New Emissions charge for London

New Emissions charge for London

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StevenB

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777 posts

196 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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For Pre euro 4 Vehicles (about pre 2006)


https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surchar...

Jagmanv12

1,573 posts

163 months

Saturday 18th February 2017
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There's one option missing from "Options if emission standard not met".

Don't got to London. Then you don't need to pay.

Three idiot London mayors in a row. The voters only have themselves to blame.

chevy55

8,248 posts

235 months

Saturday 18th February 2017
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StevenB said:
For Pre euro 4 Vehicles (about pre 2006)


https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surchar...
What they don't mention too loudly is that if you have a diesel then it's anything pre 2014 pays £10 per day. I just hope they don't expand it to the S Circ, if they do it'll be time to retire from work or I could use one of my pre 1970 cars and not have to pay anything




Jagmanv12 said:
Three idiot London mayors in a row. The voters only have themselves to blame.
The problem is there doesn't seem to be any option other than idiot mayoral candidates, I saw no point in going out to vote.


Edited by chevy55 on Saturday 18th February 14:59

W124Bob

1,744 posts

174 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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Coming to a city near you, Greater Manchester getting an elected mayor (cheers Goerge Osborne) whether we want one or not so I expect this will be on the agenda soon.

stuart_83

1,002 posts

100 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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Wow, this is going to be REALLY expensive for the thousands of taxi drivers, bus companies and building contractors throughout the capital.

Because you wouldn't just enforce this "green" tax on the public would you?

CooperS

4,500 posts

218 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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I drove into London with my BMW i3 for the first time. It was mid week city centre and sitting there in silence and just listening to all the vans, cars and buses makes you realise these big cities have real problems with pollution that they need to address asap.

I'm not for one moment thinking I'm suddenly on par with the Pope in all this and EVs are saintly but cities will be a nicer place to be if people can begin to switch to cleaner cars.

chevy55

8,248 posts

235 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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CooperS said:
I drove into London with my BMW i3 for the first time. It was mid week city centre and sitting there in silence and just listening to all the vans, cars and buses makes you realise these big cities have real problems with pollution that they need to address asap.

I'm not for one moment thinking I'm suddenly on par with the Pope in all this and EVs are saintly but cities will be a nicer place to be if people can begin to switch to cleaner cars.
What would be even better is if you didn't drive any car into London or a big city

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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chevy55 said:
he problem is there doesn't seem to be any option other than idiot mayoral candidates, I saw no point in going out to vote.


Edited by chevy55 on Saturday 18th February 14:59
hes talking about making the low emission lorry zone cover all pre euro 6 diesel cars which is everything inside the m25?

vote for stupid people win stupid prizes smile

chevy55

8,248 posts

235 months

Friday 28th April 2017
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Dave Hedgehog said:
chevy55 said:
he problem is there doesn't seem to be any option other than idiot mayoral candidates, I saw no point in going out to vote.


Edited by chevy55 on Saturday 18th February 14:59
hes talking about making the low emission lorry zone cover all pre euro 6 diesel cars which is everything inside the m25?

vote for stupid people win stupid prizes smile
It's not quite that bad, the zone is expected to be within the north and south circs from 2021 but yes it'll exclude and diesel not Euro 6 or better and made before 2014 and all petrols pre 2005 (I think). As I live a mile outside the S circ and work the other side of the Blackwall tunnel it looks like I'll be retiring a year early.
One point to note is anything can change before 2021 and I fully expect a complete ban on diesels coming soon.

CooperS

4,500 posts

218 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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chevy55 said:
CooperS said:
I drove into London with my BMW i3 for the first time. It was mid week city centre and sitting there in silence and just listening to all the vans, cars and buses makes you realise these big cities have real problems with pollution that they need to address asap.

I'm not for one moment thinking I'm suddenly on par with the Pope in all this and EVs are saintly but cities will be a nicer place to be if people can begin to switch to cleaner cars.
What would be even better is if you didn't drive any car into London or a big city
Sure just let me know when it won't cost me £40 In rail fare with the world renowned reliability of keep to schedule. Oh and the sweaty, dirty and smelly experience that is the underground.

Including parking for 6 hours near Victoria Station the travel for my wife and I came to £15 (£12 Was the parking). We walked to our things as it was sunny.

Just a shame that you couldn't drive with the windows down.

The Motorist

105 posts

144 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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It's all a compromise. Loads of people trying to get into London. Public transport not always flexible enough. Loads of building work going on so vehicles in and out. Pollution has always been a problem Anyone remember the Houses Of Parliament being jet black before they scrubbed the stonework in the early '80s? I guess we will one day look back and talk about the days when people used to put diesel, diesel! of all things! in their cars. We are writing and reading on the internet. Twenty five or so years ago we weren't, so times change. The real problem for governments is how to capture the revenue. Whole countries have been supported by fuel. This is why electric cars stopped being produced in the 19th century. Yes true! The internal combustion engine was a great source of revenue. Electric cars were expensive, had short range and were expensive to produce. All this in the late 1800s

chevy55

8,248 posts

235 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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CooperS said:
chevy55 said:
CooperS said:
I drove into London with my BMW i3 for the first time. It was mid week city centre and sitting there in silence and just listening to all the vans, cars and buses makes you realise these big cities have real problems with pollution that they need to address asap.

I'm not for one moment thinking I'm suddenly on par with the Pope in all this and EVs are saintly but cities will be a nicer place to be if people can begin to switch to cleaner cars.
What would be even better is if you didn't drive any car into London or a big city
Sure just let me know when it won't cost me £40 In rail fare with the world renowned reliability of keep to schedule. Oh and the sweaty, dirty and smelly experience that is the underground.

Including parking for 6 hours near Victoria Station the travel for my wife and I came to £15 (£12 Was the parking). We walked to our things as it was sunny.

Just a shame that you couldn't drive with the windows down.
That was the next question I was going to ask, unfortunately I drive in London daily and see all the cars sitting in jams heading into town and wondered where they all park. Last time i went into town by train (earlier this year I think) it was just under a fiver, two journeys on overground and two on the DLR, I think the trick is to use a touch credit card and not physically buy a ticket, that would have been at least £15.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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It's been public long enough... Consultations started four years ago, ffs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-214434...
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surchar...

It's the Congestion Charge area and times. No more than that.

chevy55

8,248 posts

235 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
It's been public long enough... Consultations started four years ago, ffs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-214434...
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surchar...

It's the Congestion Charge area and times. No more than that.
It's being expanded to within the n/s circular in 2019 or 2021 depending on Citizen Khan's whim on the day

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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chevy55 said:
t's being expanded to within the n/s circular in 2019 or 2021 depending on Citizen Khan's whim on the day
It might. Or it might not.

If you're that bothered, I presume you've replied to the consultation that's currently open?
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/environment/air-q...

But, even then, it's only the current Congestion zone - just 24/7.

chevy55

8,248 posts

235 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
It might. Or it might not.

If you're that bothered, I presume you've replied to the consultation that's currently open?
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/environment/air-q...

But, even then, it's only the current Congestion zone - just 24/7.
Feck me, yet another consultation just like the last consultation on this I filled out last year

SebastienClement

1,950 posts

139 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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I have a 2001 petrol Rover 75. Obviously it was built and registered before 2005. However the online checked for the T-charge states I would not need to pay it, and my car conforms to euro4 standards.

That's not right, is it?

chevy55

8,248 posts

235 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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SebastienClement said:
I have a 2001 petrol Rover 75. Obviously it was built and registered before 2005. However the online checked for the T-charge states I would not need to pay it, and my car conforms to euro4 standards.

That's not right, is it?
Did you use the checker that uses the reg No. I just checked my diesel Mondeo which apparently is Euro 4 and that is OK for the T charge but not the ULEZ when it comes in.

SebastienClement

1,950 posts

139 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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chevy55 said:
Did you use the checker that uses the reg No. I just checked my diesel Mondeo which apparently is Euro 4 and that is OK for the T charge but not the ULEZ when it comes in.
Yes - according to reg check it's fine until the ULEZ crap happens - and then it fails because it's too old (my arse).

chevy55

8,248 posts

235 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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SebastienClement said:
chevy55 said:
Did you use the checker that uses the reg No. I just checked my diesel Mondeo which apparently is Euro 4 and that is OK for the T charge but not the ULEZ when it comes in.
Yes - according to reg check it's fine until the ULEZ crap happens - and then it fails because it's too old (my arse).
The stupid thing about all that is my 4.2 Jaguar, my 62 year old 6 litre V8 Chevy and my MGB are fine for both, obviously they are very green engines. rolleyes