Driving Tests: Why are more men passing than women?
Discussion
Glosphil said:
mersontheperson said:
My wife is an excellent driver, her dad was a Motorsport fantatic, has owned loads of Ferraris, Aston’s etc. she, her sister and brother all passed first time as they were driving enthusiasts, who grew up with cars. My two brothers and I grew up in a house whose family business was road haulage, we all were desperate to get our first licenses and all passed first time.
My point is that people who are motoring enthusiasts are more likely to pass first time. This is why I think the manual pass rate is higher than auto.
Of course there are lots of women who are keen motorists, and I highly suspect their pass rates are similar to men with the same interest, but more men have a passion for motoring generally.
Also some people just take lessons and tests because they have to or think they need to, and maybe more of these are women compared to men. I guess these are the ones who struggle to pass
So you think driving an auto means you are not a motoring enthusiast! Rather a sweeping (& wrong) statement. My point is that people who are motoring enthusiasts are more likely to pass first time. This is why I think the manual pass rate is higher than auto.
Of course there are lots of women who are keen motorists, and I highly suspect their pass rates are similar to men with the same interest, but more men have a passion for motoring generally.
Also some people just take lessons and tests because they have to or think they need to, and maybe more of these are women compared to men. I guess these are the ones who struggle to pass
Glosphil said:
mersontheperson said:
My wife is an excellent driver, her dad was a Motorsport fantatic, has owned loads of Ferraris, Aston’s etc. she, her sister and brother all passed first time as they were driving enthusiasts, who grew up with cars. My two brothers and I grew up in a house whose family business was road haulage, we all were desperate to get our first licenses and all passed first time.
My point is that people who are motoring enthusiasts are more likely to pass first time. This is why I think the manual pass rate is higher than auto.
Of course there are lots of women who are keen motorists, and I highly suspect their pass rates are similar to men with the same interest, but more men have a passion for motoring generally.
Also some people just take lessons and tests because they have to or think they need to, and maybe more of these are women compared to men. I guess these are the ones who struggle to pass
So you think driving an auto means you are not a motoring enthusiast! Rather a sweeping (& wrong) statement. My point is that people who are motoring enthusiasts are more likely to pass first time. This is why I think the manual pass rate is higher than auto.
Of course there are lots of women who are keen motorists, and I highly suspect their pass rates are similar to men with the same interest, but more men have a passion for motoring generally.
Also some people just take lessons and tests because they have to or think they need to, and maybe more of these are women compared to men. I guess these are the ones who struggle to pass
All my current cars are autos, lots of motoring enthusiasts drive autos. Very few would take an auto only test, unless there are rare physical limitations which would necessitate that
Silvanus said:
Glosphil said:
mersontheperson said:
My wife is an excellent driver, her dad was a Motorsport fantatic, has owned loads of Ferraris, Aston’s etc. she, her sister and brother all passed first time as they were driving enthusiasts, who grew up with cars. My two brothers and I grew up in a house whose family business was road haulage, we all were desperate to get our first licenses and all passed first time.
My point is that people who are motoring enthusiasts are more likely to pass first time. This is why I think the manual pass rate is higher than auto.
Of course there are lots of women who are keen motorists, and I highly suspect their pass rates are similar to men with the same interest, but more men have a passion for motoring generally.
Also some people just take lessons and tests because they have to or think they need to, and maybe more of these are women compared to men. I guess these are the ones who struggle to pass
So you think driving an auto means you are not a motoring enthusiast! Rather a sweeping (& wrong) statement. My point is that people who are motoring enthusiasts are more likely to pass first time. This is why I think the manual pass rate is higher than auto.
Of course there are lots of women who are keen motorists, and I highly suspect their pass rates are similar to men with the same interest, but more men have a passion for motoring generally.
Also some people just take lessons and tests because they have to or think they need to, and maybe more of these are women compared to men. I guess these are the ones who struggle to pass
LordHaveMurci said:
Glosphil said:
So you think driving an auto means you are not a motoring enthusiast! Rather a sweeping (& wrong) statement.
In general I’d wager there’s some truth in it. In the UK, it still very much the norm to pass your test in a manual. In part because more small/cheap/starter cars are still manual gearbox.
Therefore sitting and auto-only test likely a flag of reduced interest and or confidence. Which will marry with pass rate, even if not competence.
mersontheperson said:
My wife is an excellent driver, her dad was a Motorsport fantatic, has owned loads of Ferraris, Aston’s etc. she, her sister and brother all passed first time as they were driving enthusiasts, who grew up with cars. My two brothers and I grew up in a house whose family business was road haulage, we all were desperate to get our first licenses and all passed first time.
My point is that people who are motoring enthusiasts are more likely to pass first time. This is why I think the manual pass rate is higher than auto.
Of course there are lots of women who are keen motorists, and I highly suspect their pass rates are similar to men with the same interest, but more men have a passion for motoring generally.
Also some people just take lessons and tests because they have to or think they need to, and maybe more of these are women compared to men. I guess these are the ones who struggle to pass
Yeah, likely something in that. But only because of gender based stereotypes during childhood.My point is that people who are motoring enthusiasts are more likely to pass first time. This is why I think the manual pass rate is higher than auto.
Of course there are lots of women who are keen motorists, and I highly suspect their pass rates are similar to men with the same interest, but more men have a passion for motoring generally.
Also some people just take lessons and tests because they have to or think they need to, and maybe more of these are women compared to men. I guess these are the ones who struggle to pass
Number one reason more men are interest in cars the woman, because more men are interested in cars then woman.
Which originates from suppression of women during the time that cars came into the world and then mass markets.
Pica-Pica said:
HustleRussell said:
Easy. The reason men are more likely to pass is the same reason that they are more likely to have a serious accident- a relative surfeit of confidence.
Quite possibly so. Enough confidence to pass, then too much confidence after. Kind of supports my thoughts about a follow-up test between 2 and 3 years after passing, and then every 5-10 years. I know we have a shortage of examiners and instructors, but …Pica-Pica said:
Quite possibly so. Enough confidence to pass, then too much confidence after. Kind of supports my thoughts about a follow-up test between 2 and 3 years after passing, and then every 5-10 years. I know we have a shortage of examiners and instructors, but …
I applied to be an examiner four years ago.Never heard a sausage!
dhutch said:
I was thinking that, slightly odd that the bluntly worded sexist remarks came from the female instructor.
My initial thought to the title was, I bet there are more male instructor than female.
I would expect that number of male driver's who have had a go on the parent drive was small, but maybe not? Maybe they have done more things like karting and quad bike hire? Not sure.
Karting and quad biking bears no resemblance to road driving.In fact some of the worst road drivers are F1 drivers.My initial thought to the title was, I bet there are more male instructor than female.
I would expect that number of male driver's who have had a go on the parent drive was small, but maybe not? Maybe they have done more things like karting and quad bike hire? Not sure.
Southerner said:
I saw this, I particularly liked the suggestion that essentially women should be allowed a pass even if they can't drive satisfactorily, because hormones:
"Also, there should be more consideration on how hormones affect driving. Tasks involving co-ordination and dexterity are more difficult when oestrogen is low and this can impact things like driving."
What an absolute gem; "Yes I hit that kerb/car/pedestrian but you can't fail me because it was my hormones".
Jesus. People really do struggle with taking responsibility for things these days, don't they...
Indeed. On the same basis, perhaps men should be let off for speeding offences because higher testosterone levels are more likely to lead to aggressive behaviour."Also, there should be more consideration on how hormones affect driving. Tasks involving co-ordination and dexterity are more difficult when oestrogen is low and this can impact things like driving."
What an absolute gem; "Yes I hit that kerb/car/pedestrian but you can't fail me because it was my hormones".
Jesus. People really do struggle with taking responsibility for things these days, don't they...
Edited by Southerner on Monday 25th July 17:38
andyalan10 said:
Elsewhere recently I read that the failure rate for people taking tests in automatic cars is higher than for manual cars.
I wonder what the difference is when the type of car being used is taken into account?
Those that can’t do it well pick an auto as the gears are one less thing to worry about so it’s likely it attracts a less naturally able driver IMOI wonder what the difference is when the type of car being used is taken into account?
Edited by Caddyshack on Friday 14th July 18:35
Caddyshack said:
andyalan10 said:
Elsewhere recently I read that the failure rate for people taking tests in automatic cars is higher than for manual cars.
I wonder what the difference is when the type of car being used is taken into account?
Those that can’t do it well pick an auto as the gears are one less thing to worry about so it’s likely it attracts a less naturally able driver IMOI wonder what the difference is when the type of car being used is taken into account?
Edited by Caddyshack on Friday 14th July 18:35
The stress kids I know favoured autos as they had one less thing to worry about. So, the test day nerves may be worse with them and that could lead to fails.
When I took my bike test recently we shared the test centre with cars and I did wonder why some even turned up judging by their attempts at parking
When I took my bike test recently we shared the test centre with cars and I did wonder why some even turned up judging by their attempts at parking
LordHaveMurci said:
Glosphil said:
So you think driving an auto means you are not a motoring enthusiast! Rather a sweeping (& wrong) statement.
In general I’d wager there’s some truth in it. Gassing Station | Motoring News | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff