RE: Merkel blocks autobahn speed limit
Discussion
Bodo said:
LewisR said:
Oh yes, Ich kann viel Deutsch sprechen und ich hoffe, dass mein folgender Beruf in Deutschland ist!
Good German^ I've worked in Munich and Frankfurt with people who didn't even speak one word of German, and who stayed there for years!
in my humble experience, speeds on the autobahn tend (mostly) to match the conditions
busier = slower
there are lots of people who sit at 130kmh, but there are lots of diesel c class/a4/passat/mondeo/3 series diesels that sit at 200kmh too
CommanderJameson said:
cowellsj said:
Mr_C said:
I've noticed on the 'bahns that most people do drive at 80 ish, their lane discipline is usually spot on, they move over for faster cars and if you do want to drive faster they let you get on with it.
Over here people would much rather have an accident than let someone pass them safely.Autobahns are fab, and I want them here, but I'm under no illusions that they're safer overall.
they do have worse figures in germany, but given that almost all 'main' roads are autobahn, whereas britain cheats by only picking the very best (comparatively) roads to be classed as motorways
I've never been on a road in germany like, for example the A66 in durham/cumbria or the A1 as it was until recently (and still is north of the border) or any number of other major routes that go in and out of single lane and dual carriageway
I've never been on a road in germany like, for example the A66 in durham/cumbria or the A1 as it was until recently (and still is north of the border) or any number of other major routes that go in and out of single lane and dual carriageway
jamoor said:
CommanderJameson said:
cowellsj said:
Mr_C said:
I've noticed on the 'bahns that most people do drive at 80 ish, their lane discipline is usually spot on, they move over for faster cars and if you do want to drive faster they let you get on with it.
Over here people would much rather have an accident than let someone pass them safely.Autobahns are fab, and I want them here, but I'm under no illusions that they're safer overall.
But.
UK motorway: 2.9 fatalities per billion vehicle KM
DE motorway: 3.8 fatalities per billion vehicle KM
(9.3 and 12.4 respectively for non-motorway fatals)
CommanderJameson said:
Which is remarkable, given that motorway accident rates are greater in Germany than they are here.
Autobahns are fab, and I want them here, but I'm under no illusions that they're safer overall.
Maybe , but Germany has a much larger network of Autobahns and a larger poulation , also it is a major transit route East - West , North - South Autobahns are fab, and I want them here, but I'm under no illusions that they're safer overall.
Marki said:
CommanderJameson said:
Which is remarkable, given that motorway accident rates are greater in Germany than they are here.
Autobahns are fab, and I want them here, but I'm under no illusions that they're safer overall.
Maybe , but Germany has a much larger network of Autobahns and a larger poulation , also it is a major transit route East - West , North - South Autobahns are fab, and I want them here, but I'm under no illusions that they're safer overall.
hahithestevieboy said:
Here here!!
German autobarns are (if I recall correctly) mostly made of concrete which is much more hardwearing and longlasting than tarmac/bitumen roads requireing less maintanence (even if like on a runway you then cover them in tarmac). Then, when they do break the germans (at night) throw men and machinery at them in order to get the problem solved in a couple of hours minimising disruption.
Sorry old chap, just not true - re repairs that is! The A5 here in the south has been needing renovation for 20 years now, and the 5km stretch here has now taken 1 1/2 years to get one side redone! The days when one could expect the road to be done "overnight" are long gone, especially since it's mostly lazy fecker east germans who are doing the standing around looking into the holes others are digging. Only when the non-deserving ossies wanted their roads re-done was anything done fast - and only to ensure Kohl got re-elected!German autobarns are (if I recall correctly) mostly made of concrete which is much more hardwearing and longlasting than tarmac/bitumen roads requireing less maintanence (even if like on a runway you then cover them in tarmac). Then, when they do break the germans (at night) throw men and machinery at them in order to get the problem solved in a couple of hours minimising disruption.
Re-speed limits only a small minority of the far left leaning SPD here wanted the 130kph limit, as did of course the green scum. But both got blown out of the water with Angies arguments when she bounced their own green lies back at them! Congestion causes pollution NOT speed on an Autobahn!!
DPX said:
From :-
"Makes you wonder why we bothered fighting the war doesnt it. We get the draconian laws regarding civil liberty, traffic etc, the Germans seem to have got a far better balance."
Another little gem is that they seem to have a train service that works and have some nice rolling stock. Would love to see one of those ICE class 403 trains blowing a SWT class 158 from the track .
And just as a final insult anyone with a UK season ticket should take a look for a BahnCard-100 on the web and see what 3300 euros a year gets you.
AND more on this theme: Germany has now limited the use of CCTV in cities after an experiment im Mannheim which was run during the last footie competition. Although they reduced the amount of "crime" where they were put up, the spreading of the criminals into other areas was more expensive and it is cheaper to put feet on the ground than use cameras everywhere! Apart from which there are serious privacy problems with CCTV under Germany's basic rights laws."Makes you wonder why we bothered fighting the war doesnt it. We get the draconian laws regarding civil liberty, traffic etc, the Germans seem to have got a far better balance."
Another little gem is that they seem to have a train service that works and have some nice rolling stock. Would love to see one of those ICE class 403 trains blowing a SWT class 158 from the track .
And just as a final insult anyone with a UK season ticket should take a look for a BahnCard-100 on the web and see what 3300 euros a year gets you.
IMHO Germany is now much more democratic than GB, especially since the labour scum spoiled Britain.
CommanderJameson said:
jamoor said:
CommanderJameson said:
cowellsj said:
Mr_C said:
I've noticed on the 'bahns that most people do drive at 80 ish, their lane discipline is usually spot on, they move over for faster cars and if you do want to drive faster they let you get on with it.
Over here people would much rather have an accident than let someone pass them safely.Autobahns are fab, and I want them here, but I'm under no illusions that they're safer overall.
But.
UK motorway: 2.9 fatalities per billion vehicle KM
DE motorway: 3.8 fatalities per billion vehicle KM
(9.3 and 12.4 respectively for non-motorway fatals)
| m'way¹ | non-m'way | ratio³ | |
|---|---|---|---|
| UK | 2.9 | 9.3 | 3.21 |
| DE² | 3.8 | 12.4 | 3.26 |
| ratio | 1.31 | 1.33 | (1.02) |
Lessons learned:
¹ Driving on motorways is safer per km than on non-motorways
² It's ~1.3 times more fatal
to drive in Germany than in the UK.³ The ratio between fatalities is almost the same between non-m'ways and m'ways in both countries, where Germany has tempolimits on non-m'ways like the UK has. Hence, the fatality is not dependent on speed limits.
½ Pinch of salt applies
Bodo said:
CommanderJameson said:
jamoor said:
CommanderJameson said:
cowellsj said:
Mr_C said:
I've noticed on the 'bahns that most people do drive at 80 ish, their lane discipline is usually spot on, they move over for faster cars and if you do want to drive faster they let you get on with it.
Over here people would much rather have an accident than let someone pass them safely.Autobahns are fab, and I want them here, but I'm under no illusions that they're safer overall.
But.
UK motorway: 2.9 fatalities per billion vehicle KM
DE motorway: 3.8 fatalities per billion vehicle KM
(9.3 and 12.4 respectively for non-motorway fatals)
| m'way¹ | non-m'way | ratio³ | |
|---|---|---|---|
| UK | 2.9 | 9.3 | 3.21 |
| DE² | 3.8 | 12.4 | 3.26 |
| ratio | 1.31 | 1.33 | (1.02) |
Lessons learned:
¹ Driving on motorways is safer per km than on non-motorways
² It's ~1.3 times more fatal
to drive in Germany than in the UK.³ The ratio between fatalities is almost the same between non-m'ways and m'ways in both countries, where Germany has tempolimits on non-m'ways like the UK has. Hence, the fatality is not dependent on speed limits.
½ Pinch of salt applies
Edited by jamoor on Wednesday 31st October 19:47
jamoor said:
Bodo said:
CommanderJameson said:
jamoor said:
CommanderJameson said:
cowellsj said:
Mr_C said:
I've noticed on the 'bahns that most people do drive at 80 ish, their lane discipline is usually spot on, they move over for faster cars and if you do want to drive faster they let you get on with it.
Over here people would much rather have an accident than let someone pass them safely.Autobahns are fab, and I want them here, but I'm under no illusions that they're safer overall.
But.
UK motorway: 2.9 fatalities per billion vehicle KM
DE motorway: 3.8 fatalities per billion vehicle KM
(9.3 and 12.4 respectively for non-motorway fatals)
| m'way¹ | non-m'way | ratio³ | |
|---|---|---|---|
| UK | 2.9 | 9.3 | 3.21 |
| DE² | 3.8 | 12.4 | 3.26 |
| ratio | 1.31 | 1.33 | (1.02) |
Lessons learned:
¹ Driving on motorways is safer per km than on non-motorways
² It's ~1.3 times more fatal
to drive in Germany than in the UK.³ The ratio between fatalities is almost the same between non-m'ways and m'ways in both countries, where Germany has tempolimits on non-m'ways like the UK has. Hence, the fatality is not dependent on speed limits.
½ Pinch of salt applies
Edited by jamoor on Wednesday 31st October 19:47
Bodo said:
jamoor said:
Bodo said:
CommanderJameson said:
jamoor said:
CommanderJameson said:
cowellsj said:
Mr_C said:
I've noticed on the 'bahns that most people do drive at 80 ish, their lane discipline is usually spot on, they move over for faster cars and if you do want to drive faster they let you get on with it.
Over here people would much rather have an accident than let someone pass them safely.Autobahns are fab, and I want them here, but I'm under no illusions that they're safer overall.
But.
UK motorway: 2.9 fatalities per billion vehicle KM
DE motorway: 3.8 fatalities per billion vehicle KM
(9.3 and 12.4 respectively for non-motorway fatals)
| m'way¹ | non-m'way | ratio³ | |
|---|---|---|---|
| UK | 2.9 | 9.3 | 3.21 |
| DE² | 3.8 | 12.4 | 3.26 |
| ratio | 1.31 | 1.33 | (1.02) |
Lessons learned:
¹ Driving on motorways is safer per km than on non-motorways
² It's ~1.3 times more fatal
to drive in Germany than in the UK.³ The ratio between fatalities is almost the same between non-m'ways and m'ways in both countries, where Germany has tempolimits on non-m'ways like the UK has. Hence, the fatality is not dependent on speed limits.
½ Pinch of salt applies
Edited by jamoor on Wednesday 31st October 19:47
Beeing a German in the UK I have good expereience driving in both systems (and in between- french traffic coppers anyone...)
I think on average I feel safer in Germany (w RHD and LHD cars) on the Autobahn than on the Motorways here because people drive more predictable and the traffic moves more organized and smoothly (imho). Overtaking is easier and if there are no jams you will reach your destination earlier and more relaxed. However this applies overall and Germany is in aereas by far less densely populated then the UK- In aereas where there is similar population desity (e.g. south england and nordrhein westfalen) average speeds should be comparable and driving stress as well (again imho), regardless the nonexisting speed limit- nobody can max his golf in a chocked street
A comment on the side...
Our great so called fuehrer did NOT invent the autobahns, they where planned befor him by the then democratic elected government similar to other european countries (france and italy) as roads for the future, works even started then...
Adolfs merit was to go ahead with the works not needing to worry about local resitance (people didnt want't to live next to motorways then either), feed lots of cheap labour (less POW in the beginning but drafted young Germans (so called Arbeitsdienst, a paramilitaric organisation, designed to get the jobless off the streets and drill them for war), and claim it was all his idea--IT WAS NOT (first Autobahn Koeln Bonn commisioned 1928, Adolf Hitler Reichskanzler 1933)- a lot of Germans still belief the same bullshit, though
I think on average I feel safer in Germany (w RHD and LHD cars) on the Autobahn than on the Motorways here because people drive more predictable and the traffic moves more organized and smoothly (imho). Overtaking is easier and if there are no jams you will reach your destination earlier and more relaxed. However this applies overall and Germany is in aereas by far less densely populated then the UK- In aereas where there is similar population desity (e.g. south england and nordrhein westfalen) average speeds should be comparable and driving stress as well (again imho), regardless the nonexisting speed limit- nobody can max his golf in a chocked street
A comment on the side...
Our great so called fuehrer did NOT invent the autobahns, they where planned befor him by the then democratic elected government similar to other european countries (france and italy) as roads for the future, works even started then...
Adolfs merit was to go ahead with the works not needing to worry about local resitance (people didnt want't to live next to motorways then either), feed lots of cheap labour (less POW in the beginning but drafted young Germans (so called Arbeitsdienst, a paramilitaric organisation, designed to get the jobless off the streets and drill them for war), and claim it was all his idea--IT WAS NOT (first Autobahn Koeln Bonn commisioned 1928, Adolf Hitler Reichskanzler 1933)- a lot of Germans still belief the same bullshit, though
cramorra said:
Beeing a German in the UK I have good expereience driving in both systems (and in between- french traffic coppers anyone...)
I think on average I feel safer in Germany (w RHD and LHD cars) on the Autobahn than on the Motorways here because people drive more predictable and the traffic moves more organized and smoothly (imho). Overtaking is easier and if there are no jams you will reach your destination earlier and more relaxed. However this applies overall and Germany is in aereas by far less densely populated then the UK- In aereas where there is similar population desity (e.g. south england and nordrhein westfalen) average speeds should be comparable and driving stress as well (again imho), regardless the nonexisting speed limit- nobody can max his golf in a chocked street
A comment on the side...
Our great so called fuehrer did NOT invent the autobahns, they where planned befor him by the then democratic elected government similar to other european countries (france and italy) as roads for the future, works even started then...
Adolfs merit was to go ahead with the works not needing to worry about local resitance (people didnt want't to live next to motorways then either), feed lots of cheap labour (less POW in the beginning but drafted young Germans (so called Arbeitsdienst, a paramilitaric organisation, designed to get the jobless off the streets and drill them for war), and claim it was all his idea--IT WAS NOT (first Autobahn Koeln Bonn commisioned 1928, Adolf Hitler Reichskanzler 1933)- a lot of Germans still belief the same bullshit, though
Yes I love the way people see you coming and dare not move out.I think on average I feel safer in Germany (w RHD and LHD cars) on the Autobahn than on the Motorways here because people drive more predictable and the traffic moves more organized and smoothly (imho). Overtaking is easier and if there are no jams you will reach your destination earlier and more relaxed. However this applies overall and Germany is in aereas by far less densely populated then the UK- In aereas where there is similar population desity (e.g. south england and nordrhein westfalen) average speeds should be comparable and driving stress as well (again imho), regardless the nonexisting speed limit- nobody can max his golf in a chocked street
A comment on the side...
Our great so called fuehrer did NOT invent the autobahns, they where planned befor him by the then democratic elected government similar to other european countries (france and italy) as roads for the future, works even started then...
Adolfs merit was to go ahead with the works not needing to worry about local resitance (people didnt want't to live next to motorways then either), feed lots of cheap labour (less POW in the beginning but drafted young Germans (so called Arbeitsdienst, a paramilitaric organisation, designed to get the jobless off the streets and drill them for war), and claim it was all his idea--IT WAS NOT (first Autobahn Koeln Bonn commisioned 1928, Adolf Hitler Reichskanzler 1933)- a lot of Germans still belief the same bullshit, though
Although it's unreasonable to expect people here to see you coming and assume you're doing 1 lepton.
People should consider the bright side in fatal accidents
Should I hit the rear of an overtaking lorry at say 150 mph I'd be happy my organs to be used to cure seriously ill people waiting in hospitals.
edited to add: I'd be surprised to be told that organ supply exceeded demand.
Should I hit the rear of an overtaking lorry at say 150 mph I'd be happy my organs to be used to cure seriously ill people waiting in hospitals.
edited to add: I'd be surprised to be told that organ supply exceeded demand.
Edited by Thom on Friday 2nd November 18:11
jamoor said:
Yes I love the way people see you coming and dare not move out.
Although it's unreasonable to expect people here to see you coming and assume you're doing 1 lepton.
WHY is it unreasonable? just because people are too self centred or lazy or too feckin ignorant to think of others? FASTER traffic ALWAYS has priority over numpties!!!! Outside lane hoggers, MLMs and mumpties should all be SHOT!! Although it's unreasonable to expect people here to see you coming and assume you're doing 1 lepton.
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