Diesel Scrappage scheme?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/02/officia...
We can but hope!
(Take this to mean either "hurrah, get rid of those horrible stinky diesels" or "hurrah, I can trade in my old diesel and get a new one" depending on love/hate of diesels).
We can but hope!
(Take this to mean either "hurrah, get rid of those horrible stinky diesels" or "hurrah, I can trade in my old diesel and get a new one" depending on love/hate of diesels).
Why should right-thinking petrol driving taxpayers have to subsidise diseasal audi driving reps? The dirtiness of diesels has always been apparent to anyone who cared to look.
If fiscal policy has to be used for this then it should be done by massively increasing VED on old diesel cars - in a revenue neutral manner by massively lowering that paid by high capacity petrol car drivers like myself.
If fiscal policy has to be used for this then it should be done by massively increasing VED on old diesel cars - in a revenue neutral manner by massively lowering that paid by high capacity petrol car drivers like myself.
Somewhatfoolish said:
Why should right-thinking petrol driving taxpayers have to subsidise diseasal audi driving reps? The dirtiness of diesels has always been apparent to anyone who cared to look.
If fiscal policy has to be used for this then it should be done by massively increasing VED on old diesel cars - in a revenue neutral manner by massively lowering that paid by high capacity petrol car drivers like myself.
Spot on! you get my vote..If fiscal policy has to be used for this then it should be done by massively increasing VED on old diesel cars - in a revenue neutral manner by massively lowering that paid by high capacity petrol car drivers like myself.
I often wonder if politicians have to attend a secret underground facility for special training ...on how to really arse simple thing's up.
The problem you have is that modern diesels with Diesel Particulate Filters, EU6 additives etc are not the problem...it's the old s
tters from the days where the only thing that mattered was the mpg you could get out of a car. Some of the smoking old piles of crap on the roads are truly gag inducing.
Taxing the fuel hits clean and dirty alike, fuel type surcharges likewise.
The MOT stations should be ratcheting the standards up and issuing scrappage vouchers for those on or near the limit.
tters from the days where the only thing that mattered was the mpg you could get out of a car. Some of the smoking old piles of crap on the roads are truly gag inducing.Taxing the fuel hits clean and dirty alike, fuel type surcharges likewise.
The MOT stations should be ratcheting the standards up and issuing scrappage vouchers for those on or near the limit.
Id love to chop in my 3ltr diesel for a tesla 3 but that's not what this is about is it?
Its about stimulating the new car market, whats happened about the manufacturers that lied about emissions? what levies have been put on imported could that have come on highly polluting shipping and from factories that are not the best when it comes to emissions..
Its all bks isn't it...
Its about stimulating the new car market, whats happened about the manufacturers that lied about emissions? what levies have been put on imported could that have come on highly polluting shipping and from factories that are not the best when it comes to emissions..
Its all b
ks isn't it...That last scrappage scheme had nothing to do with the environment and was really all about stimulating the motor industry, my local politician admitted as much in reply to my objections to it. Why should the responsible normal tax payer be helping people go and get a new car. From an overall environmental perspective scrapping a perfectly functioning vehicle to replace with a new one makes no sense even if the new one is supposed to be more efficient. If the life cycle environmental cost is considered it will never stack up, that is before you consider that many of the new cars bought in reality once not on the NEDC are no where near as efficient as they claimed.
I will be strongly objecting to funding a new scrappage scheme, they should be encouraging people away from diesel through taxes. They could start by re banding the cheaters and then gradually put more fuel duty on diesel and introduce city center charges for diesel vehicles, taxi's included. Yes there will be some wining from the tdi brigade as their cars residuals drop but that's life, no one cared too much when the values of large petrol engined cars fell in value when the fuel price shot up.
What we really need is a bit of proper joined up thinking on transport. If we really want to improve air quality we should get rid of diesel taxi's and buses in our city centers, a bus that keeps stopping every few yards has to be the perfect candidate for a plug in hybrid system with regenerative braking. Maybe get back to promoting LPG, after all the tailpipe emissions are much cleaner than any heavier hydrocarbon. It wouldn't solve the CO2 emmision but would improve air quality.
I used to cycle to work but concluded that riding through stationary/slow moving traffic belching out mainly diesel fumes was more harmful to my health than sitting in the pub drinking beer.
I will be strongly objecting to funding a new scrappage scheme, they should be encouraging people away from diesel through taxes. They could start by re banding the cheaters and then gradually put more fuel duty on diesel and introduce city center charges for diesel vehicles, taxi's included. Yes there will be some wining from the tdi brigade as their cars residuals drop but that's life, no one cared too much when the values of large petrol engined cars fell in value when the fuel price shot up.
What we really need is a bit of proper joined up thinking on transport. If we really want to improve air quality we should get rid of diesel taxi's and buses in our city centers, a bus that keeps stopping every few yards has to be the perfect candidate for a plug in hybrid system with regenerative braking. Maybe get back to promoting LPG, after all the tailpipe emissions are much cleaner than any heavier hydrocarbon. It wouldn't solve the CO2 emmision but would improve air quality.
I used to cycle to work but concluded that riding through stationary/slow moving traffic belching out mainly diesel fumes was more harmful to my health than sitting in the pub drinking beer.
What planet are you lot on? I take it all homes that have oil central heating should be knocked down and rebuilt to Government energy rating A standards? God forbid you ever catch a diesel train or go on a ferry. I know, let's tax ALL diesel engines so that everyone is forced into poverty by getting new cars on the never never. I have a great idea, let's tax the hell out of diesel engines and really stick the fingers up to the entire UK road haulage industry. But, hey, you'll be fine. Driving around in your hybrid £40k motor. At least all the poor will be taxed off the roads and you can enjoy a nice quiet drive.
Everything you buy at every shop found its way there by diesel power. Everytime you turn on a lightswitch in your house that was built by men in diesel vans the power is carried by cables fitted and maintained by people in diesel vans trucks and plant. Same with the maintenance of the power stations. Even those electric cars that dolphin huggers jizz over the lithium and rare earth minerals were mined by diesel plant machinery. Every single who thinks he is holier than thou because he doesn't drive a diesel is deluded that he isn't burning diesel in other ways. If you really truly hate diesel that much switch off your computer, throw away your car and house keys, stip naked and run off into the woods and spend the rest of your life foraging for nuts and berries.
who thinks he is holier than thou because he doesn't drive a diesel is deluded that he isn't burning diesel in other ways. If you really truly hate diesel that much switch off your computer, throw away your car and house keys, stip naked and run off into the woods and spend the rest of your life foraging for nuts and berries.OldGermanHeaps said:
Everything you buy at every shop found its way there by diesel power. Everytime you turn on a lightswitch in your house that was built by men in diesel vans the power is carried by cables fitted and maintained by people in diesel vans trucks and plant. Same with the maintenance of the power stations. Even those electric cars that dolphin huggers jizz over the lithium and rare earth minerals were mined by diesel plant machinery. Every single who thinks he is holier than thou because he doesn't drive a diesel is deluded that he isn't burning diesel in other ways. If you really truly hate diesel that much switch off your computer, throw away your car and house keys, stip naked and run off into the woods and spend the rest of your life foraging for nuts and berries.
And? For those usages it's probably much harder to make the change, but for domestic car usage it's not that difficult. who thinks he is holier than thou because he doesn't drive a diesel is deluded that he isn't burning diesel in other ways. If you really truly hate diesel that much switch off your computer, throw away your car and house keys, stip naked and run off into the woods and spend the rest of your life foraging for nuts and berries.I find it strange that we see taxi upon taxi powered by VAG diesel, and yet you go somewhere like LA and the vast majority of Toyota Prius. How is that a hard swap?
If petrol was cheaper/diesel more expensive then the financial decision to buy diesel for motorway economy would be a lot tighter.
Similarly, electric car drivers all know their car isn't charged from the grid using renewable energy (even those that kid themselves on green tariffs), but it's still a cleaner and more efficient way to travel than running a ICE, especially within a town/city.
The biggest polluters are the ships that bring your goods from afar and the ferries that take you across the channel and think of the pollution a 747 creates as it flies over head, as I write this there are 282 such aircraft in the air over southern UK.
Unfortunately the BBC and newspapers have blown this issue up out of all propotion as usual. Gordon Brown's government instigated the slide towards diesel to reduce CO not that long ago, so there is a moral obligation on subsequent governments not to penalize those who bought diesel cars.
Where I live in north Essex we don't seem to have any problems with the odd lorry, coach or tractor that add to the numerous diesel cars. I won't be selling mine anytime soon as I enjoy the economy and performance it offers, I don't think running a 5lt car to equal the performance would help the environment any more than the car I currently own.
Unfortunately the BBC and newspapers have blown this issue up out of all propotion as usual. Gordon Brown's government instigated the slide towards diesel to reduce CO not that long ago, so there is a moral obligation on subsequent governments not to penalize those who bought diesel cars.
Where I live in north Essex we don't seem to have any problems with the odd lorry, coach or tractor that add to the numerous diesel cars. I won't be selling mine anytime soon as I enjoy the economy and performance it offers, I don't think running a 5lt car to equal the performance would help the environment any more than the car I currently own.
Diesel is the devils fuel ! Quite possibly in city centres but out it the sticks where I live I don't think it's much of s problem.
Moving cargo by ship is the most economical way to move stuff massive amount on one type of transportation.
Diesel is used in just about every that effects your life from deliverys to supermarkets high street shops then from the supermarkets to your homes via online shopping, all( most) online shopping will be delivered by a man in a van powered by diesel.
In order fo
Food is produced by diesel- tractors.
Roads , buildings, airports any thing that is built will be built by plant running on diesel.
Ironically the big big drag lines the dug most of the northeast opencast mines used to be powdered by electricity but back then the power stations ran primarily on coal.
Don't be hard on the diesel car owners as they were told it was better.
Moving cargo by ship is the most economical way to move stuff massive amount on one type of transportation.
Diesel is used in just about every that effects your life from deliverys to supermarkets high street shops then from the supermarkets to your homes via online shopping, all( most) online shopping will be delivered by a man in a van powered by diesel.
In order fo
Food is produced by diesel- tractors.
Roads , buildings, airports any thing that is built will be built by plant running on diesel.
Ironically the big big drag lines the dug most of the northeast opencast mines used to be powdered by electricity but back then the power stations ran primarily on coal.
Don't be hard on the diesel car owners as they were told it was better.
I think the bottom line is that diesel is going to be taxed hard over the next few years.There is no way on Earth I would buy one now that's for sure.
Once the number of diesel cars go into decline, the government will no doubt turn their attention to petrol cars again, and get people into the next generation of electric cars.
It will be interesting to see how they will then tax motorists after that!
Obviously countries like China and India will do what ever they want as usual.
Once the number of diesel cars go into decline, the government will no doubt turn their attention to petrol cars again, and get people into the next generation of electric cars.
It will be interesting to see how they will then tax motorists after that!
Obviously countries like China and India will do what ever they want as usual.
Like people have already said this scheme is to try and drum up industry, playing the pollution card to try and get people onborad. Petrol is harmful to the environment and diesel is harmful to humans. If governments were more concerned about the pollution than the industry they would still be offering scrapage schemes on petrol engine cars.
The fact that this will increase the demand for new cars will ultimately create an increase in industry emmissions caused by the increase in manufacturing and scrapping of old cars so pollution wise we are no better off.
Once the media has moved on to something else and the scheme has been and gone people will just go back to running diesels and petrols like they always have.
The fact that this will increase the demand for new cars will ultimately create an increase in industry emmissions caused by the increase in manufacturing and scrapping of old cars so pollution wise we are no better off.
Once the media has moved on to something else and the scheme has been and gone people will just go back to running diesels and petrols like they always have.
Funny how it's always the cars that are the issue. I work on some dirty diesel trains that chuck out loads of crap, most of the engines on them are 20-30 years old with no forms cats or ways of reducing emissions. Only the new trains we get have adblue, About time they looked more at these.
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