raceproved clutch and standard clutch slave cylinder

raceproved clutch and standard clutch slave cylinder

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greenracing

Original Poster:

259 posts

172 months

Tuesday 28th February 2012
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Just posting this for general information for others who may find the same problem!

If you have a raceproved clutch, you can’t fit a standard slave cylinder without modifying it.

Basically, the raceproved clutch assembly is slightly deeper than a standard AP unit and if you fit a new standard clutch slave cylinder, you will almost certainly find the clutch slips after doing a road test!

Why you will now be asking (unless you already know!)?

Basically, to accommodate the deeper clutch unit, raceproved shorten the length of the inner slave cylinder piston to allow it to return further.

My original slave cylinder was the original unit (plain S/S, single seals), not a double seal raceproved slave, so when I replaced it with a new standard slave, I though all would work fine. However, you need to have the inner piston machined down to allow the it to return far enough not to cause the clutch to slip.

Hopefully this will be of use to someone at some point!

Many thanks to Mark at racetech who was able to do the comparison and help me out and also supplied the new slave cylinder.


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jackwibble

664 posts

160 months

Tuesday 28th February 2012
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I thought the whole point was that the standard TVR slave cylinder was not up to the job and the Raceproved replacement was far superior so why go back to standard?

ridds

8,226 posts

245 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Odd, I have an RP double seal slave cylinder running on a std clutch with no issues at all....

greenracing

Original Poster:

259 posts

172 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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As far as i know, there are mixed reviews on the raceproved version as the front seal is normally running dry as the fluid should only get past the back seal if the back seal has gone. This means that the front seal normally goes first and ends up breaking up the rear seal.

BUT........

I have not had a raceproved version, so cant give my opinion just that of others that i have read on PH.

In terms of the std one, the last time mine had work was over 5 years ago (before i purchased the car 2 years ago), so i think the standard one is fine. Just remember to change the fluid more often to help extend the life of the seals!

Running a raceproved version with a standard clutch is also fine as the length of the outer cylinder the piston runs through is the same, so in theory, the raceproved version will extend just as far, its just that the raceproved version retracts further to give clearance for a deeper clutch should you need it.

Gazzab

21,108 posts

283 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Where'd you read that stuff on ph ? Never heard that before.

Gray_101

1,118 posts

191 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Isnt there a mark I and a mark II RP slave, and also some times the bell housing needs a mod, depending on the year of the car to make them work correctly

FarmyardPants

4,112 posts

219 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Re the front seal running dry, could this be remedied by fitting the piston while the whole thing is immersed in brake fluid, trapping fluid between the seals? Any fluid that gets past the first seal would transfer hydraulic pressure to the front seal. And the front seal would be kept lub'ed.

Tanguero

4,535 posts

202 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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greenracing said:
As far as i know, there are mixed reviews on the raceproved version as the front seal is normally running dry as the fluid should only get past the back seal if the back seal has gone. This means that the front seal normally goes first and ends up breaking up the rear seal.

BUT........

I have not had a raceproved version, so cant give my opinion just that of others that i have read on PH.
Can you show us the thread where this is discussed? I have not been able to find anything about this and have never heard (or had) anything but praise for the Raceproved slave.

Steve_T

6,356 posts

273 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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I've not seen anything of this nature either. Regardless I would say though that the RP slave seems far more durable - the standard item would last 10k or so before I'd need (yet) another one. No such issues with the RP slave.

Mr Cerbera

5,035 posts

231 months

Thursday 1st March 2012
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Now this Post has come at a perfect time for me.

Seals have just gone on Standard Slave after 12,000 - which IMHO should be classified as "unfit for purpose".

Would love to convert to something more reliable but the OP has scared the crap out of me.

Goin' on holiday for a week now so am looking forward to some more, substantiated, input when I return.

Ryan, what was Raceprooved's reaction when you told them about your problem ??

Gazzab

21,108 posts

283 months

Thursday 1st March 2012
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Wasn't the op talking about a Raceproved clutch with a standard slave...?
Anyway a rp slave is without doubt a significant improvement and any stories of woe don't stack up as far as I can see...?

jackwibble

664 posts

160 months

Thursday 1st March 2012
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Had mine done at RP last month with their slave and AP clutch its super smooth and very very light pedal action the previous standard slave had done 10,000 and the clutch was super stiff.

Its a joy to change gear now! driving

Mark.

11,104 posts

277 months

Thursday 1st March 2012
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Gazzab said:
Wasn't the op talking about a Raceproved clutch with a standard slave...?
Anyway a rp slave is without doubt a significant improvement and any stories of woe don't stack up as far as I can see...?
yes

Steve_T

6,356 posts

273 months

Thursday 1st March 2012
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Gazzab said:
Wasn't the op talking about a Raceproved clutch with a standard slave...?
Anyway a rp slave is without doubt a significant improvement and any stories of woe don't stack up as far as I can see...?
I don't know about the RP clutch pack and standard slave as a combo, but I wouldn't hesitate to run the RP slave and standard clutch pack. I also agree that to return to using the standard consumable slave would be a big step backwards!

Pursyluv

1,927 posts

175 months

Thursday 1st March 2012
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jackwibble said:
Had mine done at RP last month with their slave and AP clutch its super smooth and very very light pedal action the previous standard slave had done 10,000 and the clutch was super stiff.

Its a joy to change gear now! driving
Ditto the above last October

greenracing

Original Poster:

259 posts

172 months

Thursday 1st March 2012
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ok, just got the modified piston back from the machine shop, its now assembled and I will hopefully get the car back together Saturday morning.

re my previous post, I searched for info about the various options back in sept when I had issues with my original unit, however, I can't find the post that talks about the front seal going dry to refer to. Since the other comments on this OP 100% back the raceproved unit I may have made the wrong choice going for the standard unit frown




Pursyluv

1,927 posts

175 months

Thursday 1st March 2012
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greenracing said:
ok, just got the modified piston back from the machine shop, its now assembled and I will hopefully get the car back together Saturday morning.

re my previous post, I searched for info about the various options back in sept when I had issues with my original unit, however, I can't find the post that talks about the front seal going dry to refer to. Since the other comments on this OP 100% back the raceproved unit I may have made the wrong choice going for the standard unit frown
Don't worry you won't have long to wait until you're fitting the RaceProved version wink

Mark.

11,104 posts

277 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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Pursyluv said:
Don't worry you won't have long to wait until you're fitting the RaceProved version wink
hehe

greenracing

Original Poster:

259 posts

172 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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Like I said in the OP, I haven't had a bad experience with the original one - yet!

scotty_d

6,795 posts

195 months

Sunday 27th January 2013
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I have had a slight weep from under the bell housing since i bought the car a few years ago never lost much fluid but since the engine and box are out time to investigate the leak.

I have pulled the bell housing off and it has race proved stamped on the clutch fingers and they also look much beefier than the standard AP clutch fingers as i have a spare standard clutch lying there as well.

Can any one shed light on this? I am yet to pop the piston out to see what type is fitted but i will in the coming weeks.