Can of worms but?
Discussion
CHIMV8 said:
Just interested which is considered the better engine V8 or Speed 6.
I get the impresssion its one of the V8 models?
I actually preferred the Speed 6 to drive when I test drove both models I found it sweeter revving & smoother but I personally wanted a V8 for my fist TVR so I settled on the 4.5.I get the impresssion its one of the V8 models?
Both engines will put a massive smile on your face so its not really worth worrying about too much just get your foot down & hang on!!
Chalk and cheese
V8 is like a dog, always wants to play at any RPM
S6 is pussy cat under 4k rpm, sabre toothed tiger with toothache over 4k
If I was to be 100% honest I think the V8s are a bit special, not better, just more of 'an event' however I actually prefer having a S6, the worry over long term parts availability would keep me awake with a V8. No such concerns with the S6
V8 is like a dog, always wants to play at any RPM
S6 is pussy cat under 4k rpm, sabre toothed tiger with toothache over 4k
If I was to be 100% honest I think the V8s are a bit special, not better, just more of 'an event' however I actually prefer having a S6, the worry over long term parts availability would keep me awake with a V8. No such concerns with the S6
Edited by PuffsBack on Wednesday 15th January 21:54
Tanguero said:
Better?? In what way?
Smoother and the better sounding dare I say it, as fast as any ajp with all the options out there for it now, I would not dismiss it at all, I enjoyed my Tuscan sp6, over 4k rpm it is a total monster.All my opinions of course of living with both engines.
Tanguero said:
robsco said:
The Speed Six is, objectively speaking, the better engine. The AJP is the more special. That's it, as far as I'm concerned.
Better?? In what way? Edited by robsco on Thursday 16th January 11:02
robsco said:
Smoother, less agricultural, better road manners (particularly round town), just as powerful (Tuscan built to S spec felt crazier than both 4.2 and 4.5 AJPs, though probably down to power delivery), whilst providing a soundtrack which is tuneful and majestic rather than a blare!
Hmmm. Purely subjective and completely debatable. Neither engine is "better" They are just different. However to say that an AJP lacks road manners is complete rubbish. To claim that a stock Speed Six is more powerful than either a 4.2 or 4.5 AJP is measurably incorrect - even TVR didn't claim that.
"Agricultural" doesn't even warrant being dignified with a response.
I've never driven or been a AJP but I have owned a Sp6. It was scarily fast and the power just fired you towards the horizon. Sound was awesome and it was very civilised around town.
Having spoken to Barry at TVR Ecosse, his view is the Sp6 is the better engine to live with if you drive round town.
In all honesty though, who is going to be disappointed with either engine?
Having spoken to Barry at TVR Ecosse, his view is the Sp6 is the better engine to live with if you drive round town.
In all honesty though, who is going to be disappointed with either engine?
Tanguero said:
robsco said:
Smoother, less agricultural, better road manners (particularly round town), just as powerful (Tuscan built to S spec felt crazier than both 4.2 and 4.5 AJPs, though probably down to power delivery), whilst providing a soundtrack which is tuneful and majestic rather than a blare!
Hmmm. Purely subjective and completely debatable. Neither engine is "better" They are just different. However to say that an AJP lacks road manners is complete rubbish. To claim that a stock Speed Six is more powerful than either a 4.2 or 4.5 AJP is measurably incorrect - even TVR didn't claim that.
robsco said:
I would suggest that you take a deep breath, and read my post properly, before leaping to the attack. I have reread my post above, and nowhere do I claim that the AJP lacks road manners, nor did I claim that the Speed Six is more powerful.
Really?robsco said:
Smoother, less agricultural, better road manners (particularly round town), just as powerful (Tuscan built to S spec felt crazier than both 4.2 and 4.5 AJPs, though probably down to power delivery), whilst providing a soundtrack which is tuneful and majestic rather than a blare!
Edited by robsco on Thursday 16th January 11:02
Tanguero said:
robsco said:
I would suggest that you take a deep breath, and read my post properly, before leaping to the attack. I have reread my post above, and nowhere do I claim that the AJP lacks road manners, nor did I claim that the Speed Six is more powerful.
Really?robsco said:
Smoother, less agricultural, better road manners (particularly round town), just as powerful (Tuscan built to S spec felt crazier than both 4.2 and 4.5 AJPs, though probably down to power delivery), whilst providing a soundtrack which is tuneful and majestic rather than a blare!
Edited by robsco on Thursday 16th January 11:02
robsco said:
Are you being deliberately obtuse? My statement was that the Speed Six has superior road manners to the AJP; this does NOT translate to the AJP lacking road manners. How you have translated "just as powerful" to "more powerful" is entirely baffling. "Felt crazier, though probably down to power delivery", is a description of how the Speed Six's engine characteristics make it feel like the more powerful engine, emotively, not mathematically. Must I dissect anymore?
If you say so... clearly the Speed Six is a much "better" engine. My mistake. How stupid of me. Tanguero said:
robsco said:
Are you being deliberately obtuse? My statement was that the Speed Six has superior road manners to the AJP; this does NOT translate to the AJP lacking road manners. How you have translated "just as powerful" to "more powerful" is entirely baffling. "Felt crazier, though probably down to power delivery", is a description of how the Speed Six's engine characteristics make it feel like the more powerful engine, emotively, not mathematically. Must I dissect anymore?
If you say so... clearly the Speed Six is a much "better" engine. My mistake. How stupid of me. A can of worms, indeed. Truly opened.
I guess 4 valves per cylinder, dry sump and higher rev limit could point to the Speed 6 being the "better" engine on paper.
I went for the AJP because I always wanted a Cerbera (ever since watching the Clarkson drag race video!) and that was the engine that was unique to the Cerbera.
They both sound awesome, they both go like excrement off a polished shovel and they are both installed into a fantastic looking car, you can't lose really.
I went for the AJP because I always wanted a Cerbera (ever since watching the Clarkson drag race video!) and that was the engine that was unique to the Cerbera.
They both sound awesome, they both go like excrement off a polished shovel and they are both installed into a fantastic looking car, you can't lose really.
pmessling said:
Please note that the Cerbera 6 dampers are also black and the fronts are identical externally to
the V8 units, do not mix them up as the internal valving is very different.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Presumably because the Speed 6 engine is so much heavier?the V8 units, do not mix them up as the internal valving is very different.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
ukkid35 said:
pmessling said:
Please note that the Cerbera 6 dampers are also black and the fronts are identical externally to
the V8 units, do not mix them up as the internal valving is very different.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Presumably because the Speed 6 engine is so much heavier?the V8 units, do not mix them up as the internal valving is very different.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Always an interesting subject that will be raised over and over. For the me personally the Cerbera is the AJP, BUT I think the Speed 6 is also a great engine, so it depends on how sir likes his Cerbera served.
You could of course quantify your argument on both units with such areas as, torque of the AJP, smoothness of the SP6, development of the SP6 (Partly as a result of its failures), Power to weight of the units (AJP better?), Noise, Delivery or whatever else but I think they both actually suit the car so try both and see which you prefer.
You could of course quantify your argument on both units with such areas as, torque of the AJP, smoothness of the SP6, development of the SP6 (Partly as a result of its failures), Power to weight of the units (AJP better?), Noise, Delivery or whatever else but I think they both actually suit the car so try both and see which you prefer.
robsco said:
Tanguero said:
robsco said:
Are you being deliberately obtuse? My statement was that the Speed Six has superior road manners to the AJP; this does NOT translate to the AJP lacking road manners. How you have translated "just as powerful" to "more powerful" is entirely baffling. "Felt crazier, though probably down to power delivery", is a description of how the Speed Six's engine characteristics make it feel like the more powerful engine, emotively, not mathematically. Must I dissect anymore?
If you say so... clearly the Speed Six is a much "better" engine. My mistake. How stupid of me. A can of worms, indeed. Truly opened.
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