Cerbera / Griff 500?
Discussion
m60ddy said:
Getting away from the figure analysers, who has the bigger willy, what is normal and what is not for these cars. I personally honestly don't care if your car is 0.2 seconds quicker. Plus all cars are different. There is no standard. That's the joy and pain of these cars.
For me and my personal preference it's the theatre, the experience, the grim factor and most important of all my personal feel and link with my car. Im lucky enough to own a healthy 4.2 Cerbera which has 350bhp according to Joolz rolling road and I would not swap it for a Griff. If I could afford I would have both but I cannot.
My advice is that only you can decide. Try them both, try a T car, don't rule out the Chimeara. Only once you have tried them all will you be able to determine where YOUR preference lies
I think that's what I need to do!For me and my personal preference it's the theatre, the experience, the grim factor and most important of all my personal feel and link with my car. Im lucky enough to own a healthy 4.2 Cerbera which has 350bhp according to Joolz rolling road and I would not swap it for a Griff. If I could afford I would have both but I cannot.
My advice is that only you can decide. Try them both, try a T car, don't rule out the Chimeara. Only once you have tried them all will you be able to determine where YOUR preference lies
This'll be such a personal decision that what others think is probably irrelevant. I've had 2 Griffs and a cerb and felt the Griff provided more drama and was more of an event to drive - I was cerainly more excited getting it out on a sunny day. It might be the convertible thing but the cerb just felt a bit too 'serious'.
Not really sure that speed (on the road) is that important but I'm pretty sure I'd have been able to drive the cerb quicker across country than the Griff.
Not really sure that speed (on the road) is that important but I'm pretty sure I'd have been able to drive the cerb quicker across country than the Griff.
Chimp's are better value and if you get a good 500 or 450 should be quick enough. Remember the Griff is up to 25 years old now and a Cerb only 5 years newer so older tech. whereas the Audi will be ABS, traction control etc etc whereas the TVR's have none of that so when they go it s generally spectacular.
If I went back and drove my old Escort MkII Harrier (which felt really quick after an engine rebuild) I'd be disappointed with the power but I'm sure it would have character and like nothing else on the road, ie special.
Enjoy.
FFG
If I went back and drove my old Escort MkII Harrier (which felt really quick after an engine rebuild) I'd be disappointed with the power but I'm sure it would have character and like nothing else on the road, ie special.
Enjoy.
FFG
It's clear that a good RV8 engined Tvr with a few mods will be nearly as fast as an AJP car upto a point, but a tuned and fettled AJP should surely be way faster.
But then an RV8 with throttle bodies is no snail!
I only point out the numbers to clear up any doubt,, the numbers don't lie and nor does the weight advantage but I'd also agree you can probably pedal the Cerb much faster across country.
I love all Tvr's and they all have their merits but don't underestimate the Performance of the RV8 these days!
But then an RV8 with throttle bodies is no snail!
I only point out the numbers to clear up any doubt,, the numbers don't lie and nor does the weight advantage but I'd also agree you can probably pedal the Cerb much faster across country.
I love all Tvr's and they all have their merits but don't underestimate the Performance of the RV8 these days!
I drive a tin top every day so to get out at weekends and feel part of the country is a revelation. Each to their own - either is quick and RV8 has different characteristics to an AJP (or S6). A good Cerb should leave a Griff but a good Griff against a moderate Cerb would be close. Very few of these cars are anything like they left the factory now with lots of mods/improvements available.
Running costs of an AJP are generally around doubel that of an RV8. Not sure on parts availability now but giess some are getting hard to get hold of.
FFG
Running costs of an AJP are generally around doubel that of an RV8. Not sure on parts availability now but giess some are getting hard to get hold of.
FFG
mjlloyd said:
typical school boy answer.also your car is hardly standard
It was a standard 4.2 when I started and it was significantly faster off the line than a 300bhp Griff in that guise too...I am not sure if you are trolling or if you are just a deluded Griff owner who desperately wants to believe that their car is as fast as a Cerbera.
Tanguero said:
It was a standard 4.2 when I started and it was significantly faster off the line than a 300bhp Griff in that guise too...
I am not sure if you are trolling or if you are just a deluded Griff owner who desperately wants to believe that their car is as fast as a Cerbera.
Strange I thought this too. "Mjlloyd" has been a member for 3 months. If you look at his recent posts they all have a common trolling theme... For example a post on the "new R8" thread in general gassing proclaiming it's a "155k glorified TT" . So yes deluded or has mental issues. I am not sure if you are trolling or if you are just a deluded Griff owner who desperately wants to believe that their car is as fast as a Cerbera.
mjlloyd said:
typical school boy answer.also your car is hardly standard
Martin, I see that you live in Essex, which is where I also live and own a workshop.I urge you to come down to my workshop as you are obviously unsure as to the merits of such a car.
I happen to have a speed 6 engined car, a standard 3.5l Rover v8, a standard 4.5l AJP, and a reasonably tuned 500 Griffith. I can demonstrate the merits of such vehicles to you and give you unequivocal proof either way. Just drop me a line and the offer is there. You have either had the misfortune of being around a very poorly AJP, or never had the opportunity to actually be in one. Either way, I can show you an unbiased demonstration of the cars and then the difference will become clear.
Let me know, as I am working at the Workshop most weekdays and weekends.
J
PS
Oh, as a foot note, I also have some Dyno print outs for the vehicles demonstrating their power. It is possible for a cerb to be 360hp but the vast majority are brushing the 400 mark in standard trim. To save any further speculation, please get in touch.
I recommend the OP drives both, as others have already said. They are both awesome fun, both very quick, both an event to own, but both drive very differently.
I owned my Griff 500 and a Cerb 4.5 at the same time. Only you can decided which you prefer. Having both would be best, to appreciate the differences, but of course not a realistic proposition. On my side, I still have my Griff.
Personally, I fancy a T350 next, but I'm hanging on until the new TVR finally emerges.... *crosses fingers*
I owned my Griff 500 and a Cerb 4.5 at the same time. Only you can decided which you prefer. Having both would be best, to appreciate the differences, but of course not a realistic proposition. On my side, I still have my Griff.
Personally, I fancy a T350 next, but I'm hanging on until the new TVR finally emerges.... *crosses fingers*
all you kent cerb owners i have met you lots of times at the se london/ nw kent meets in the past and have been in nigels cerb many times but you obviosly want to rubbish my opinions. i also have spannered on joh wilsons cerb than ran in the challeng and gt cup.it ws very fast but that was only after he spent many thosands upgrading it to a 4.7 by andy apm
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