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Speaking as someone who is fairly adept with a shotgun it seems like an awful lot of fuss just to kill a fox.
Why not go the whole hog and use an armalite with thermal scope - garuantee a clean kill, and imagine the money it would bring into the countryside - who wouldn't pay to blast things to bits with an armalite?
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People also seem to forget they are vermin. They are also one of only two animals on the planet (three including humans) that kill without the need for food. The other is certain varieties of shark.
There are loads of animals that kill other animals without needing to eat them. Wolves regularly kill coyotes given half a chance. I was watching them on TV the other day. They really seem to hate coyotes. New dominant male lions tend to kill cute little baby lions when they take control of a pride. Male polar bears kill baby polar bears given half a chance (and eat them). And domestic cats are pretty mean little gits too. They'll kill anything that moves.
>> Edited by MEMSDesign on Tuesday 5th March 11:30
But that doesn't mean we have to make a "sport" of controlling vermin.
FFS, there are more effective ways of targetting problems animals than randomly chasing them around the countryside and, in many cases, not actually catching the little buggers.
I object to hunts on the grounds of their sheer arrogance - it really gets on my nerves when they stand around in country lanes and won't let normal traffic through. I was forced to resolve one such incident by the use of 6,000 rpm and a sudden drop of the clutch...
And the argument that foxes kill livestock is flawed, especially chickens. Frankly if the farmer can't / won't spend money of protecting his assets then he only has himself to blame.
I'm not pro-fox - I fully appreciate they can be a problem - but I just don't see why they should be singled out and hunted for "sport" when there are more effective ways of controlling them.
FFS, there are more effective ways of targetting problems animals than randomly chasing them around the countryside and, in many cases, not actually catching the little buggers.
I object to hunts on the grounds of their sheer arrogance - it really gets on my nerves when they stand around in country lanes and won't let normal traffic through. I was forced to resolve one such incident by the use of 6,000 rpm and a sudden drop of the clutch...
And the argument that foxes kill livestock is flawed, especially chickens. Frankly if the farmer can't / won't spend money of protecting his assets then he only has himself to blame.
I'm not pro-fox - I fully appreciate they can be a problem - but I just don't see why they should be singled out and hunted for "sport" when there are more effective ways of controlling them.
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Re the question of animals killing not for food. Most carnivores will chase off or kill competitor carnivores, eg. wolf and coyote, lion and cheetah, however there are only 2 species that kill for 'fun' - humans and chimpanzees. We are supposed to be the 'more intelligent' species!
Domestic cat`s do it for fun
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quote:You're not bloody kidding - our garden looks like cambodia or something.. There's a humongous dead bird on the lawns with it's wings outstretched.. Looks like someone shot down Brian Blessed in Flash Gordon and he landed in my garden !!!
Domestic cat`s do it for fun
GORDON'S ALIVE!
DESPATCH WAR ROCKET CERBERA TO BRING BACK HIS BODY!
Sorry, I appear to have had a small episode.
Andy, 400se
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I object to hunts on the grounds of their sheer arrogance - it really gets on my nerves when they stand around in country lanes and won't let normal traffic through. I was forced to resolve one such incident by the use of 6,000 rpm and a sudden drop of the clutch...
Interesting that your needs as an individual let you think you were more important than other people. I'm glad you're sure it's the group of people on horses who were arrogant.
If this doesn't get you going then nothing will.
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If anyone wants to know (succinctly) why hunting is the best way of catching the right foxes I'm happy to tell you.
>> Edited by SMiles on Friday 1st March 13:17
Would love to know. Email me if you want to avoid boring the forum (as noone else seems to have asked!)
p.s. Hope Mrs Miles is fully recovered from the vehicular assault on Saturday!
SMiles,
My needs as an individual were to pass down a stretch of road - hardly a picture of arrogance... And I didn't say I considered myself more important than them, simply that they made no attempt to move despite my initial polite requests to be allowed through. When that approach failed I simply adopted an alternative approach.
Their refusal to move was just sheer arrogance and bloody mindedness - they could easily have let me through if they hadn't been too busy looking down their noses at this car that dared to try and use a public road...
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"Interesting that your needs as an individual let you think you were more important than other people. I'm glad you're sure it's the group of people on horses who were arrogant"
My needs as an individual were to pass down a stretch of road - hardly a picture of arrogance... And I didn't say I considered myself more important than them, simply that they made no attempt to move despite my initial polite requests to be allowed through. When that approach failed I simply adopted an alternative approach.
Their refusal to move was just sheer arrogance and bloody mindedness - they could easily have let me through if they hadn't been too busy looking down their noses at this car that dared to try and use a public road...
And all the time we fight about the rights or wrongs of hunting Blair is laughing cos he is getting away with murder.
If you MUST debate hunting here, then consider this:
If you are anti hunting, is your opinion based on having acquainted yourself fully with all the facts relevant to the issue on both sides, or is it in response to what you have read in the press or heard in the pub?
If the answer is the former then so be it, I cannot argue with your opinion, but if it is the latter then you should consider the next point, and that is that the same kind of demonisation process that made you anti hunting is currntly going on and the target of that campaign is YOU! This Govt hates motorists, especially those that like motorbikes, fast cars, driving for fun, or just generally using the roads that they want to keep for themselves (remember Blair and Prescott both using the M4 bus lane?)
Can you honestly say we are equiped to win this fight?
Andy 400se
If you MUST debate hunting here, then consider this:
If you are anti hunting, is your opinion based on having acquainted yourself fully with all the facts relevant to the issue on both sides, or is it in response to what you have read in the press or heard in the pub?
If the answer is the former then so be it, I cannot argue with your opinion, but if it is the latter then you should consider the next point, and that is that the same kind of demonisation process that made you anti hunting is currntly going on and the target of that campaign is YOU! This Govt hates motorists, especially those that like motorbikes, fast cars, driving for fun, or just generally using the roads that they want to keep for themselves (remember Blair and Prescott both using the M4 bus lane?)
Can you honestly say we are equiped to win this fight?
Andy 400se
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And all the time we fight about the rights or wrongs of hunting Blair is laughing cos he is getting away with murder.
If you MUST debate hunting here, then consider this:
If you are anti hunting, is your opinion based on having acquainted yourself fully with all the facts relevant to the issue on both sides, or is it in response to what you have read in the press or heard in the pub?
If the answer is the former then so be it, I cannot argue with your opinion, but if it is the latter then you should consider the next point, and that is that the same kind of demonisation process that made you anti hunting is currntly going on and the target of that campaign is YOU! This Govt hates motorists, especially those that like motorbikes, fast cars, driving for fun, or just generally using the roads that they want to keep for themselves (remember Blair and Prescott both using the M4 bus lane?)
Can you honestly say we are equiped to win this fight?
Andy 400se
We are certainly equipped for it, 27 million cars take to the road with lots of food and blankets in them and shut the whole country down until Blair and Co are flung in the river. Simple, done dusted, next, however the problem is that until the women experience the breadwinner losing their livelihood through daft speeding bans this is unlikely to happen.
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Why is everyone so worried about what might happen,2 or 3 or 5 years down the road, or never at all.
I have been dealing with paperwork today for four deceased people.Life is short, why bother worrying on something that may never happen?
Get out and enjoy it.
Sorry SupraMan but "it might never happen" is already too late. Fact is, it already is happening.
Just take a look at the "Unbelievable" thread on this site of last week. Meacher actually floated the idea of banning bikes from some roads! Mix in punitive fuel taxes, congestion charging, a police force that has been ordered to jump on motorists and you have all the evidence you need. Except of course that it doesn't end there. Have you not seen the kinds of "anti speeding" adverts that the Govt is putting out now. Its all "Kill your speed not a child" and highly emotive stuff like that. You simply cannot argue the opposite to that because of course nobody wants to kill a child. The trouble though is that any kind of "reasonable speed under the right conditions counter arguement" gets instantly submerged under a barrage of "you are irresponsible child killing bastards" type responses.
I worry cos it's already happening.
Andy 400se
I can't say I've actually seen the adverts for speeding, but I do remember adverts from a few years ago.Those ads don't really affect me as, as I am sure we all do, drive sensibly around schools and residential areas.
Coming down harder on the motorist with taxes etc, would be political suicide for the Government.
What I want to know is where the hell is the opposition to these clowns in power?
No one seems to be opposing or questioning the government at all.
Coming down harder on the motorist with taxes etc, would be political suicide for the Government.
What I want to know is where the hell is the opposition to these clowns in power?
No one seems to be opposing or questioning the government at all.
Wheres the political suicide in taxing the motorist - they're doing it already and getting away with it - and all parties will continue to do it - we're cash cows for them and don't forget it. Social demographics wont let us get away from using cars - people now live and work in seperate areas for a variety of reasons and daily transport is a must, so its easy to tax a (non)moving target. If petrol was £1.00/litre, how many of you would stop driving and save your cash for buses/trains - ummmm None. So taxes and persecution will continue to happen, with little gestures to keep us quiet.
As for 27 million cars on the roads - half of them wouldn't get out of London cos the roads are so shite they cant even handle a quarter of that number of cars and the other half couldn'nt be arsed because its not football or beer. It'll only be when everybody knows two or three people who've been banned for doing 45 in a 40 that anything will start to happen - either that or limited "social disobedience" takes care of all these breeding cameras that the message will start to be heard. Don't hold yer breath tho.
As for 27 million cars on the roads - half of them wouldn't get out of London cos the roads are so shite they cant even handle a quarter of that number of cars and the other half couldn'nt be arsed because its not football or beer. It'll only be when everybody knows two or three people who've been banned for doing 45 in a 40 that anything will start to happen - either that or limited "social disobedience" takes care of all these breeding cameras that the message will start to be heard. Don't hold yer breath tho.
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