Diff swap over.

Diff swap over.

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Mike Horne

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92 posts

115 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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Just got JAR1Y Back and it's bonkers fast..too fast for me! The previous owner had replaced the upgraded hydratrak diff with an apparent ex race team Lower geared 3.73:1 diff - and solid mounted it...unfortunately it's groaning and as it's solid mounted its resonating through the chassis!

All is not lost as I have the original with less than 15k on it so I'll just swap it over...is this a job that can be done without ramps and what are the problems to look for?

pmessling

2,284 posts

203 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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Easy enough on axle stands. How have they mounted it then. Are you going to need the three mounts to be able to mount it with bushes.

Polybush them any way to avoid future top mount deterioration.

I think I'd be having a good look around the area of the diff mounts for any fatigue given it was solid mounted as there would be no give and as you said been vibrating the whole car.

ukkid35

6,174 posts

173 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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When I bought my car it came with a spare diff in the boot. It was so heavy I couldn't lift it out. Good luck with the swap!

itsallyellow

3,661 posts

220 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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A diff swap isn't too bad. Just a pain getting to some of the mounts etc. if the fixings arnt too corroded then it should be an afternoons work.

I have a normal ratio diff I would happily swap with you.

Cheers

mikeufo

68 posts

114 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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Sorry to disagree, but I'm not so sure that it is that easy. First you need to remove the strengthening plate then the exhaust, most likely the rear anti roll bar will be in the way, speed sensor to disconnect as well as propshaft, drive shafts to disconnect and if your diff has been welded in place then I think you may be in for a lot of trouble - I'd hate to try doing all this without either a pit or ramp - I'd definitely do a bit more research before diving in - best of luck!!!

Brummmie

5,284 posts

221 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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Is it the standard type diff?
How has it been solid mounted, by putting solid mounts in the bush housing, or fabricated one offs?
If its a plated diff i wouldnt mind the centre clutch pack.
If its a standard type then knock the drive shaft flanges out otherwise its a super wriggle to get out.
If the car is a 98 on, the roll bar is above the diff so you wont need to go near it.

itsallyellow

3,661 posts

220 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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mikeufo said:
Sorry to disagree, but I'm not so sure that it is that easy. First you need to remove the strengthening plate then the exhaust, most likely the rear anti roll bar will be in the way, speed sensor to disconnect as well as propshaft, drive shafts to disconnect and if your diff has been welded in place then I think you may be in for a lot of trouble - I'd hate to try doing all this without either a pit or ramp - I'd definitely do a bit more research before diving in - best of luck!!!
I have changed a fair few! Just a pita getting the new one back in and mounted.

ridds

8,217 posts

244 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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Mind your fingers! hehe

pmessling

2,284 posts

203 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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mikeufo said:
Sorry to disagree, but I'm not so sure that it is that easy. First you need to remove the strengthening plate then the exhaust, most likely the rear anti roll bar will be in the way, speed sensor to disconnect as well as propshaft, drive shafts to disconnect and if your diff has been welded in place then I think you may be in for a lot of trouble - I'd hate to try doing all this without either a pit or ramp - I'd definitely do a bit more research before diving in - best of luck!!!
I done it on the drive with axle stands. I found best lowering the diff onto my chest then sliding it into a foam pad. Mainly because it has to go in at an angle to get past the chassis.

Brummmie

5,284 posts

221 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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I've done it on stands too, used a trolley jack.

mikeufo

68 posts

114 months

Wednesday 21st January 2015
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OK OK - you all make me feel completely inadequate!! But.... "lower the diff onto your chest" ... I'm not even going to try and compete... If I ever have to shake your hand please go gently.

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

212 months

Wednesday 21st January 2015
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I've done this with the car on axle stands too. It is tough, but I'm a skinny little fecker, so if I can do it anyone can!

From what I remember I lowered it down with a trolley jack, but put the new one in on my chest, lifting it into place, sticking the rear diff mount bolt in (just to hold it), then positioning it with a trolley jack, then putting the front mounts and bushes in, then taking the rear bolt out putting the bush in place.

The tricky bit is figuring out the jaunty angle it needs to be pulled out and put in at.

I would imagine it could be done in a long day. Think I took about three evenings to do it. Of course if you get a stuck mounting bolt or tricky bush then you can easily double a time estimate!

scotty_d

6,795 posts

194 months

Wednesday 21st January 2015
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Save hurting yourself and use a ramp, it makes light work of it, I can offer you mine for short use to do the job, I am in Killie if you are willing to travel.

Mike Horne

Original Poster:

92 posts

115 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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The previous owner tells me it's an ex Tuscan challenge straight cut diff...he loved the solid mounted touring car noise...just makes my ears bleed!

I think I'll get a price from the garage to swap over!

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

212 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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I imagine most of the noise (a whiny noise?) is caused by the straight cut gears rather than the solid mounting.

I had a straight cut gearbox and drop gears in a classic Mini once, loved the sound. I can imagine it gets a bit wearing in a GT car though.

itsallyellow

3,661 posts

220 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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If that's the case it sounds to me as if you have a tuscan challenge gearbox rather than a diff..... Tuscan challenge diffs don't make a noise.

Mike

Mike Horne

Original Poster:

92 posts

115 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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itsallyellow said:
If that's the case it sounds to me as if you have a tuscan challenge gearbox rather than a diff..... Tuscan challenge diffs don't make a noise.

Mike
Hmmm... The plot thickens, I've made contact with one of the mechanics who used to work on the car at Noel flannery's V8 spots & classics in east Lothian who swears blind he got to take the car home one evening and as the car was so powerful he got it to do a wheelie!!

I'm going to see him on Saturday so he can take it for a spin..

Brummmie

5,284 posts

221 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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It did a wheelie!?

Crikey...

Mike Horne

Original Poster:

92 posts

115 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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Brummmie said:
It did a wheelie!?

Crikey...
Apparently so...he said "I kid you not it did a f#####g wheelie and I totally sh#t myself"....so I have no other option but to believe that!!

Brummmie

5,284 posts

221 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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Mike Horne said:
Brummmie said:
It did a wheelie!?

Crikey...
Apparently so...he said "I kid you not it did a f#####g wheelie and I totally sh#t myself"....so I have no other option but to believe that!!
If it were my car I'd take the same option too! smile