainants legal position. The allegations are in the public domain. The personal circumstances of either party are not.
To state that you think my posts are motivated by envy of the Baileys' financial position when you have absolutely no knowledge of my own, and when I have made my motivation absolutely clear, is as irrelevant as the claims you make about the financial position of the other party you mention. Unless you've access to the financial records of either party, you and I know nothing of them at all.
Naturally there are those who don't agree with what I've posted. There are posts in this thread unrelated to mine that I too entirely disagree with. Where would we be without the ability to freely discuss what we like and simply agree to disagree? On yes...of course...China.
jhoneyball said:
The cold hard reality is that if you want to raise money for a charity, write a cheque. If you wont do that without getting something for youself (a ride in a fast car, a evening at an art gallery, or whatever) then you are a fairly sad person.
He and others like him draw crowds to charity events, and it allows people who wouldn't normally see cars like this see them in demonstration runs rather than in static displays or not at all.It is a tragic event and like most here I would like to wish a full and speedy recovery to all affected by this accident.
I do agree though that better safety barriers should be used when cars are going to be travelling at high speed.
jonby said:
Schermerhorn said:
Perhaps I was abit too harsh in my choice of words criticising Paul in my first words hence why the post has been deleted.
However, Paul is a qualified racing driver and should have shown more judgement/restraint and less enthusiasm especially given the proximity of the crowd.
Too many times we have seen high powered cars or cars travelling too fast at these events end up wiping out crowds and injuring/maiming/killing people.
So I retract my initial statement but stand by the sentiment of criticising said driver.
Hope all involved pull through and the little girl is OK
Until PB issues a statement, there is a huge unknown. For instance did he raise concerns with the organisers but was still encouraged to drive at certain speeds, or did he alternatively drive in a style that was unexpected/not encouraged by the organisers. However, Paul is a qualified racing driver and should have shown more judgement/restraint and less enthusiasm especially given the proximity of the crowd.
Too many times we have seen high powered cars or cars travelling too fast at these events end up wiping out crowds and injuring/maiming/killing people.
So I retract my initial statement but stand by the sentiment of criticising said driver.
Hope all involved pull through and the little girl is OK
Assuming the organisers knew and potentially actively encouraged driving at certain speeds on a course that was totally inadequately protected, did PB find himself in an uncomfortable position where he didn't want to let people down at a charity event. Until we know more, we simply don't know the extent to which PB should take blame. But we do know the organisers had a shambolic approach to safety.
I hope lessons will be learned and future organisers of these types of events have a more safety-first approach first.
cayman-black said:
More like it, some people just see these cars and thats it they are going too fast and the car is too loud bla bla bla.
That's sometimes the case, yes. I've been unfairly accused of similar behaviour by a neighbour in the past and ironically, I'd say in that case the complaint was driven mainly by envy. There were certainly no other grounds that I could see - But there are also many occasions where people driving similar cars are driving too fast in a car that's stand-alone loud when pushed-on in a relatively built up area - In that, I can't say I'm entirely innocent either. I shouldn't think anyone else here can either without fear their noses might grow a few inches. Edited by RutlandWebster on Monday 5th October 13:23
RutlandWebster said:
Just to respond to some of the replies to other people's earlier posts, it's not always the case that those who criticise someone who is successful are envious - I think a lot of people here would agree that whilst it can sometimes be true, we also know that money is no substitute for and can't necessarily buy driving talent or good manners.
I don't know the man personally, and from some of the first hand accounts I've heard, I don't wish to. However there are a large number of people here in Britain's smallest county where he and his wife live who both do and don't know the Baileys, and have encountered them and more specifically Mr Bailey's driving, who won't be a bit surprised that something like this has eventually happened.
From all accounts he's another of a growing band of people who have moved here who bring nothing more of benefit to Rutland than Council Tax revenue, but have very little understanding or care for the special sensitivities of the local environment they've chosen to be part of with the rest of us, or enough consideration for those who already live in it.
Whilst not directly related to this particular incident, the couple are currently pitted against their neighbours in the courts in a case whose nature might or might not give some credence to the comments made about this man in earlier posts. As always, I speak as I find.
The Baileys are accused of running their supercar hire and wedding planning businesses from their home next to a nature reserve in a tiny hamlet on the peninsula that juts out into Rutland Water - The land the house is built on was sold to them with a caveat that they absolutely must not ever carry on a business of any sort from the grounds.
It's for the courts to decide whether or not the allegations are true, and indeed whether the complainants are themselves behaving fairly, so in order that libel laws are respected, this isn't the place to speculate - It's fair to say though that the noise and movements of 30 odd supercars kept for any period at that address could be a source of disturbance in a tiny hamlet of 20 or so houses and the one and only single track road that runs up to it and eventually to a dead end on the shore of Rutland Water itself. That's why the caveat excluding the operation of any business activities exists.
Commenting more directly to this latest reported incident, the combination of the many cyclists drawn to the area in part by Rutland Water, the huge amount of equestrian activity (which is out of proportion with most rural areas of the UK), the number of tourists and passers-through who simply don't know the very inviting roads, means we have an almost unique set of circumstances that requires a great deal of care by drivers - That doesn't mean one has to potter. It means appropriate use of speed must be applied at all times as you never know what's around the next corner, or what's going to jump out of a hedge, no matter how well you know the road.
As anyone who has lived here for any length of time, or anyone who has bothered to observe whilst visiting will have realised, we are quite a laid back part of the world, and tend to drive at below 20/30/40 limits and as fast as is safe and appropriate elsewhere.....Some of the more recent arrivals seem to think speed limits in villages and towns have an invisible "ish" on the end and that everyone should hear them coming and going.
I hope everyone involved in this horrible incident including the driver and his passenger recovers. I for one will be pulling a bit further into the hedge the next time I see one of Mr Bailey's cars on the road.
What the hell has that got to do with anything?!I don't know the man personally, and from some of the first hand accounts I've heard, I don't wish to. However there are a large number of people here in Britain's smallest county where he and his wife live who both do and don't know the Baileys, and have encountered them and more specifically Mr Bailey's driving, who won't be a bit surprised that something like this has eventually happened.
From all accounts he's another of a growing band of people who have moved here who bring nothing more of benefit to Rutland than Council Tax revenue, but have very little understanding or care for the special sensitivities of the local environment they've chosen to be part of with the rest of us, or enough consideration for those who already live in it.
Whilst not directly related to this particular incident, the couple are currently pitted against their neighbours in the courts in a case whose nature might or might not give some credence to the comments made about this man in earlier posts. As always, I speak as I find.
The Baileys are accused of running their supercar hire and wedding planning businesses from their home next to a nature reserve in a tiny hamlet on the peninsula that juts out into Rutland Water - The land the house is built on was sold to them with a caveat that they absolutely must not ever carry on a business of any sort from the grounds.
It's for the courts to decide whether or not the allegations are true, and indeed whether the complainants are themselves behaving fairly, so in order that libel laws are respected, this isn't the place to speculate - It's fair to say though that the noise and movements of 30 odd supercars kept for any period at that address could be a source of disturbance in a tiny hamlet of 20 or so houses and the one and only single track road that runs up to it and eventually to a dead end on the shore of Rutland Water itself. That's why the caveat excluding the operation of any business activities exists.
Commenting more directly to this latest reported incident, the combination of the many cyclists drawn to the area in part by Rutland Water, the huge amount of equestrian activity (which is out of proportion with most rural areas of the UK), the number of tourists and passers-through who simply don't know the very inviting roads, means we have an almost unique set of circumstances that requires a great deal of care by drivers - That doesn't mean one has to potter. It means appropriate use of speed must be applied at all times as you never know what's around the next corner, or what's going to jump out of a hedge, no matter how well you know the road.
As anyone who has lived here for any length of time, or anyone who has bothered to observe whilst visiting will have realised, we are quite a laid back part of the world, and tend to drive at below 20/30/40 limits and as fast as is safe and appropriate elsewhere.....Some of the more recent arrivals seem to think speed limits in villages and towns have an invisible "ish" on the end and that everyone should hear them coming and going.
I hope everyone involved in this horrible incident including the driver and his passenger recovers. I for one will be pulling a bit further into the hedge the next time I see one of Mr Bailey's cars on the road.
Ive read some of these comments and cant believe the slagging off Paul has got. Come on guys this is a tragic event. I feel sorry for Paul.. he has gone out of his way. To allow others to share his fantastic cars and help a charity and as soon as something goes wrong he is blamed? Looking at the videos the most incredible thing is 1. The crowds shouldnt be there and 2. Where are the proper barriers we all take for granted as spectators. Knowing this is an airfield and only temp barriers are available those people just shouldnt have been there. I hope all involved get well which is all that matters at the moment
I don't have any comment either way about the owner of the 918. I would also urge caution from those who form an opinion based on 'my neighbours friends best friend says he was once rude to him' etc, rather than actual first hand experience or simply because he is in a fortunate position to own lovely cars and may or may not also prompt publicity. Likewise, some local planning argument really has little refection on a person.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing in cases like this, but remember no one set out to create a dangerous situation, organisers or driver. Unfortunately it takes cases like this to highlight dangers or cases where the dangers were not properly controlled. It far too easy now to point out, chicanes could have been tighter, concrete barriers in place, crowds kept back from concrete barriers, possible speed limits etc etc.
I think it is irrelevant trying to suggest the driver was reckless in relation to speed or speculate on whether TC was on or off. Other videos at the event show a fast car being driven quickly, but in a controlled manner. No show boating power slides. The course set up has clearly shown that some consideration was applied to trying to slow the cars down.
However it is clearly apparent now that the speed and nature of how things could go wrong were underestimated.
I'm not sure whether it was the grass which caused the loss of traction or whether the car was already starting to over steer through the chicane.
If the event is ever repeated i'm sure the set up will be vastly different and other events of a similar nature will take note. At this time though, I hope no one loses their life and they recover from their injuries.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing in cases like this, but remember no one set out to create a dangerous situation, organisers or driver. Unfortunately it takes cases like this to highlight dangers or cases where the dangers were not properly controlled. It far too easy now to point out, chicanes could have been tighter, concrete barriers in place, crowds kept back from concrete barriers, possible speed limits etc etc.
I think it is irrelevant trying to suggest the driver was reckless in relation to speed or speculate on whether TC was on or off. Other videos at the event show a fast car being driven quickly, but in a controlled manner. No show boating power slides. The course set up has clearly shown that some consideration was applied to trying to slow the cars down.
However it is clearly apparent now that the speed and nature of how things could go wrong were underestimated.
I'm not sure whether it was the grass which caused the loss of traction or whether the car was already starting to over steer through the chicane.
If the event is ever repeated i'm sure the set up will be vastly different and other events of a similar nature will take note. At this time though, I hope no one loses their life and they recover from their injuries.
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