RE: Coventry Company Buys Out Spyker
Discussion
timewatch said:
B10 said:
Would you like mummy to kiss it better for you?
Swearing and making crass comments about British industry are a bit juvenile. Perhaps more considered comments would garner a better response.
Quote* Would you like mummy to kiss it better for you? Swearing and making crass comments about British industry are a bit juvenile. Perhaps more considered comments would garner a better response.
Is one referring to our so-called British car industry by this?
Your so rightious!
You lead the way mate the Tory party needs people like you!!!!!
TW>>>
HowMuchLonger said:
So Spyker buy Saab, then sell Spyker. What was the point in buying Saab then?
How do you think the wages compare between a boardmember of a small, niche supercar producer compare to those of a global family car manufacturer. Plus, how do the stock options compare and the liklihood of selling/listing at a future date? There in lies your answer 
The Hypno-Toad said:
Well, they do and they don't.
I'm afraid we're into the land of lies, lies & statistics here. But first of all, let me say again on PH I have no grudge at all against Saab. I sold their cars for 8 years and enjoyed every minute until I saw the way the GM wind was blowing but...
Just in the UK last year Saab registered 6000 cars, Lexus registered 6200 and Porsche (in the middle of a recession) registered 6800.
When I was selling Saab, we were always taught that our prinicple opposition was BMW & Audi. They did 99000 & 109000 last year. Jaguar (who now haven't even really got the XType to sell) also managed 16000. So just in case anyone missed that, Audi & BMW did 3 times the amount of sales that Saab achived worldwide last year, in the UK alone..
So far this year both Audi & BMW have registered units between 8000 - 8800, Saab have registered 452. (Lexus managed 469, Jaguar 856.)
Now I know that the UK is one of the biggest target markets for ze Germans but with the great black hole that was GM's accounts department gone, how do those sales figures add up to a level of sustainable business? Let alone manage to fund improvements to the model range and investment in new product, which at the end of the day is why they are in the mess they are in now. The whole Spyker buy out was very good for GM because when it all goes breasts up they will be able to say "Not our fault, Spykers bad management," so the massive job losses won't bounce back on them and the Spyker people will be too busy counting their money on a beach somewhere to worry.
As I said they are Doing A Rover, which as someone who once loved the product, makes me very sad indeed.
& FYI I hope you can appreciate how seriously I take this subject as I let both the mention of Gaydon and Brownhills go by without posting 'that' picture.
Don't forget though that Europe doesn't have as many feckless turds living the dream as we do. I'm afraid we're into the land of lies, lies & statistics here. But first of all, let me say again on PH I have no grudge at all against Saab. I sold their cars for 8 years and enjoyed every minute until I saw the way the GM wind was blowing but...
Just in the UK last year Saab registered 6000 cars, Lexus registered 6200 and Porsche (in the middle of a recession) registered 6800.
When I was selling Saab, we were always taught that our prinicple opposition was BMW & Audi. They did 99000 & 109000 last year. Jaguar (who now haven't even really got the XType to sell) also managed 16000. So just in case anyone missed that, Audi & BMW did 3 times the amount of sales that Saab achived worldwide last year, in the UK alone..
So far this year both Audi & BMW have registered units between 8000 - 8800, Saab have registered 452. (Lexus managed 469, Jaguar 856.)
Now I know that the UK is one of the biggest target markets for ze Germans but with the great black hole that was GM's accounts department gone, how do those sales figures add up to a level of sustainable business? Let alone manage to fund improvements to the model range and investment in new product, which at the end of the day is why they are in the mess they are in now. The whole Spyker buy out was very good for GM because when it all goes breasts up they will be able to say "Not our fault, Spykers bad management," so the massive job losses won't bounce back on them and the Spyker people will be too busy counting their money on a beach somewhere to worry.
As I said they are Doing A Rover, which as someone who once loved the product, makes me very sad indeed.
& FYI I hope you can appreciate how seriously I take this subject as I let both the mention of Gaydon and Brownhills go by without posting 'that' picture.
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Thursday 24th February 19:04
If Saab stuck some tango'd w
e or ball kicking skuzzer in the car then it's UK sales would go through the roof. Just so long as they had a nice looking finance deal for the morons. 
DonkeyApple said:
Don't forget though that Europe doesn't have as many feckless turds living the dream as we do.
If Saab stuck some tango'd we or ball kicking skuzzer in the car then it's UK sales would go through the roof. Just so long as they had a nice looking finance deal for the morons.
Wouldn't it be far better to put a stop to the feckless turds peddling the dream to us in the first place.If Saab stuck some tango'd w
e or ball kicking skuzzer in the car then it's UK sales would go through the roof. Just so long as they had a nice looking finance deal for the morons. TheCoolerKing said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Right, kids?
I only look at the Soovy for a laugh tbh. No paper really projects my own political viewpoint.
I think your comment from earlier does have some validity though and as we go deeper into this depression, which I is what I think we are now or about to be in, driving a new reg Audi or BMW will become a badge of "Look, look it isn't affecting me,"
I know its the politics of jealousy & envy and of course people need to spend their money in exactly the way that they want but I see problems ahead. If I was buying one of those cars now I would also be investing in a bodyshop because I can see a lot of keying going on in the coming months.
& of course I don't think its justified but very soon people are going to start looking for scapegoats and for people to blame. Its the way human nature works.
TheCoolerKing said:
DonkeyApple said:
Don't forget though that Europe doesn't have as many feckless turds living the dream as we do.
If Saab stuck some tango'd we or ball kicking skuzzer in the car then it's UK sales would go through the roof. Just so long as they had a nice looking finance deal for the morons.
Wouldn't it be far better to put a stop to the feckless turds peddling the dream to us in the first place.If Saab stuck some tango'd w
e or ball kicking skuzzer in the car then it's UK sales would go through the roof. Just so long as they had a nice looking finance deal for the morons. It's only supply being created to meet an existing demand. It's the demand that would be nice to curb but I have no idea how you stop so many people from wanting to be Jordan or Rio Ferdinand. If people want to be dumbasses then a business will always come along to assist them. The nanny state can only go so far, and I suspect that most PHers feel it has already surpassed that limit.
I think that the people who like Saab do so because it has an understated brand that delivers exactly what is asked of it, just like Audi of old, but Audi recognised that if they wanted to sell more units they had to appeal to the masses and thus joined the marketing ranks of Hello, Grazia etc etc. Same with Range Rover I guess.
Saab is far too subtle to meet the requirements of screaming how wealthy and glamourous you are to random stangers.
The Hypno-Toad said:
I only look at the Soovy for a laugh tbh. No paper really projects my own political viewpoint.
I think your comment from earlier does have some validity though and as we go deeper into this depression, which I is what I think we are now or about to be in, driving a new reg Audi or BMW will become a badge of "Look, look it isn't affecting me,"
I know its the politics of jealousy & envy and of course people need to spend their money in exactly the way that they want but I see problems ahead. If I was buying one of those cars now I would also be investing in a bodyshop because I can see a lot of keying going on in the coming months.
& of course I don't think its justified but very soon people are going to start looking for scapegoats and for people to blame. Its the way human nature works.
but to keep the thread on track. The basic problem with the Spyker thing is deals are done and hard working skilled folk are made to pay the price. Sure that's business but try telling that to the guy who is now facing unemployment. I'm not optimistic about a British sports car industry, history tells us once you take control away from the UK the company has a chance of survival.Driller said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's only supply being created to meet an existing demand.
No it's not, it's supply being created to meet a stupid demand created by brainwashing the public with aggressive
The UK stuff didn't start until we noticed that our population were being sucked in by the US style of marketing, at which point we dived into it.
Either way, we have alarge population of feckless turds living the dream and companies willing to package a product and market it to them.
But Saab has failed, in the UK, to get involved and become part of this beautiful cycle.
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