Laptop setup program on ebay

[byff]

Someones out to make some money.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=100950&item=7968829694&rd=1

[tvr-fan]

Hmmmmm think i might ask a few question see if he is a tvr owner.

[nervous]

thats a bit crooked innit?

these things really piss me off, especially the 'ooo look how legitimate i am, i sell for 14.99 and not 15 quid' price tag, just like a REAL business.

go get 'im Fan.

[byff]

I thought you'd be along soon nervous, after seeing your clear indicator thread.

The same fella is also doing a parts list for the bargain price of £4.99

[nervous]

sorry byff mate, i know, i know, im a boring old sod. wouldnt be so bad, but my house is so small its not possible to get out of the wrong side of bed

yours,
grumpy git of winterton.

[tvr-fan]

Have asked a simple question about the product so lets see if he takes the bait, as long as he dont read these threads eh hehe

Shame on you whoever you are

[nervous]

actually, its me.

and, in response to your question Fan, babies come from magic bushes.

[tvr-fan]

nervous said:

actually, its me. and, in response to your question Fan, babies come from magic bushes.

Hehe lets hope there are no magic bushes growing in my garden then eh

[tvr-fan]

Got an answer from this chap and looks like he may have a tvr hmmmmmmmm

[WHAT?]

Yes I have a TVR Cerbera and I'm a registered and regular user on this forum! What is actually wrong in selling this stuff? If somebody out there wants what I have to sell then they will pay for it, just as you would for anything else that you need. Where is the shame in that??

>> Edited by WHAT? on Sunday 17th April 12:46

[nervous]

well, for myself, i don't like it cos from what i can see we all pass that software around for free, to help each other out. i like that, its nice. it helps.

did you buy it then? if so, my apologies. you must have the license to sell it and therefore a right to make money on it, good for you.

[WHAT?]

I have given free copies out to other cerby owners because they have asked. I am now selling copies on ebay because not every cerby owner goes on pistonheads and, like me before I knew about pistonheads, there are owners out there that would give their right arm for the parts listings and setup software. I am not asking for right arms or any other limbs, just a very fair price according to my reckoning. If you want to slag me off for doing what millions of other people are doing, making money from something that obviously people need, then be my guest. Lets face it, owning a Cerbera is a costly affair and if I can actually get her to make money for me then so be it.

There is nothing wrong with enterprise.
Leave the chap alone you bullies!

Anyway, who gives a flying crap how much he charges for whatever he's selling.

I see so many posts about people selling stuff which can in other ways be sourced for free, so what???

Bullshit topic, leave him alone, eventually TVR will get wind of it, and if they are bothered about it they will track those individuals who own this software without the right software license.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this software is not 'freeware' or 'shareware'...

If TVR aint bothered, then why should anyone else?

[satman]

said:

There is nothing wrong with enterprise. Leave the chap alone you bullies! Anyway, who gives a flying crap how much he charges for whatever he's selling. I see so many posts about people selling stuff which can in other ways be sourced for free, so what??? Bullshit topic, leave him alone, eventually TVR will get wind of it, and if they are bothered about it they will track those individuals who own this software without the right software license. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this software is not 'freeware' or 'shareware'... If TVR aint bothered, then why should anyone else?

I agree...and besides if there is someone out there "mug-enough" to pay for something shared for 'free', around the appropriate forums, then its their loss, no one elses!

>> Edited by satman on Sunday 17th April 13:52

[byff]

I'm more concerned about TVR getting wind of WHAT? selling TVR software.

Does anyone know if the software is licensed for dealers only - I just don't want to see anyone getting into trouble.

[satman]

The software is definately not licensed for anyone to "sell"...so in this reagard, the 'seller' is without question running a 'risk' if TVR wish to pursue it.....

[J_S_G]

Sorry, but this kind of thing really p*sses me off. Having had one business go under through software piracy, I really hate seeing people profit from others effort when it comes to things like this. Not to mention the number of numpties out there who're probably going to shaft their engines now.

If TVR wanted this software to be freely available to all and sundry, they'd stick it up for download on their site. You can't go around selling (and profiting from) someone's intellectual property just because somebody's willing to pay you for it. Know what the legal stance is on this? No? I do:

FAST said:

If copyright infringement is proven in a criminal court, on indictment the defendant could receive an unlimited fine and up to ten years imprisonment per offence.

If somebody else hasn't already, I'll get on with drafting a letter up to TVR this afternoon to let them know that their property is being stolen.

[flashheart]

Hear, hear James. Before you do though could you email me a copy of the software for free please so I don't waste £15.

Cheers

Flash

J_S_G said:

Sorry, but this kind of thing really p*sses me off. Having had one business go under through software piracy, I really hate seeing people profit from others effort when it comes to things like this. Not to mention the number of numpties out there who're probably going to shaft their engines now. If TVR wanted this software to be freely available to all and sundry, they'd stick it up for download on their site. You can't go around selling (and profiting from) someone's intellectual property just because somebody's willing to pay you for it. Know what the legal stance is on this? No? I do: FAST said: If copyright infringement is proven in a criminal court, on indictment the defendant could receive an unlimited fine and up to ten years imprisonment per offence. If somebody else hasn't already, I'll get on with drafting a letter up to TVR this afternoon to let them know that their property is being stolen.

What are you talking about?

TVR never made any money out of this software, it was never on sale, its part of the dealer package. There was no intention for it to be provided to anyone else.

You're outlining something from personal experience that has nothing to do with this case. This software was never meant for profit or non-profit release. It got out, who knows how. And if TVR want to chase people about it, then they are within their rights to, as long as the rights to this software are 100% theirs.

You jumped on a highhorse for no reason, we're not talking about budding small companies developing niche applications which went under due to software piracy, or Microsoft style mega-profit software sales getting screwed. This application was not meant for sale or distribution, its a little more complicated than your average joe-bloggs software piracy.

And I think many who own this software and use it to work on their cars will disagree, for one thing, this application is not provided for sale from TVR or any of their directly related distributors, and for another this application is not provided to owners of TVR's. So if it leaked out - tough shite, lets see what they do about it, I cant see them losing any sleep or money over this.

Dont go ratting to them JS, think of the future, damn encrypted software supplied to dealers for future models, and end users are stuck with having to use dealers for diagnosis work - and what about the indies???

I say - that. Chill!

[J_S_G]

Ash said:

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Nah, sorry, don't agree. The software was written for a purpose, and at a cost. That cost was incurred because the long-term payback of it was worth it - allowing dealers to do stuff outside of the factory, allowing the factory themselves to do stuff outside of monitoring voltages across individual transistors (man, that'd be painful...), etc. Regardless of how useful, etc. it may be to others, it's THEIR PROPERTY. Giving away THEIR PROPERTY is bad enough, as it's still theft. But PROFITING FROM IT is something different entirely.

I say let the factory decide how they want to deal with the situation - it's theirs to make a call on, after all.