Supercar theft - family traumatised (see link)

[Tyrell Corp]

C70R said:

raspy said:

CG2020UK said:

Awful ordeal.

Cars being stolen in England is so common it would put me off owning anything nice.

Would be nice of those sentences would have been double.

Cars being stolen in England is so common? Really?

According to stats, 29.3 million cars registered in England/Wales as of September 2023.

In 2022/23, 130,521 car thefts in England/Wales.

Which means,

0.44% of cars in England/Wales were stolen in in 2022/23.

The data suggests that theft of cars in England/Wales is not as prevalent as you seem to perceive it.

No no, you don't understand. Everything is terrible these days.

1 in 200 per year is high, buying something and keeping for 5 yrs and gives a 2.5%chance of theft.

Industry estimates are about £ 1.5 billion a year , over 33 million vehicles; 'Go Compare' has it at £628 a year. Seems the real cost of theft insurance cover probably more than all servicing costs on a new vehicle.


Selling cheap cars privately is often an ordeal, selling a 170k exotic from home, and allowing any Tom, Dick or Mohammed around for a test drive is asking for trouble imo.

Seems like a badly planned crime, more sophisticated types would probably have used a first viewing just to 'case the joint' initially and send their thugs in later with a plan .

[kev b]

I think I would rather chance selling the car myself than SOR at a dealer!

How many times have owners lost money when their car was sold and the dealer not paid out?

Tactical bankruptcy or just plain thievery is not that rare.

[Tyrell Corp]

Perhaps if basic precautions to sift out the dreamers and thugs had been taken here they wouldn't have even tried it: Passport and Driving licence photo ID with home address and recent utility bills sent over before the meeting, two maximum viewers and vendor has a couple of extra friends there at the time also, perhaps the initial meeting done at another venue well away from where it is stored.

[popeyewhite]

Tyrell Corp said:

Perhaps if basic precautions to sift out the dreamers and thugs had been taken here they wouldn't have even tried it: Passport and Driving licence photo ID with home address and recent utility bills sent over before the meeting, two maximum viewers and vendor has a couple of extra friends there at the time also, perhaps the initial meeting done at another venue well away from where it is stored.

Great idea, doesn't work out like that in practice. If I was selling a Ferrari I'd sell it to a dealer of such cars and be rich enough to absorb any losses.

[bad company]

Tyrell Corp said:

Perhaps if basic precautions to sift out the dreamers and thugs had been taken here they wouldn't have even tried it: Passport and Driving licence photo ID with home address and recent utility bills sent over before the meeting, two maximum viewers and vendor has a couple of extra friends there at the time also, perhaps the initial meeting done at another venue well away from where it is stored.

I understand your point but if you asked me all that they’d be a ‘Foxtrot Oscar’ response.

[C70R]

CG2020UK said:

C70R said:

Yet car theft is currently nowhere near as bad as it was 20 years ago. In fact, you're less than half as likely to have your car nicked than you were 20 years ago.

We're you "put off from owning anything nice" 20 years ago?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/303551/motor-v...

Well I would have been 8 if we are going back 20 years ago lol.

Just based on this forum and social media in comparison to N.I it seems car thefts are far more common. We also aren’t talking smicks stealing bangers for joyrides.

And there's your error. You're making conclusions based on people moaning on PH and Facebook, without even bothering to look for actual data.

Car theft isn't more common now. There's no avoiding that fact.

In fact, you're less than half as likely to suffer it now than you were 20 years ago.

[PHZero]

bad company said:

Tyrell Corp said:

Perhaps if basic precautions to sift out the dreamers and thugs had been taken here they wouldn't have even tried it: Passport and Driving licence photo ID with home address and recent utility bills sent over before the meeting, two maximum viewers and vendor has a couple of extra friends there at the time also, perhaps the initial meeting done at another venue well away from where it is stored.

I understand your point but if you asked me all that they’d be a ‘Foxtrot Oscar’ response.

I've seen a few private car sale adverts requesting proof of funds and ID prior to any viewings of late. I would have thought that it would be the norm to request these in the current climate as a minimum for the private sale of a car that is worth as much as a small house.

It must take some balls and stupidity to take an imitation plastic firearm on a job like that. Well done to the wife for realising what it was.

[CRA1G]

Safest bet is don't let your supercar out of your eyesight....

[bad company]

PHZero said:

bad company said:

Tyrell Corp said:

Perhaps if basic precautions to sift out the dreamers and thugs had been taken here they wouldn't have even tried it: Passport and Driving licence photo ID with home address and recent utility bills sent over before the meeting, two maximum viewers and vendor has a couple of extra friends there at the time also, perhaps the initial meeting done at another venue well away from where it is stored.

I understand your point but if you asked me all that they’d be a ‘Foxtrot Oscar’ response.

I've seen a few private car sale adverts requesting proof of funds and ID prior to any viewings of late. I would have thought that it would be the norm to request these in the current climate as a minimum for the private sale of a car that is worth as much as a small house.

It must take some balls and stupidity to take an imitation plastic firearm on a job like that. Well done to the wife for realising what it was.

I’ve never seen such requests but then I don’t really look at private adverts and when I’ve sold I prefer to sell to the trade. Lower price but at least its safe, I recently sold my BMW on CarWow which worked very well.

[RobZo]

What is happening to these stolen supercars? I've seen plenty of Ferraris etc getting nicked in London and someone I know had their Huracan stolen off their drive. Where are they going?

[jasonrobertson86]

RobZo said:

What is happening to these stolen supercars? I've seen plenty of Ferraris etc getting nicked in London and someone I know had their Huracan stolen off their drive. Where are they going?

Morocco

[PHZero]

RobZo said:

What is happening to these stolen supercars? I've seen plenty of Ferraris etc getting nicked in London and someone I know had their Huracan stolen off their drive. Where are they going?

Into shipping containers and off to eastern Europe, Russia, Nigeria, Ghana, Congo, and other places. Never to be seen again.

[turbomoggie]

raspy said:

Cars being stolen in England is so common? Really?

According to stats, 29.3 million cars registered in England/Wales as of September 2023.

In 2022/23, 130,521 car thefts in England/Wales.

Which means,

0.44% of cars in England/Wales were stolen in in 2022/23.

The data suggests that theft of cars in England/Wales is not as prevalent as you seem to perceive it.

Imo 0.4% is a lot! A frightening figure

[C70R]

turbomoggie said:

raspy said:

Cars being stolen in England is so common? Really?

According to stats, 29.3 million cars registered in England/Wales as of September 2023.

In 2022/23, 130,521 car thefts in England/Wales.

Which means,

0.44% of cars in England/Wales were stolen in in 2022/23.

The data suggests that theft of cars in England/Wales is not as prevalent as you seem to perceive it.

Imo 0.4% is a lot! A frightening figure

It means that 4 in every thousand cars were stolen. Or one in every 250.

Is that really "frightening"?

Were you "frightened" in 2003 when those figures were much worse?

[turbomoggie]

C70R said:

It means that 4 in every thousand cars were stolen. Or one in every 250.

Is that really "frightening"?

Were you "frightened" in 2003 when those figures were much worse?

I'm gonna estimate I see 250 to 500 cars per day on my commute depending on the levels of traffic. Frightening is maybe not the right word to use but it's not a great feeling knowing that at least 1 or 2 of the cars I see are going to end up being stolen. That feels like a lot to me.

[Tyrell Corp]

bad company said:

I understand your point but if you asked me all that they’d be a ‘Foxtrot Oscar’ response.

Dear Mr Bad,
Thanks for your text message about wanting to call around and testdrive my 170k supercar. Yes you are very welcome. bring a few mates with you and don't forget your driving shoes!

Here's my address, I work from home on zxy days and will be out of the country between the following dates. Spare set of keys in my office drawer next to the watches ok ?

Don't bother with any ID, in fact call around tooled up wearing a ski mask if you prefer?

Thanks very Much for your interest!


A. Mug.



No decent estate agent would allow a property viewing without an ID check and financials in place, surely no-one would invite total strangers into their home and garage for such a valuable car that could be a steal to order?

Likely these ads get more 100x more attention from thieves and dreamers than genuine buyers.

Last couple of 4 digit private deals I did, sold a watch and met the buyer at the jewellers who took the back off for inspection, a musical instrument I bought but insisted on photocard ID from the seller. Easy precautions that sift out the spivs that no genuine buyer or seller should object to imo.

Also in the event they bought it there and then, a v5 declaration would require ID to proceed. Potential money laundering compliance too on such a large transaction.

[bad company]

Tyrell Corp said:

bad company said:

I understand your point but if you asked me all that they’d be a ‘Foxtrot Oscar’ response.

Dear Mr Bad,
Thanks for your text message about wanting to call around and testdrive my 170k supercar. Yes you are very welcome. bring a few mates with you and don't forget your driving shoes!

Here's my address, I work from home on zxy days and will be out of the country between the following dates. Spare set of keys in my office drawer next to the watches ok ?

Don't bother with any ID, in fact call around tooled up wearing a ski mask if you prefer?

Thanks very Much for your interest!


A. Mug.



No decent estate agent would allow a property viewing without an ID check and financials in place, surely no-one would invite total strangers into their home and garage for such a valuable car that could be a steal to order?

Likely these ads get more 100x more attention from thieves and dreamers than genuine buyers.

Last couple of 4 digit private deals I did, sold a watch and met the buyer at the jewellers who took the back off for inspection, a musical instrument I bought but insisted on photocard ID from the seller. Easy precautions that sift out the spivs that no genuine buyer or seller should object to imo.

Also in the event they bought it there and then, a v5 declaration would require ID to proceed. Potential money laundering compliance too on such a large transaction.

That would also put off genuine buyers, me included. I understand where you’re coming from though, that’s why I prefer to sell to the trade.

Your Estate Agent example is wrong. Mrs BC and I moved just over a year ago. We viewed several properties without id or proof of funds checks. These were only required when we put in an offer on the place we bought. I don’t want to be providing personal details to strangers, I’ve been an intended victim of identity theft 3 times now!

I’m sticking with Foxtrot Oscar.

Edited by bad company on Wednesday 10th January 09:24

Edited by bad company on Wednesday 10th January 09:42

[BrettMRC]

C70R said:

turbomoggie said:

raspy said:

Cars being stolen in England is so common? Really?

According to stats, 29.3 million cars registered in England/Wales as of September 2023.

In 2022/23, 130,521 car thefts in England/Wales.

Which means,

0.44% of cars in England/Wales were stolen in in 2022/23.

The data suggests that theft of cars in England/Wales is not as prevalent as you seem to perceive it.

Imo 0.4% is a lot! A frightening figure

It means that 4 in every thousand cars were stolen. Or one in every 250.

Is that really "frightening"?

Were you "frightened" in 2003 when those figures were much worse?

% are maybe a misleading figure here though when you consider volumes involved.

0.44%, who cares?
However 0.44% of c40Million is over 175,000 cars stolen, which doesn't sound quite so comforting.

[Wills2]

Dreadful act, good sentences though pity they can't have a good beating to go with them.

[nismocat]

The issue now is people are scared because everyone has a smartphone and CCTV and doorbells with cameras on. Add to that the social media aspect where it's a think to share baseless facts in memes where the audience will not bother to fact check. The media often get their stories from social media and also do not fact check.

"Broken Britain: is the DM favourite word when in fact, as has been stated, car crime and violent crime was much worse in the 90s.