New V6 Mondeo?

[Fastdruid]

I wonder if Ford have been listening to my moaning on the lack of any decent engines for the Mondeo?

No interesting engines since they got rid of the 2.5T in 2010, it's about time they put something decent in it again.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/407653/2017-ford-monde...

Now, fingers crossed it's got a manual gearbox option if it comes to the UK!

[Catbus]

Meh. Nowhere near as pretty/handsome as the ST220. Still, a step in the right direction!

[DonFresh]

aparently there is a mondeo ST in the pipeworks so hopefully it will have a decent engine and decent styling

[zedx19]

I do wish they'd make a properly hot Mondeo, current crop isn't quick enough. I'm saying this as an owner of a 240PS Ecoboost Mondeo Estate as well, which I love for all round duties, but just feels like it needs more grunt.

[Fastdruid]

zedx19 said:

I do wish they'd make a properly hot Mondeo, current crop isn't quick enough. I'm saying this as an owner of a 240PS Ecoboost Mondeo Estate as well, which I love for all round duties, but just feels like it needs more grunt.

Should have got the 2.5T.

The 2.0T has more power and probably quicker at the top end but in the midrange doesn't have a patch on the 2.5T. Plus it's auto-only.

I'd still have liked a properly quick version though, it's basically as quick as a lukewarm hatch (eg Focus STD, Golf GTD etc).

[anonymous-user]

Focus STD?

[Fastdruid]

sleepera6 said:

Focus STD?

I know, they're very careful to call it the Focus ST diesel but really what else did they expect!

Although having looked up the specs of the STD it appears I'm wrong, my Mondeo estate is a reasonable amount quicker than the STD.

Edited by Fastdruid on Tuesday 20th December 17:40

[Glasgowrob]

Still even if they offered the 4wd Mondeo with a little more oomph say 280 horses to go head to head with the hot superb

Or give it a stinking big supercharged 5l v8 and watch the aussies get all excited

[zedx19]

http://www.fordcarsinfo.com/2017/2017-ford-mondeo-...

According to this, a twin turbo Ecoboost with 325bhp might make its way to Europe.

"Engine Specs and performance

Ford has added a Sport trim to the Fusion. Possibly, it will be offered as the Mondeo ST as said earlier in Europe. This trim is powered by an EcoBoost engine. The twin-turbocharged mill is good for 325 hp and 350 lb-ft of torque.

[VX0075]

Do think ford are missing a fast ford for mondeo and family saloon class, big v8 would do but certainly should look to reserrect the Mondeo ST in some description

[Fastdruid]

I would *so* buy one with a V8. Probably unfortunately one of only about 5 people who would though which is why they don't make them.

>100k diseasels and ~1k 2.5T's which would you bother with if you were Ford?

[mfp4073]

A V8 Mondeo sounds nice. Ford would sell quite a few in America and Australia.
With the new UK road farce/tax system Ford could sell a decent number in the UK.
(it's now going to get cheaper to tax cars with bigger engines)
I really can't believe I still have to fork out £515.00 this year to tax my Monaro....and its bloody well 11 years old.

[hernerover]

Yes its' due soon in the USA...Ford Fusion Sport, 300 odd bhp twin turbo V6 with part time 4WD. Spiritual successor to the Mazda 6 MPS.

[SebringMan]

Fastdruid said:

Should have got the 2.5T.

The 2.0T has more power and probably quicker at the top end but in the midrange doesn't have a patch on the 2.5T. Plus it's auto-only.

I'd still have liked a properly quick version though, it's basically as quick as a lukewarm hatch (eg Focus STD, Golf GTD etc).

I occasionally smoke around in a 2.5T. They are superb machines and IMO very underrated! If I had any sense whatsoever I've have bought one over the M3 as a daily. £1k with one of those takes you up to 300BHP as well with stacks of torque .

Fastdruid said:

I would *so* buy one with a V8. Probably unfortunately one of only about 5 people who would though which is why they don't make them.

>100k diseasels and ~1k 2.5T's which would you bother with if you were Ford?

This. There was very little demand for the 2.5Ts. When I occasionally drive the 2.5T people at work or in some of my circles say

"it's a bit meaty sounding, is it not a diesel?"

I then reply:

"It's a 2.5T ; The Volvo engine" (it actually has Volvo coils and Volvo written on practically even part!).

"You must be nuts ; that must cost you a fortune on fuel!"

"Yes ; around 25+MPG around town and 35MPG on a run"

"My Mondeo 2.0 can do 70MPG..."

[Fastdruid]

SebringMan said:

Fastdruid said:

Should have got the 2.5T.

The 2.0T has more power and probably quicker at the top end but in the midrange doesn't have a patch on the 2.5T. Plus it's auto-only.

I'd still have liked a properly quick version though, it's basically as quick as a lukewarm hatch (eg Focus STD, Golf GTD etc).

I occasionally smoke around in a 2.5T. They are superb machines and IMO very underrated! If I had any sense whatsoever I've have bought one over the M3 as a daily. £1k with one of those takes you up to 300BHP as well with stacks of torque .

It's not slow even as stock. I love mine as a daily. Cheap to run (apart from it eats tyres), reliable, comfortable, lovely to drive and quick.

Evo reviewed it and said it was "almost certainly nicer to drive than pretty much any Audi bar the RS4" but that no one would buy it and would buy the car with the posher badge.

SebringMan said:

Fastdruid said:

I would *so* buy one with a V8. Probably unfortunately one of only about 5 people who would though which is why they don't make them.

>100k diseasels and ~1k 2.5T's which would you bother with if you were Ford?

This. There was very little demand for the 2.5Ts. When I occasionally drive the 2.5T people at work or in some of my circles say

"it's a bit meaty sounding, is it not a diesel?"

I then reply:

"It's a 2.5T ; The Volvo engine" (it actually has Volvo coils and Volvo written on practically even part!).

"You must be nuts ; that must cost you a fortune on fuel!"

"Yes ; around 25+MPG around town and 35MPG on a run"

"My Mondeo 2.0 can do 70MPG..."

Yep, same as. 25mpg round town and 34-37mpg on a run. Given that I only do <2.5kpa personal miles frankly I don't give a stuff about doing 70mpg. It's all about how nice the engine is and the 2.5T is a peach (although a little bit more top end would be nice).

[SebringMan]

Fastdruid said:

Yep, same as. 25mpg round town and 34-37mpg on a run. Given that I only do <2.5kpa personal miles frankly I don't give a stuff about doing 70mpg. It's all about how nice the engine is and the 2.5T is a peach (although a little bit more top end would be nice).

The 70MPG was a figure I put in for the boasters. Whenever I have tried a 2.0TDCI I have not come close to 50MPG on a commute. On a 70MPH run, then even 50MPG is around the ballpark. Even an Insignia was doing 50MPH on a 10 mile trip, 6 of which are motorway miles with little traffic elsewhere.

The top end pull is my main gripe. Below 4k it's lovely! I wonder if a remap would sort it but my gut says it's a turbo sizing issue.

As for Evo praising it I am surprised! It does so many things so well. The gearchange is light and fairly precise, the clutch is great. It handles really well, and it is a car you can drive on a long trip, especially with adaptive cruise control.

The badge snobs are welcome to stay away from it. It's IMO one of the best kept secrets for good VFM motoring.

As for the tyres, go with Goodyear Eagle F1s. We am getting close to 20k out of them. It came with A2s on the front at 125k. At 147k, we went over to the A3s.

[Fastdruid]

SebringMan said:

The top end pull is my main gripe. Below 4k it's lovely! I wonder if a remap would sort it but my gut says it's a turbo sizing issue.

Yep. You can get more power up to about 5k but its then more noticeable that peak torque is way down low.
See a ST225 remap with the same engine for example.



Wants a new turbo if you want more top end (and as they are the same as the ST225 and RS they are available if you want) but in honesty for day to day I'm happy with the 1500-4500. It's a work horse not a sports car.

SebringMan said:

As for the tyres, go with Goodyear Eagle F1s. We am getting close to 20k out of them. It came with A2s on the front at 125k. At 147k, we went over to the A3s.

I have. Just gone from A2's to A3's. I don't get 20k out of them though.

[Darryl247W]

An over-cylindered hot Mondeo would be right up my street for a daily. I look back now and I'm sorry I missed out on the ST220.
I fear the UK will have to make do with 4 cylinders and auto. Prove me wrong please, Ford.

[njw1]

I was thinking about this the other day, I thought that what Ford should do is go one better than a new Mondeo ST and do a Mondeo RS, preferably with running gear from the new Mustang, V8, manual 'box, rwd and 400+ bhp in a Mondeo anyone?

[culpz]

The correct pricing will be key though. Placing it in a bracket between the Fiesta ST, Focus ST, Focus RS and the Mustang could be tricky if you think about it. However, Ford may very well do some decent finance offers, no doubt, which is what gets new cars out the door now anyway.