This is what we're up against

This is what we're up against

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sipow

14,698 posts

268 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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Mon Dieu,c'est bizarre

Simon

CarZee

13,382 posts

268 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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cheers Thom..

I do have a bit of French, basic conversational stuff... I speak more German.. and a *lot* more complete bollox

>> Edited by CarZee on Thursday 28th March 19:50

thom

2,745 posts

274 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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Ach so!
Ich möchte gern sehen bitte!

CarZee

13,382 posts

268 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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Nein, Ich denke nicht - es wird zu langweilig fuer jeder sein.

Like I said - a lot more bollox...

>> Edited by CarZee on Thursday 28th March 19:57

thom

2,745 posts

274 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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Ja, vielleicht wird es langweilig für alle Kolbenkopfs hier...

CarZee

13,382 posts

268 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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I can't work out how to get umlauten ..

thom

2,745 posts

274 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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Anyway, we're getting nowhere.
Where did you learn German? School? Lived there?

CarZee

13,382 posts

268 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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school originally ... but I've seen a lot of porn

>> Edited by CarZee on Thursday 28th March 20:19

thom

2,745 posts

274 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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LOL!
Your profile shows you bought your TT in Deutschland: I know why you can speak know

K G

41 posts

268 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2002
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Here's the translation - can't make head or tail of it!

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Richard Durn affirmed in three letters to want " to kill out of people "
the killer of Nanterre committed suicide, Thursday morning, while being thrown of a window of the murder squad, where it was in police custody. " I am insane, I became a tramp, I must die ", affirmed it, in a mail sent the day before drama to a friend of Amiens.

Richard Durn left three letters. Before the shooting of Nanterre (the Top-of-Seine), it had dispatched of them two with friends in Rouen (Seine-Maritime) and Amiens (Somme).




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It had also written a long letter will of several pages, discovered by the investigators in the residence of his mother where it resided. " I am insane. I became a tramp. I must thus die " , wrote it with this relation of Amiens, which he little apparently knew like that of Rouen. A little further, it reiterated its intention " to kill out of people " and " to commit suicide " in " psychologically destroying [ its ] mother " . Thursday morning, towards 10 h 15, the killer died while throwing himself by a window of the fourth stage of the buildings of the murder squad, in Paris, where it was in police custody.

The documents seized by the investigators came to confirm the first statements made by Richard Durn, Wednesday 27 mars, at the end of the morning to the police officers. " the explanation of its gesture is in the feeling of a total personal failure of which it makes responsible the company in which it lives, indicated Yves Bot, the prosecutor of Nanterre. And it is in Nanterre that it was born, that it made its studies, it is there that he estimates that the local persons in charge did not give him the recognition to which he had right. It explained why everywhere where it had militated, one had been useful oneself of him. It thus wanted to control the events, to control its life, to kill out of people and to give itself death then. " The investigators do not doubt only Richard Durn, who assassinated eight elected officials of Nanterre and in wounded nineteen others at the end of the town council, in the night of Tuesday 26 at Wednesday 27 mars, intended well to commit suicide. It shouted " kill me, kill me " with the city council men who finally girdled it. The letter will found at his place speaks " to die in fireworks " , and he regretted, in police custody, according to the prosecutor, " not to have had the occasion to commit suicide " , while not expressing any regret. It told its history with the police officers, without going too much into the details, in " very calm way, with a very controlled vocabulary which testifies to a good cultural level " , indicated the magistrate.

Born in Nanterre the 3 décembre 1968 from a mother from origin slovene and an unknown father, Richard Durn has a s.ur, of 43 ans, and was provided education for at the school of the center, very close to at his place, in the Nanterre old man, and it had the appearance of a good pupil. " It came from the times to make its duties at the house, remembers Andrée Clément, whose son, Pascal, were at the school with him. I remember his curly head. At the school, it was exceptionally gifted, so much so that it was bored in class. " Student, it was registered in Paris-X (Nanterre), and took down a licence of history in 1995 then a control of political sciences, but proved to be unable to enter the active life. " It had the feeling to have very missed: it failed the Capes, summarizes Yves Bot, it did not make a success of the assistance of house master " , and became supervisor, in four establishments of the Top-of-Seine entre 1992 and 1998.

It was in station with the college Andre-Doucet, in Nanterre, before being reached by the age limit. It left a contrasted memory there. " I had it one year as supervisor, in class of fifth, explains Massalé Traoré, 17 ans, deliveryman of pizza pie. One made fun of him, one carted it. It was called " Richaaard ", with an accent, because it had manners. "

SUICIDE ATTEMPTS

Richard Durn seeks, in vain, his way. He was registered in 1995 with the socialist Party, left into 2001 to turn around the Greens. He officially took his card with the league of the humans right in novembre 2001, and became treasurer about it, for a few months: he drew with the town council on several members from the League, which he seriously wounded. Member of local association Let us reinvent Nanterre, it engaged also in humane organizations, and accomplished voyages in Kosovo and in Bosnia entre 1998 and 2002.

Followed by a general practitioner for psychological problems since 1983, it had been exempted military service after a suicide attempt during the " three days " . In 1990, a new missed suicide had been worth to him to be hospitalized in Paris. In 1995, it had started a regular psychotherapy follow-up, which did not prevent a disconcerting episode. The 10 juillet 1998, Richard Durn threatened of a weapon with fire the doctor who received it at the office of university psychological assistance (Bapu), in Ve district of Paris. It was on this date the legal holder of three weapons (2 pistolets Glock and 1 revolver Smith and Wesson) which it had obtained on a purely sporting basis. Bapu, which depends on the Red Cross, gave alarm. " the description was made to the head doctor of Ddass " , according to professor Marc Gentilini, the president of the Red Cross. But Ddass warned neither the font, nor the prosecutor of Paris.

Richard Durn took antidepressants since. He did not have friends, not a known girl friend, and lived at his mother, Stefanina Durn, soixante-cinq years. She told the drift of her son to the journalists, without opening the gate of her apartment of Nanterre, speaking through the mailbox. " My son often spoke to kill, it gave much of his time for nothing, it felt vegetable, salts, rotted, it did not have friends and not work. It repeated me " I am a tramp, I always live at home " " . It kept, according to his mother, a tooth against the municipality: " They never did anything for him. They never gave him anything in exchange of its engagement, except a proposal for a housing very rotted. The mayor of made Nanterre seems not to know my son " .

It learned slaughter with 3 h 30 du morning, when it awoke and listened to the radio. " I often claimed his weapon to him , ensures the lady. It was sick, and refused the life. It was perhaps said that for finishing some, it was necessary that it kills as much as possible. If it had had destroying weapons, it would have killed much more " .

Pascal Ceaux, Franck Johannès and Piotr Smolar


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A " serious abnormal operation "

A joint investigation was immediately opened by the French ministries of the justice and the interior after the suicide of Richard Durn. The killer threw himself towards 10. 15 by a small window placed in the roof of a small mansard-roofed office on the 4th floor of the 36, Quai of the Goldsmiths, sits of the Criminal Investigation Department, where it was questioned since a score of minutes by a lieutenant and a shift worker. This office included/understood only one window of normal size, located at 1,60 m of the ground, and which was closed, according to the font. " At the time when Richard Durn was invited to rise to come to consult a document with the table of the investigator, it suddenly leaped in direction of Vélux which it opened and precipitated towards the roof " , affirmed the prefecture of font. " the two civils servant tried to retain it by the legs but the determination of the exaggerated one, of which the main part of the body had already rocked outside, made vain this attempt " , it added

For the Minister of Interior Department Daniel Vaillant, which opened a joint investigation with his/her colleague of justice Marilyse Lebranchu, there was a " serious abnormal operation " . The advertisement of this suicide, 24 hours hardly after carnage at the end of the meeting of the town council in the town hall of Nanterre, caused the indignation of the mayor (communist), itself rescapée. " There is no excuse with the suicide (of Richard Durn), declared Jacqueline Fraysse. Elected officials with the danger of their life threw themselves on this man, took his weapon to him, they were seriously wounded and on their bed of hospital they learn that this man committed suicide. The elected officials risked their life to stop it, the font and justice is not able of to supervise ", S ' is indign 3rd E M me Fraysse before D ' 3rd clater in sobs. Several D 3rd could 3rd S of L ' opposition of right-hand side have demand 3rd D 3rd mission of the two ministers concern 3rd S. **time-out** the killer have obtain some authorization of D 3rd tention D ' arm in 1997 but, contrary with this qu ' have indiqu 3rd the F 3rd D 3rd ration fran ç ease of shooting, of which it 3rd TAIT member, its authorization of D 3rd tention D ' arm 3rd TAIT p 3rd rim 3rd E, this one N ' have not 3rd T 3rd renouvel 3rd E in 2000, have affirm 3rd Mr. Valiant. Remain with D 3rd to finish how it could preserve its weapons since then. During his police custody, the killer had avou 3rd with the police officers to have " coldly and knowingly you 3rd ", and " to have Pr 3rd by 3rd and pens 3rd before " with F ç there of which it was going to act this evening-L with, is one Pr 3rd cis 3rd of source polici the 2nd Re. One day of mourning will be observ 3rd Tuesday next with Nanterre and the majority of the administrations, associations, 3rd tablissements school as L ' universit 3rd will remain ferm 3rd S this day-L with.

Avec AFP