Valuation article in Sprint
Discussion
Mr Cerbera said:
Dear All,
I am writing as a Cerbera owner and not as Cerbera Editor for the TVRCC.
Meanwhile the nay-sayers bleat their pathetic, vitriolic snipes and do f
k ALL !
People make mistakes. Grow up !PJ
Apart from the Irony of this post the silence from the club is disappointing but not unexpected if this is the attitude from the ' Cerbera Editor for the TVRCC' & sort of ties in with the latest response in the Sprint. This reply is totally unacceptable!I am writing as a Cerbera owner and not as Cerbera Editor for the TVRCC.
Meanwhile the nay-sayers bleat their pathetic, vitriolic snipes and do f
k ALL !People make mistakes. Grow up !PJ
HarryW said:
.... most if not all TVR members from back when I was member that I know most of whom still own TVR's are no longer club members which begs the question; are there more TVR owners on PH than in the TVRCC, not forgettting its a Car Club and not a Car Owners club so a headline it has nnnn members doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Anyone know the answer to that?
I can answer that one for you.The club has many long standing members but like many things people leave when their lives and priorities change. The same is true here, there are many folk who have moved on and no longer post from when I started regularly frequenting these forums 9 years ago.
With regards to more TVR owners on PH then in the club I can say with confidence the answer is no. A statistic presented by the current chairman at the AGM showed that 80% of the extant TVRs that were roadworthy/taxed were owned by members of the TVRCC.
RichB said:
V8 GRF said:
A statistic presented by the current chairman at the AGM showed that 80% of the extant TVRs that were roadworthy/taxed were owned by members of the TVRCC.
I am skeptical of that but clearly without any access to the figures I can't challenge it.(The actual figure was calculated from more accurate TVRCC database figures)
V8 GRF said:
RichB said:
V8 GRF said:
A statistic presented by the current chairman at the AGM showed that 80% of the extant TVRs that were roadworthy/taxed were owned by members of the TVRCC.
I am skeptical of that but clearly without any access to the figures I can't challenge it.(The actual figure was calculated from more accurate TVRCC database figures)
V8 GRF said:
With regards to more TVR owners on PH then in the club I can say with confidence the answer is no.
No you can't. You know how many club members there are but you don't have any figures for Tvr owners on PH. As far as you know of the 6000 taxed TVRs 5900 owners could be on PH.
I do think the tvrcc missed an opportunity a few years back by not opening there forums up to everyone, all the traffic that comes to the tvr section of PH could have been going to the clubs forums which would have resulted in more people joining the club. Obviously its way too late for that now.
All I can say is I'm glad I'm not a member! I mean TVR owners are real enthusiasts and I meet many at all kinds of meets so I'd rather not pay to be so arragontly dealt with. Oh and the point Cerb owners know nothing... But they make Up the club so why be so rude?!
Anyway I have an agreed valuation I am happy with and my car is looked after by Power so TVR Network, TVRCC, bothers me not.
Oh and I have a couple of place in south of France so Le Mans with friends will be no problem... The club don't need us?.. Really and truthfully I don't think I need the club. The PH faithful really are a fantastic bunch!
My 2pence! :P
Anyway I have an agreed valuation I am happy with and my car is looked after by Power so TVR Network, TVRCC, bothers me not.
Oh and I have a couple of place in south of France so Le Mans with friends will be no problem... The club don't need us?.. Really and truthfully I don't think I need the club. The PH faithful really are a fantastic bunch!
My 2pence! :P
XK120FHC said:
I do think the tvrcc missed an opportunity a few years back by not opening there forums up to everyone, all the traffic that comes to the tvr section of PH could have been going to the clubs forums...
Absolutely but as I intimated earlier politics got in the way. The other single make car clubs I belong to both have their forums open to guests with just a small section for members only. It works well and is a great showcase for the respective clubs. TVRCC missed a trick, indeed Pistonheads could have been the defacto forum but the "not invented here" syndrome won the day. XK120FHC said:
V8 GRF said:
With regards to more TVR owners on PH then in the club I can say with confidence the answer is no.
No you can't. You know how many club members there are but you don't have any figures for Tvr owners on PH. As far as you know of the 6000 taxed TVRs 5900 owners could be on PH.
While these TVR forums are much, much busier than the TVRCC forums I'd be surprised if there's more than a couple of thousand owners who are regular visitors to the PH TVR pages and I'd guess at less than a hundred or so of them being regular 'posters' which makes them properly 'active'.
I'd qualify that by saying that as people pay their TVRCC subscriptions that makes them active in terms of numbers. A good number of PH'ers are also club members so the 'them and us' idea doesn't really hold water added to which a good number of owners don't even visit here or the TVRCC forums at all.
I'm often surprised when talking to folk just how many don't bother with forums any more if indeed they ever did.
RichB said:
Absolutely but as I intimated earlier politics got in the way. The other single make car clubs I belong to both have their forums open to guests with just a small section for members only. It works well and is a great showcase for the respective clubs. TVRCC missed a trick, indeed Pistonheads could have been the defacto forum but the "not invented here" syndrome won the day.
Before my time for the first part but as far as I'm aware the 'off the shelf' software the TVRCC uses doesn't allow for 'part' of the forum to be open it's either all or nothing. It was looked at a year or so ago and is under constant review BUT...The problem now , and it is a big one, is the amount of data and work that would be required to shift and implement to anything different is now massive as both the website and forum are integrated and there are thousands of pages and files all stored there, the danger of course would be the loss of much of that data.
I think the recent issues here point to what a massive task it would be when you have more than 10 years of data.
A lot of the conversations have moved onto Facebook now as both TVRCC and PH have name and shame rules and moderation whereas Facebook is free speech. The issue there is that not everyone is on Facebook or wants to be on Facebook.
TVRCC forums are pretty much dead and PH is no where near as active as it once was. It would be good to see the TVRCC forums opened up to the public. I think there could still be a good chance to revive the forums on the club site if they were upgraded to a more modern format like that used on Blatters which benefits from some of the advances made by social media such is being able to like comments, easy uploading of pictures fresher look etc.
Like others have said if non members are lured in by the forums then there is a good chance they may decide to join up.
TVRCC forums are pretty much dead and PH is no where near as active as it once was. It would be good to see the TVRCC forums opened up to the public. I think there could still be a good chance to revive the forums on the club site if they were upgraded to a more modern format like that used on Blatters which benefits from some of the advances made by social media such is being able to like comments, easy uploading of pictures fresher look etc.
Like others have said if non members are lured in by the forums then there is a good chance they may decide to join up.
V8 GRF said:
In the terms of not having the actual numbers you're correct but you know as well as I do that that's highly unlikely considering the TVRCC has more than 5000 paying members overall. Your figure is just plucked out of the air while my statement was at least backed up by some numbers.
While these TVR forums are much, much busier than the TVRCC forums I'd be surprised if there's more than a couple of thousand owners who are regular visitors to the PH TVR pages and I'd guess at less than a hundred or so of them being regular 'posters' which makes them properly 'active'.
I'd qualify that by saying that as people pay their TVRCC subscriptions that makes them active in terms of numbers. A good number of PH'ers are also club members so the 'them and us' idea doesn't really hold water added to which a good number of owners don't even visit here or the TVRCC forums at all.
I'm often surprised when talking to folk just how many don't bother with forums any more if indeed they ever did.
Of the 5000 tvrcc members I'd say the vast majority are also on PH so it's highly likely that PH has more members who are tvr owners.While these TVR forums are much, much busier than the TVRCC forums I'd be surprised if there's more than a couple of thousand owners who are regular visitors to the PH TVR pages and I'd guess at less than a hundred or so of them being regular 'posters' which makes them properly 'active'.
I'd qualify that by saying that as people pay their TVRCC subscriptions that makes them active in terms of numbers. A good number of PH'ers are also club members so the 'them and us' idea doesn't really hold water added to which a good number of owners don't even visit here or the TVRCC forums at all.
I'm often surprised when talking to folk just how many don't bother with forums any more if indeed they ever did.
When it comes to plucking figures out of the air, being a tvrcc official, you'd know all about that given what this topic is about.
I can say with confidence that V8 GRF is a 'member'.
V8 GRF said:
Before my time for the first part but as far as I'm aware the 'off the shelf' software the TVRCC uses doesn't allow for 'part' of the forum to be open it's either all or nothing. It was looked at a year or so ago and is under constant review BUT...
The problem now , and it is a big one, is the amount of data and work that would be required to shift and implement to anything different is now massive as both the website and forum are integrated and there are thousands of pages and files all stored there, the danger of course would be the loss of much of that data.
Yup that sounds about the size of things to when I was on the committee....no change there then.The problem now , and it is a big one, is the amount of data and work that would be required to shift and implement to anything different is now massive as both the website and forum are integrated and there are thousands of pages and files all stored there, the danger of course would be the loss of much of that data.
MPoxon said:
A lot of the conversations have moved onto Facebook now as both TVRCC and PH have name and shame rules and moderation whereas Facebook is free speech. The issue there is that not everyone is on Facebook or wants to be on Facebook.
TVRCC forums are pretty much dead and PH is no where near as active as it once was. It would be good to see the TVRCC forums opened up to the public. I think there could still be a good chance to revive the forums on the club site if they were upgraded to a more modern format like that used on Blatters which benefits from some of the advances made by social media such is being able to like comments, easy uploading of pictures fresher look etc.
Like others have said if non members are lured in by the forums then there is a good chance they may decide to join up.
But facebook is free to join and correct me if wrong can be viewed following a google search ?TVRCC forums are pretty much dead and PH is no where near as active as it once was. It would be good to see the TVRCC forums opened up to the public. I think there could still be a good chance to revive the forums on the club site if they were upgraded to a more modern format like that used on Blatters which benefits from some of the advances made by social media such is being able to like comments, easy uploading of pictures fresher look etc.
Like others have said if non members are lured in by the forums then there is a good chance they may decide to join up.
The club has no money to change and or unpick the integrated system they have....the vast proportion of the subs goes to fund Sprint. In fact I am surprised with just over 5000 members now (6200 when I was last around from a peak of nearly 7000 when I joined) that it hasn't hit buffers and had to reduce Sprint size or frequency to accommodate the income level !
V8 GRF said:
RichB said:
V8 GRF said:
A statistic presented by the current chairman at the AGM showed that 80% of the extant TVRs that were roadworthy/taxed were owned by members of the TVRCC.
I am skeptical of that but clearly without any access to the figures I can't challenge it.(The actual figure was calculated from more accurate TVRCC database figures)
Tbf to the club it is still a high proportion for a single marque, which perversely makes the output of Sprint and the club the more important get to it factually correct, lest it damage the Marque.........
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