Valuation article in Sprint

[jamieduff1981]

What's the point?

I was gifted a year's membership to TVRCC when I bought mine. The forum was not a source of information - it was a stale place for very stale people to talk irrelevences - and to be honest Sprint is a waste of trees. You flick through the pictures and spot an article by Geoff who's been for a drive recently. Each to their own and all but there is no value in Sprint for me and I have a seemingly fuller life than happy Sprint readers because there are many things I'd rather do with my time than read the repetitive predictable dross that fills that magazine.

I haven't renewed since that subscription expired.

This latest answer is indicative of a hopeless attitude and misplaced self assurance the club appeared to have. I was correct not to renew. I can spend that money enjoying the car rather than having regular recycling bin contents delivered to me.

[Boatbuoy]

jamieduff1981 said:

What's the point?

I was gifted a year's membership to TVRCC when I bought mine. The forum was not a source of information - it was a stale place for very stale people to talk irrelevences - and to be honest Sprint is a waste of trees. You flick through the pictures and spot an article by Geoff who's been for a drive recently. Each to their own and all but there is no value in Sprint for me and I have a seemingly fuller life than happy Sprint readers because there are many things I'd rather do with my time than read the repetitive predictable dross that fills that magazine.

I haven't renewed since that subscription expired.

This latest answer is indicative of a hopeless attitude and misplaced self assurance the club appeared to have. I was correct not to renew. I can spend that money enjoying the car rather than having regular recycling bin contents delivered to me.

Not a fan then?

[Boatbuoy]

jamieduff1981 said:

What's the point?

I was gifted a year's membership to TVRCC when I bought mine. The forum was not a source of information - it was a stale place for very stale people to talk irrelevences - and to be honest Sprint is a waste of trees. You flick through the pictures and spot an article by Geoff who's been for a drive recently. Each to their own and all but there is no value in Sprint for me and I have a seemingly fuller life than happy Sprint readers because there are many things I'd rather do with my time than read the repetitive predictable dross that fills that magazine.

I haven't renewed since that subscription expired.

This latest answer is indicative of a hopeless attitude and misplaced self assurance the club appeared to have. I was correct not to renew. I can spend that money enjoying the car rather than having regular recycling bin contents delivered to me.

Not a fan then?

[Byker28i]

FarmyardPants said:

Bigadz said:

For those of us who don't get Sprint, can someone post the official response please as it sounds like they have made themselves look even worse...

Bump..

I refer the honourable gentleman to my earlier post

Byker28i said:

V8 GRF said:

... a response will be printed in next months Sprint

There is indeed a response by Mervyn Larner, Club secretary, mostly a cut and paste from what V8GRF posted here on 17th July, a few more from other comments and with a couple of extra points on recent Cerbera valuations by the club.

So effectively it said:

V8 GRF said:

The author doesn't 'do' PH so I'm posting the following comments on his behalf:

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1. The views/opinions are those of the writer(s) of the article, not the editor(s).

2. One of the points of the article was to encourage discussion & debate about the value of TVRs as the values of many classics are changing/increasing rapidly.

3. When values in monthly classic car magazines are viewed the values of many TVRs are often below those of other classics. Is this correct and is it a true picture of what’s happening in the market?

4. At the bottom of the Sprint values table there is a caveat. Average quoted values are just that and each individual car has to be judged by the seller and buyer until an agreement is made.

5. I expected the table of “values” to cause some debate, particularly of Cerbera V8s. A regular dealer told me that they were becoming harder to sell as buyers were cautious about the parts supply and support for the V8 engine. He may or may not be correct! Buyers seem to feel the there is good support for S6 engines even though they had a rocky early few years.

6. In the year since the Club has re-introduced agreed values only one Club member has query his valuation and it was increased when further information was supplied.

7. No Club Agreed Value has been queried or refused by any insurance broker/company. Valuations have ranged from low thousands into six-figures.

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Please read these comments fully and while it's fine posting extreme examples such as the Str8six car it's clear that Cerberas are indeed undervalued in the market.

The piece was intended as a guide not a de-facto analysis of the market which as we all know is fluid and indeed the table is merely a footnote to a much more in-depth piece about how to go about ascertaining the value of your car for both insurance and sales purposes.

Plus also a couple of lines about valuations the club has recently done.


So the response for the article was by Mervyn Larner, Club secretary, as author of the article.

So who was Raymond, who said:

RAMOND said:

Hello All,

I must say that i am upset at the response to my article in the 'Sprint' magazine, 'What's my TVR Worth'

The article was written with great care and research, excepting for the inserted table of valuations, of which I had no knowledge or input. So therefore I cannot comment on that part of the article.

I feel that it is a shame that the article has been trashed because of this, when its intention was to be of use to owners.

Ramond

[Moycie]

I just sold my Cerbera. A very good price too. It's now up for sale at a very healthy price, as some have probably seen. It's worth it. Every penny. No, i'm not selling through them, it's gone, so this is not a plug.

I think this thread has gone on a bit. I really do not think 'that article' will have any impact on the price of your Cerbera. Annoying article, yes, okay, I agree the ball was dropped. But people on PH are always the first to talk down the values, so this has certainly woken people up. Whatever the article said, we all know the score. Let's move on.

The cost of annual TVRCC membership is less than a tank of fuel. Are people really suggesting this is an expensive waste. We get a monthly magazine. There is a network of RO's across multiple regions, among various other things affiliated with the club. The 'new' TVR deposit scheme for a start. It's also only as good as the members that bother to write something for it. If all these nay sayers maybe write a monthly article, there might be more in it.

Yes, I've written a few articles. And I was chased for it as I was pretty tied up with work and others things. It's run by mainly volunteers.....who also have jobs, and a life. I think the club bashing is a little over the top now.

[jamieduff1981]

Moycie said:

I just sold my Cerbera. A very good price too. It's now up for sale at a very healthy price, as some have probably seen. It's worth it. Every penny. No, i'm not selling through them, it's gone, so this is not a plug.

I think this thread has gone on a bit. I really do not think 'that article' will have any impact on the price of your Cerbera. Annoying article, yes, okay, I agree the ball was dropped. But people on PH are always the first to talk down the values, so this has certainly woken people up. Whatever the article said, we all know the score. Let's move on.

The cost of annual TVRCC membership is less than a tank of fuel. Are people really suggesting this is an expensive waste. We get a monthly magazine. There is a network of RO's across multiple regions, among various other things affiliated with the club. The 'new' TVR deposit scheme for a start. It's also only as good as the members that bother to write something for it. If all these nay sayers maybe write a monthly article, there might be more in it.

Yes, I've written a few articles. And I was chased for it as I was pretty tied up with work and others things. It's run by mainly volunteers.....who also have jobs, and a life. I think the club bashing is a little over the top now.

I couldn't disagree more. The club serves no purpose. The magazine serves no purpose. Trying to encourage people to write things when there is nothing worth writing will not result in a magazine worth reading - only more articles from people called Geoff who also went for a drive recently.

The Pistonheads forum and Facebook groups are infinitely more useful. Newcomers get honest information before committing to the car. Owners can search for answers on this forum which has much, much more to offer than the TVRCC one. If the answer isn't already here (which it usually is) then the significantly higher traffic here and speed of Facebook mean owners get assistance. I was going to say faster but the TVRCC one would need to actually deliver something for that. It doesn't though so it's superfluous.

Owners tend to find each other anyway. This is the 21st century and social media is significantly more effective than old fashioned mailing clubs. Such clubs are 15 years out of date. The world has moved on. People can find one another without a club and people can organise meets and events without a club. I'm on fast moving social media groups for numerous cars. They're just better.

The traders/specialists provide valuations (and what credibility to TVRCC valuations have now anyway?)

All that's left is a few token discounts. If anyone manages to use discounts amounting to more than the membership they're doing well.

[Byker28i]

As a club locally I couldn't be happier. Nationally, you often get the impression that there's a clique, you get spoken down to, that 'they' know better than you.

For all the membership quotes, it'll be interesting to know how many go to the AGM, or bother filling in their voting forms. I know I don't bother going or voting any more due to the above.

We have a strong local membership, very good RO's who put a lot of effort in, organise events, sometimes without the assistance (and at times hindrance) of the club. This probably wouldn't happen without the umbrella of the club to tie it together (or possible act as the nucleus).

Meanwhile there's also a few of us locally who organise our own trips, or join in with PH advertised ones. I've had great experiences with trips, tunnel runs, airfield runs etc organised on here.

[Rufus Roughcut]

This is my experience our East Midlands guys are great, the RO's/DRO's do a fantastic job ! never would I knock their commitment and enthusiasm some I'd even call friends ... soured only by the fact "the club" halved the value of my car over night. That's what's foooked me off.
Should I have to get an agreed valuation just because of a backwater article?, bet ya bottom dollar I will,specially when dealing with insurance companies!

[Gazzab]

macdeb said:

Seems a lot here know the values of Cerbs good or bad. Maybe they could volunteer to write an article on it

Earlier on one or two of us suggested some price ranges. They are relatively accurate and wouldn't be considered contentious by most. Pretty simple stuff.
I can't see sprint welcoming an article from me, especially if it's simply to correct a previous inaccurate article which the club haven't really admitted was wrong. If they wanted to fix the situation then they could have printed a correction. They chose to complicate and pontificate etc

[vjay48]

I joined tvr cc last sept,i bought a s,i looked on the forum and asked a question about the cap on the swirl pot,it was apparent by the reply having a s type the same as having dog doo on your shoe. Guess what, I will not be sending £49 in sept,by the way according to Sprint I paid to much for the car!

[Mr Cerbera]

vjay48 said:

I joined tvr cc last sept,i bought a s,i looked on the forum and asked a question about the cap on the swirl pot,it was apparent by the reply having a s type the same as having dog doo on your shoe. Guess what, I will not be sending £49 in sept,by the way according to Sprint I paid to much for the car!

Gorgeous car !!

[B3NNL]

vjay48 said:

I joined tvr cc last sept,i bought a s,i looked on the forum and asked a question about the cap on the swirl pot,it was apparent by the reply having a s type the same as having dog doo on your shoe. Guess what, I will not be sending £49 in sept,by the way according to Sprint I paid to much for the car!

Thats a pity vjay, club aside one thing I've found is the lack of one upmanship within the TVR fraternity, so it is a shame you were made to feel that way when you interacted with club members.

[V8 GRF]

Gazzab said:

macdeb said:

Seems a lot here know the values of Cerbs good or bad. Maybe they could volunteer to write an article on it

Earlier on one or two of us suggested some price ranges. They are relatively accurate and wouldn't be considered contentious by most. Pretty simple stuff.
I can't see sprint welcoming an article from me, especially if it's simply to correct a previous inaccurate article which the club haven't really admitted was wrong. If they wanted to fix the situation then they could have printed a correction. They chose to complicate and pontificate etc

We'd be more than happy to have an article from you.

[V8 GRF]

B3NNL said:

vjay48 said:

I joined tvr cc last sept,i bought a s,i looked on the forum and asked a question about the cap on the swirl pot,it was apparent by the reply having a s type the same as having dog doo on your shoe. Guess what, I will not be sending £49 in sept,by the way according to Sprint I paid to much for the car!

Thats a pity vjay, club aside one thing I've found is the lack of one upmanship within the TVR fraternity, so it is a shame you were made to feel that way when you interacted with club members.

Hmmm, interesting tale, according to your profile on the TVRCC website vjay48 you did indeed join on the 29th of September last year and last visited on the 31st July this year however you've never posted anything on the forum.

If you're going slag off the club at least make sure you're not telling porkies!

[m4tti]

David can the club not do something like getting hold of the original T car workshop (and cerbera) manuals and re printing them, making all volumes only available to Club members to buy. Things like that add value to the club, the marque and serve a purpose.

[TheRainMaker]

Is this still going

As of today:

The average Cerbera including the CAT D in the classifieds is £18,705,

	TVRCC Evaluation	Classifieds 27.8.2015
Concours	£14000	£37000
Excellent	£11500	£18705 Avg
Good	£9000	£18705 Avg
Fair	£6750	£9450 CAT D

[8nil]

m4tti said:

David can the club not do something like getting hold of the original T car workshop (and cerbera) manuals and re printing them, making all volumes only available to Club members to buy. Things like that add value to the club, the marque and serve a purpose.

Now that would be worth the annual subscription fee.. That's an excellent shout m4tti.

[V8 GRF]

8nil said:

m4tti said:

David can the club not do something like getting hold of the original T car workshop (and cerbera) manuals and re printing them, making all volumes only available to Club members to buy. Things like that add value to the club, the marque and serve a purpose.

Now that would be worth the annual subscription fee.. That's an excellent shout m4tti.

I've thought about that in the past but the last time I mentioned it I think there were issues with copyright.

I'll raise the topic again.

[swisstoni]

V8 GRF said:

8nil said:

m4tti said:

David can the club not do something like getting hold of the original T car workshop (and cerbera) manuals and re printing them, making all volumes only available to Club members to buy. Things like that add value to the club, the marque and serve a purpose.

Now that would be worth the annual subscription fee.. That's an excellent shout m4tti.

I've thought about that in the past but the last time I mentioned it I think there were issues with copyright.

I'll raise the topic again.

And original build sheets so owners could see how their cars were specced when new.

[Revvit]

swisstoni said:

And original build sheets so owners could see how their cars were specced when new.

As a club member I recently approached the club archivist in an attempt to obtain copies of my car's records. Mervyn, the Club Secretary, was very helpful and advised that the club no longer had access to this information as Mr Smolensky had decided that the information was commercially valuable and had therefore restricted access.

I am now applying to TVR Manufacturing Ltd and expect there will be an unreasonable fee attached, hence the restriction.