RE: User Error Blamed For Toyota 'Sudden Acceleration'
Discussion
Ug_lee said:
About time it was shown for the sham it was. Toyota lost significant market share to the domestic car makers, coincidentally when the big 2 were in dire straits. I hope they can take that back when it becomes clear just how good they are compared to what GM and Ford are turning out for the US market.
It's interesting to note that they have a form of diagnostics that log the conditions the car was under just prior to an accident. I had always wondered how they do that? And how much detail it records. Can this data be recovered via the OBD2 plug?
Is data recorded from when brakes were applied? I notice on some Toyota ECU's they have an input from the stop light relay. Despite no cruise control fitted. Ie no information, no pressy the brakes?
Can a Toyota tech enlighten me on this?
It's all in the airbag ECU.It's interesting to note that they have a form of diagnostics that log the conditions the car was under just prior to an accident. I had always wondered how they do that? And how much detail it records. Can this data be recovered via the OBD2 plug?
Is data recorded from when brakes were applied? I notice on some Toyota ECU's they have an input from the stop light relay. Despite no cruise control fitted. Ie no information, no pressy the brakes?
Can a Toyota tech enlighten me on this?
People have been done in the UK using data recovered.
Morons! Driving without due care and attention would seem to be the least charge - Driving whilst under the influce of stupidity might be better.
Even for the one case of a stuck acclerator would they not think of putting the 'tranny' in neutral. Really effective way of disconnecting the engine from the wheels. They could stamp on the acclerator to their heart's content then.
Even for the one case of a stuck acclerator would they not think of putting the 'tranny' in neutral. Really effective way of disconnecting the engine from the wheels. They could stamp on the acclerator to their heart's content then.
Columnist Chris Theodore sums it up most succinctly in this month's Automotive Testing Technology magazine:
" The USA has by far the largest number of reported cases, even for common vehicles that are sold globally. It is no coincidence that a country with a laughable driver-education program, and the largest population of trial lawyers, has the greatest number of reported incidents and lawsuits."
" The USA has by far the largest number of reported cases, even for common vehicles that are sold globally. It is no coincidence that a country with a laughable driver-education program, and the largest population of trial lawyers, has the greatest number of reported incidents and lawsuits."
I really do hope Toyota sues the pants off all the creeps but knowing toyota they wont sue anybody because its not "the toyota way" of doing things.
Shocking how much coverage was given to all the dodgy accelerators bet we wont hear a peep about this new revelation. i wonder what else the media spins to make us fools???
Shocking how much coverage was given to all the dodgy accelerators bet we wont hear a peep about this new revelation. i wonder what else the media spins to make us fools???
RED_P47 said:
i wonder what else the media spins to make us fools???
Word of advice - don't start trying to find out...pretty-soon it'll be a full-time job for you and you'll end up with a tin-foil hat and will change your username to somethink like 'justayellowbadge'.Oh, wait a minute...
Toyota could counter-sue but it would be pointless... they've already spent millions on this sorry saga and they won't get 1% of it back regardless of the outcome.
Another victory for the hoards of vulture lawyers in the US. Not to mention the domestic car manufacturers - mud sticks for a long time in the US even when it's proven to be misplaced.
If I were into conspiracy theories I could even believe the US Fed Gov fanned these particular flames to upset Toyota's growth curve...
Another victory for the hoards of vulture lawyers in the US. Not to mention the domestic car manufacturers - mud sticks for a long time in the US even when it's proven to be misplaced.
If I were into conspiracy theories I could even believe the US Fed Gov fanned these particular flames to upset Toyota's growth curve...
Mermaid said:
daveco said:
Can the people who made the false claims be prosecuted for wasting insurer's/law court's/Toyota's time?
That's a good idea...
These are the kind of w
kers that ruin society for everyone; The H&S wombles, the PC-brigade and the leeching lefties pander to them and introduce so much bureaucracy, red-tape and restrictions that the rest of us can't even explore original ideas. Society is dumbed-down and those that are actually capable of independent thought get penalised when they ignore the resulting outrageous regulations.For what? To try and shield numpties from their own stupidity? That's an exercise in futility if ever I saw one!
These people need to be taught not just about their rights, but also their responsibilities. I.E. You can't just act like a f
g idiot and then blame everyone else when you screw up. If you want to drive yourself to the shops; take some responsibility to learn how to control the car and how to drive properly. Don't rely on everyone else dumbing down to cater for you.The ambulance-chasing bandwagon and the compensation culture that's manifest in the U.S. is infecting the U.K. like a paralysing disease. It's a prime example of how chavvy pondlife expect to live. The just consume without putting anything back into society - how the previous Government expected to sustain this "something for nothing" culture is anyone's guess (but would probably have involved taxing and fining people for innocent, everyday things).
Clivey said:
Mermaid said:
daveco said:
Can the people who made the false claims be prosecuted for wasting insurer's/law court's/Toyota's time?
That's a good idea...These are the kind of w
kers that ruin society for everyone; The H&S wombles, the PC-brigade and the leeching lefties pander to them and introduce so much bureaucracy, red-tape and restrictions that the rest of us can't even explore original ideas. Society is dumbed-down and those that are actually capable of independent thought get penalised when they ignore the resulting outrageous regulations.For what? To try and shield numpties from their own stupidity? That's an exercise in futility if ever I saw one!
These people need to be taught not just about their rights, but also their responsibilities. I.E. You can't just act like a f
g idiot and then blame everyone else when you screw up. If you want to drive yourself to the shops; take some responsibility to learn how to control the car and how to drive properly. Don't rely on everyone else dumbing down to cater for you.The ambulance-chasing bandwagon and the compensation culture that's manifest in the U.S. is infecting the U.K. like a paralysing disease. It's a prime example of how chavvy pondlife expect to live. The just consume without putting anything back into society - how the previous Government expected to sustain this "something for nothing" culture is anyone's guess (but would probably have involved taxing and fining people for innocent, everyday things).
NitroNick said:
fatbaldbloke said:
NSmith, NitroNick. Are you two American by any chance?
No.I genuinely don't understand the comment about feeling sorry for GM in all of this.
Sorry if its obvious, I just don't see it.
Deva Link said:
Ug_lee said:
About time it was shown for the sham it was. Toyota lost significant market share to the domestic car makers, coincidentally when the big 2 were in dire straits. I hope they can take that back when it becomes clear just how good they are compared to what GM and Ford are turning out for the US market.
It's interesting to note that they have a form of diagnostics that log the conditions the car was under just prior to an accident. I had always wondered how they do that? And how much detail it records. Can this data be recovered via the OBD2 plug?
Is data recorded from when brakes were applied? I notice on some Toyota ECU's they have an input from the stop light relay. Despite no cruise control fitted. Ie no information, no pressy the brakes?
Can a Toyota tech enlighten me on this?
It's all in the airbag ECU.It's interesting to note that they have a form of diagnostics that log the conditions the car was under just prior to an accident. I had always wondered how they do that? And how much detail it records. Can this data be recovered via the OBD2 plug?
Is data recorded from when brakes were applied? I notice on some Toyota ECU's they have an input from the stop light relay. Despite no cruise control fitted. Ie no information, no pressy the brakes?
Can a Toyota tech enlighten me on this?
People have been done in the UK using data recovered.
nsmith1180 said:
NitroNick said:
fatbaldbloke said:
NSmith, NitroNick. Are you two American by any chance?
No.I genuinely don't understand the comment about feeling sorry for GM in all of this.
Sorry if its obvious, I just don't see it.
Then again, it could have been someone without any sense of logic...plenty of them on PH now!
First of all we should seriously cull the legal profession (sic). A good start would be to halve it and standardise many legal procedures across Europe and possibly the world. Why should it be a different process buying house in England compared with Scotland, Portugal, Finland etc. The legal profession are the only people to gain from Toyota, BP etc.
Also why are Transocean and Haliburton not getting as much stick as BP (especially in the press), is it because they are US companies and the latter has links with that nice Mr Cheney??
If you are a solicitor, get a constructive worthwhile job. Rant over, I am going through a divorce so a bit jaded......
Also why are Transocean and Haliburton not getting as much stick as BP (especially in the press), is it because they are US companies and the latter has links with that nice Mr Cheney??
If you are a solicitor, get a constructive worthwhile job. Rant over, I am going through a divorce so a bit jaded......
Even scarier when you think that (I assume) the majority of US cars sold are mainly Automatic transmission (not 'stick shift'), hence only the two pedals to worry about. And, the brake pedal on Auto's does tend to be rather large too... Not really that hard to miss.
This said, I once had a brand new (company car - of French origin) that tried it's best to kill me when the accelerator pedal got firmly stuck under the factory fitted mat. Had just booted it onto a big roundabout when it happened. Realising you're absolutely stuck on full throttle heading into traffic - not a fun experience. Luckily it had easy to clean leather seats...
This said, I once had a brand new (company car - of French origin) that tried it's best to kill me when the accelerator pedal got firmly stuck under the factory fitted mat. Had just booted it onto a big roundabout when it happened. Realising you're absolutely stuck on full throttle heading into traffic - not a fun experience. Luckily it had easy to clean leather seats...
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