Hello and question on buying a Cerb for 17k
Discussion
Byker28i said:
You're right, but a FSH, or history, shows the cars been looked after. What was done, when etc.
Which is what my tuscan had, since it was born.. to the tune of 25k by a number of the leading specialist.. Ive spent the last 3 years and 12k in parts rectifying their work. so like UKKid said, distant historical work isn't a real marker.17K at Str8six wont happen. Just in case the car is fully sorted and with fully
i mean paint engine chassis and interior we are talking about 3xxxx as a realistic figure
depending on spec. of course a well looked after history and a folder of receipts is a nice
thing to have but keep in mind good cars in general dont come cheap. if i would be in the boat
i would buy either sorted or realy cheap to get it redone my way but with both options you will
end up at the same price range.
i mean paint engine chassis and interior we are talking about 3xxxx as a realistic figure
depending on spec. of course a well looked after history and a folder of receipts is a nice
thing to have but keep in mind good cars in general dont come cheap. if i would be in the boat
i would buy either sorted or realy cheap to get it redone my way but with both options you will
end up at the same price range.
ginkent said:
I read that a cat c/d affects insurance, i assume massively, maybe i'm wrong there
i'm not mechanically minded at all, so i'd prefer to pay a little extra if it were to de-risk the purchase, if FSH does de-risk it - you suggest not.
Cat C/D affects the insurance of the person who stacked the car then tries to reinsure it after buy-back and repairs, but the insurance hike is because they stuffed the car and added a claim to their driving history.i'm not mechanically minded at all, so i'd prefer to pay a little extra if it were to de-risk the purchase, if FSH does de-risk it - you suggest not.
Edited by ginkent on Tuesday 14th June 21:18
The risk profile to an underwriter of you driving a Cerbera of a certain value isn't affected by whether someone has already bumped it
If you don't want to or can't work on the car yourself, then you need to make peace with the fact that it'll cost - but that's ok. The FSH is desirable but not the be all and end all. A car with a good warranty from a stable and established business which knows TVRs is the best way to de-risk your purchase
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/TVR-Cerbera-4-2-Cou...
Above might fit the bill?
Also this is a bargain, but a repo so not sure how that stacks up??!!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REPOSSESSION-PART-EX-199...
Above might fit the bill?
Also this is a bargain, but a repo so not sure how that stacks up??!!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REPOSSESSION-PART-EX-199...
Danattheopticians said:
Also this is a bargain, but a repo so not sure how that stacks up??!!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REPOSSESSION-PART-EX-199...
What's the status of a repo if it has keys and all history ? Presumably if you have free legal title upon purchase then there's no issue ? Not the same as stolen, recovered although guess it will be an HPI event ? Looks a bargain on paper.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REPOSSESSION-PART-EX-199...
Speed 3 said:
What's the status of a repo if it has keys and all history ? Presumably if you have free legal title upon purchase then there's no issue ? Not the same as stolen, recovered although guess it will be an HPI event ? Looks a bargain on paper.
As far as I'm aware, a repossession wouldn't be a HPI event, the only real risk is that the interior may have been damaged if the owner wasn't pleased it was being repossessed. Having said that, if it's got the history with it then it's likley to have been recovered amicably. 
It's interesting to note that a lot of the posters on here don't value service history. As someone also in the market for a Cerbera, with a similar budget to OP, I would too consider history important.
As far as I understand, these engines are very fragile, so regular servicing is crucial. A car which has had the services skimped on is a time bomb waiting to blow up. I never understand why people don't keep history to be honest, when ever you buy something for the car it comes with an invoice, why would you just throw it out rather than store it? This alone makes me very suspicious of the old "it did have that done, but I binned all evidence", line. In my opinion, this also suggests a care free attitude, and not someone I'd like to buy a car off of.
I understand a lot can happen in 20 years, and that an oil change at a year old is largely irrelevant now, but it shows how the car was cared for at that time imo, which will affect its condition now.
Its not the be all and end all, but it's another factor on the price and purchase decision, for me anyway.
As far as I understand, these engines are very fragile, so regular servicing is crucial. A car which has had the services skimped on is a time bomb waiting to blow up. I never understand why people don't keep history to be honest, when ever you buy something for the car it comes with an invoice, why would you just throw it out rather than store it? This alone makes me very suspicious of the old "it did have that done, but I binned all evidence", line. In my opinion, this also suggests a care free attitude, and not someone I'd like to buy a car off of.
I understand a lot can happen in 20 years, and that an oil change at a year old is largely irrelevant now, but it shows how the car was cared for at that time imo, which will affect its condition now.
Its not the be all and end all, but it's another factor on the price and purchase decision, for me anyway.
mjf93 said:
It's interesting to note that a lot of the posters on here don't value service history. As someone also in the market for a Cerbera, with a similar budget to OP, I would too consider history important.
As far as I understand, these engines are very fragile, so regular servicing is crucial. A car which has had the services skimped on is a time bomb waiting to blow up. I never understand why people don't keep history to be honest, when ever you buy something for the car it comes with an invoice, why would you just throw it out rather than store it? This alone makes me very suspicious of the old "it did have that done, but I binned all evidence", line. In my opinion, this also suggests a care free attitude, and not someone I'd like to buy a car off of.
I understand a lot can happen in 20 years, and that an oil change at a year old is largely irrelevant now, but it shows how the car was cared for at that time imo, which will affect its condition now.
Its not the be all and end all, but it's another factor on the price and purchase decision, for me anyway.
I don't think it's a "lot", most would value documented history if you looked over a number of different posts IMO. I think the point is that at the lower end of the price spectrum you are taking more chances so it becomes a bit more debatable what you should really look for. Without a doubt the Cerb was the first TVR of the Wheeler era to employ some really expensive bits, which if not looked after properly could create a money pit. The V8's are tougher in factory spec than the S6's at that time so a non-rebuild S6 would be a different proposition to an average V8 (and hence usually different price, also caused by V8 desirability for performance and unique roadcar application). Its all degrees of risk and therefore there will be lots of opinions.As far as I understand, these engines are very fragile, so regular servicing is crucial. A car which has had the services skimped on is a time bomb waiting to blow up. I never understand why people don't keep history to be honest, when ever you buy something for the car it comes with an invoice, why would you just throw it out rather than store it? This alone makes me very suspicious of the old "it did have that done, but I binned all evidence", line. In my opinion, this also suggests a care free attitude, and not someone I'd like to buy a car off of.
I understand a lot can happen in 20 years, and that an oil change at a year old is largely irrelevant now, but it shows how the car was cared for at that time imo, which will affect its condition now.
Its not the be all and end all, but it's another factor on the price and purchase decision, for me anyway.
Well, as a relative new owner, here's my tuppence worth.
Simillar budget and not much exerience of driving one I looked at a few. Being in Glasgow doesn't give much scope, but I did travel up to Ecosse in Dundee, Hexham Horseless Carriages and James Agger. I'd guess that was over a perioed of about 8 months. I opted to go the dealer route as the private market up here wasn't ever going to present much in a reasonable timescale.
I found all the dealers really decent and straightforward. In the process I drove a speed 6 and two 4.2's. Each was a bit different. The 4.2's I drove at James' place.
I was after a straight honest car with decent history. I dropped the guys a wishlist of what I was generally after, but noting that I was flexible in terms of the car being in good condition.
Eventually I went for a car via James. For my money I got a really decent car, the history file shows a contant level of maintenance has been carried out over it's life. The receipts showed that the clutch was done a while back so the price reflected that fact that possibly we might not be far off needing another.
Paintwork is really good, the interior in excellent order. The chassis has been well cared for and had a local repair carried out on one outrigger corner.
I'd not pass it off as a garage queen, but there's nothing that makes me thing 'oooh, I'd better get that sorted...' I'd class it as a very presentable example.
My intention is that as some stage I'll do some refurbishment on the chassis and drivetrain. For the meantime it's a process of modest improvement, like superseal connectors for the door wiring etc.
The service history was quite good as one of the specialists invoices noted things that were going to need attention. That could then be seen getting attended to on later invoices.
HTH
Brian
Simillar budget and not much exerience of driving one I looked at a few. Being in Glasgow doesn't give much scope, but I did travel up to Ecosse in Dundee, Hexham Horseless Carriages and James Agger. I'd guess that was over a perioed of about 8 months. I opted to go the dealer route as the private market up here wasn't ever going to present much in a reasonable timescale.
I found all the dealers really decent and straightforward. In the process I drove a speed 6 and two 4.2's. Each was a bit different. The 4.2's I drove at James' place.
I was after a straight honest car with decent history. I dropped the guys a wishlist of what I was generally after, but noting that I was flexible in terms of the car being in good condition.
Eventually I went for a car via James. For my money I got a really decent car, the history file shows a contant level of maintenance has been carried out over it's life. The receipts showed that the clutch was done a while back so the price reflected that fact that possibly we might not be far off needing another.
Paintwork is really good, the interior in excellent order. The chassis has been well cared for and had a local repair carried out on one outrigger corner.
I'd not pass it off as a garage queen, but there's nothing that makes me thing 'oooh, I'd better get that sorted...' I'd class it as a very presentable example.
My intention is that as some stage I'll do some refurbishment on the chassis and drivetrain. For the meantime it's a process of modest improvement, like superseal connectors for the door wiring etc.
The service history was quite good as one of the specialists invoices noted things that were going to need attention. That could then be seen getting attended to on later invoices.
HTH
Brian
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