Can of worms but?

Can of worms but?

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natben

2,743 posts

232 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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Guys CHILL, No matter what engine you get in your Cerbera you will not be disappointed.
I do not think one is better than the other as they all feel different ,what they all have in common is fabulous character and awsome power so relax and enjoy whichever engine variant you have and celebrate the fact you are behind the wheel of a truly marvelous machine.

Tanguero

4,535 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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robsco said:
tumbleweed
Sorry - had to work.

My real point is not to regurgitate the endless comparisons, but that you cannot possibly say that one engine is "better" than the other.

Particularly when the engine you claim is "better" is universally acknowledged as having design flaws that mean that a rebuild is a virtual necessity to stop it from self destructing.

They are both great engines, and in my experience the differences are not as great as many would have you believe. Neither can claim to be a "better" engine without at least specifying precisely how you define "better"

CHIMV8

Original Poster:

2,768 posts

222 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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Think i'll keep my mouth shut next timeeek

m3coupe

1,104 posts

205 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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CHIMV8 said:
Think i'll keep my mouth shut next timeeek
Perfectly reasonable question you asked, unfortunately a disagreement gone a bit too far. Maybe back to the question instead of I said, you meant, we don't care.

Alun450

12,424 posts

150 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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Is my finger on the button of a nuclear bomb but which is faster in a Cerb the 6 or the 8.
Its bound to be timed in tenths rather than seconds surely!
What's the figures,
Straight 6,V8 there all rather good especially the RV8?!!!!!!
Being serious for a nano second, as has already been said
there going to have there own character and I'd drive both then decide which one floated my boat.

There both fecking brilliant in my book. Lol

robsco

7,833 posts

177 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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Tanguero said:
robsco said:
tumbleweed
Sorry - had to work.

My real point is not to regurgitate the endless comparisons, but that you cannot possibly say that one engine is "better" than the other.

Particularly when the engine you claim is "better" is universally acknowledged as having design flaws that mean that a rebuild is a virtual necessity to stop it from self destructing.

They are both great engines, and in my experience the differences are not as great as many would have you believe. Neither can claim to be a "better" engine without at least specifying precisely how you define "better"
Well, each to their own. As it happens, despite my own opinions on the subject, I was lured back to the Cerbera with a second AJP - make of that what you will. smile

coetzeeh

2,648 posts

237 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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I met a TVR enthusiast who owns one of each Cerb types:
a very early 4.2 (the third Cerb ever built)
a 2001 4.5
a 2000 sp6

When travelling distance he chooses the sp6 every time. Keeps the 4.2 for what it is and the 4.5 is used for the occasional blast.

Sounds about right to me.

PuffsBack

2,430 posts

226 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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Alun450 said:
Is my finger on the button of a nuclear bomb but which is faster in a Cerb the 6 or the 8.
Its bound to be timed in tenths rather than seconds surely!
What's the figures,
Straight 6,V8 there all rather good especially the RV8?!!!!!!
Being serious for a nano second, as has already been said
there going to have there own character and I'd drive both then decide which one floated my boat.

There both fecking brilliant in my book. Lol
On a country road the V8's will be faster simply because they require less effort to keep the pace up. The S6 needs to be kept in the 'zone' and that's hard work (but enormous fun)! its not the the SP6's are that much slower, its because you will be knackered first!

I wouldn't take much notice of the figures, all these engines were hand build with various degrees of componant quality etc so none will be identical. You will fine good and bad examples of both even when in rude health

Alun450

12,424 posts

150 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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That makes perfect sense to me!
The old Rover lump is great fun on track, take hairpins in third and hold on, it does make it much easier to drive than having to drop another gear!

Still the extra revs of the 6 must be huge fun when its all on the pipe!



ukkid35

6,182 posts

174 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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Alun450 said:
That makes perfect sense to me!
The old Rover lump is great fun on track, take hairpins in third and hold on, it does make it much easier to drive than having to drop another gear!

Still the extra revs of the 6 must be huge fun when its all on the pipe!
There was actually someone on here, or in the classifieds, who was selling a Cerb with and RV8, but I imagine it's probably the only one in existence.


Alun450

12,424 posts

150 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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I'm nostalgic but I wouldn't put that old lump in a Cerb! Lol.

Byker28i

60,056 posts

218 months

Tuesday 21st January 2014
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coetzeeh said:
I met a TVR enthusiast who owns one of each Cerb types:
a very early 4.2 (the third Cerb ever built)
a 2001 4.5
a 2000 sp6

When travelling distance he chooses the sp6 every time. Keeps the 4.2 for what it is and the 4.5 is used for the occasional blast.

Sounds about right to me.
What you really need is a mapped 4.2 that brings all the torque in a 2k rev - makes it very driveable.
Plus - didn't Longbow prove the 4.2 was the quickest in acceleration.
As said though, it's only detectable in small inflections of your passenger saying 'fk thats fast'.

grahamn

1,777 posts

235 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Byker28i said:
coetzeeh said:
I met a TVR enthusiast who owns one of each Cerb types:
a very early 4.2 (the third Cerb ever built)
a 2001 4.5
a 2000 sp6

When travelling distance he chooses the sp6 every time. Keeps the 4.2 for what it is and the 4.5 is used for the occasional blast.

Sounds about right to me.
What you really need is a mapped 4.2 that brings all the torque in a 2k rev - makes it very driveable.
Plus - didn't Longbow prove the 4.2 was the quickest in acceleration.
As said though, it's only detectable in small inflections of your passenger saying 'fk thats fast'.
Now that mine has been mapped after its rebuild, it is back to how it was. I can quite happily go along at 30mph in 4th and 35 in 5th.

As for comparisons, when at Spa myself and a fellow speed6 cerb had a drag race down the kemmel straight and my 4.5 pulled away from him quite easily.

gruffalo

7,529 posts

227 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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I agree with Graham, a properly set up 4.5 can be a pussy cat in town when pottering.

Graham, give us a ring some time I need to let you know the trackday calendar.

Mark.

11,104 posts

277 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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gruffalo said:
I agree with Graham, a properly set up 4.5 can be a pussy cat in town when pottering.
yes 5th at 30mph is perfectly doable as is crawling at tickover in 1st. She just purrs along. No idea if it's had any fettling prior to me owning it.

CHIMV8

Original Poster:

2,768 posts

222 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Back on the lookout again after some contemplation time!!

Think is i am still torn between SP6 and AJP8!!!!

Corpulent Tosser

5,459 posts

246 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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The answer is to drive them back to back, not always easy I know.

I wanted a V8, I drove a RV8, then as it was available a S6 more out of curiosity than anything, then next day a AJP.

I didn't get on as well with the RV8 as I thought I would, I have driven two different examples and the lack of revs just didn't suit my driving style (which could of course have been adapted)
I loved the S6, certainly helped that it was a lovely looking car but I just liked the smooth revy nature.
The AJP (4.5) was just bonkers, certainly faster than the S6, but not as enjoyable (for me) to drive. It could just have been that car.

Upshot is that having wanted a V8 I have bought the S6 which I pick up two weeks today. biggrin

CHIMV8

Original Poster:

2,768 posts

222 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Corpulent Tosser said:
The answer is to drive them back to back, not always easy I know.

I wanted a V8, I drove a RV8, then as it was available a S6 more out of curiosity than anything, then next day a AJP.

I didn't get on as well with the RV8 as I thought I would, I have driven two different examples and the lack of revs just didn't suit my driving style (which could of course have been adapted)
I loved the S6, certainly helped that it was a lovely looking car but I just liked the smooth revy nature.
The AJP (4.5) was just bonkers, certainly faster than the S6, but not as enjoyable (for me) to drive. It could just have been that car.

Upshot is that having wanted a V8 I have bought the S6 which I pick up two weeks today. biggrin
Feedback apprecisted....pics of your new arrival

Corpulent Tosser

5,459 posts

246 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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I am in Angola right now but a couple of days after I get home at the end of the month I pick up this. biggrin



PGNCerbera

2,934 posts

167 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Owned a Tuscan and now have a 4.2 Cerb.

Thus far my preference for general road driving is the Speed 6.

For track days the V8.

Will definitely return to a Speed 6 at some point, possibly another Tuscan, hopefully a Sagaris.