Short Induction and Remapped ECU
Discussion
Hi all
Any ideas on the cost involved (all in)?
And what improvements could I expect for my money?
Would anything else well worth doing if I'm going to this expense in the first place?
I've got a 4.5 LW and would like to smooth out the low end lumpyness without loosing any torque or power.
And finally, I live in Southampton, who is the best at undertaking this work (controversial I know!).
Cheers
Bill
Any ideas on the cost involved (all in)?
And what improvements could I expect for my money?
Would anything else well worth doing if I'm going to this expense in the first place?
I've got a 4.5 LW and would like to smooth out the low end lumpyness without loosing any torque or power.
And finally, I live in Southampton, who is the best at undertaking this work (controversial I know!).
Cheers
Bill
Spoke to Jules at Track Car Solutions about this mod at the Griff growl at the weekend. Short induction whirlwind kit (http://trackcarsolutions.net/shop/ind £350+VAT. A standard remap off the shelf is about £400 and a custom remap is about £600. Depending on what your standard car puts out 350bhp+ could would probably get to around the 400-410bhp mark. There is some information on his website about gains etc if you follow the link.
It's a bit of a trek though for you.
It's a bit of a trek though for you.
A re-map will work wonders to sort of the low rev running of your car. Short induction will improve things further still, although I suspect how much varies from car to car. Either Austec or TCS can do this work. Austec with the car's standard MBE chip, Trackcar with an Emerald system. I'm talking about live mapping to your car specifically here, rather than a generic map. Given the amount of variation between engines, live mapping is worth it if you can stretch to it. Austec are the closer of the two to you. You could also consider different injectors, you would probably benefit from having the standard injectors cleaned as a minimum.
Steve.
Steve.
Edited by Steve_T on Thursday 10th August 09:33
Steve_T said:
A re-map will work wonders to sort of the low rev running of your car. Short induction will improve things further still, although I suspect how much varies from car to car. Either Austec or TCS can do this work. Austec with the car's standard MBE chip, Trackcar with an Emerald system. I'm talking about live mapping to your car specifically here, rather than a generic map. Given the amount of variation between engines, live mapping is worth it if you can stretch to it. Austec are the closer of the two to you. You could also consider different injectors, you would probably benefit from having the standard injectors cleaned as a minimum.
Steve.
Steve.
Edited by Steve_T on Thursday 10th August 09:33
I can do Emerald and also the MBE Steve, you might want to update your info
Short Induction and a remap is the best route to go.
By simply replacing your existing hoses with the shorter type hoses you will not achieve your objectives, you will however experience a performance improvement at the top end of the rev range and possibly a slight loss lower down.
In order to achieve smoother power delivery and improved driveability you will need to couple the shorter induction hoses with a remap, by doing this you will also gain more power.
As has already been pointed out both the outfits mentioned can do this work for you, and customers from both have only positive feedback after this work has been carried out.
Search a few threads with regard to Induction hoses, try "whirlwind" and this should give you plenty of information. As for price then there will be differences as the cost of the Induction kits differ due to them not being the same and also the cost of the remap differs, you would need to call both for prices, and then make your decision, you never know it may prove more cost effective to make the longer journey.
Hope this helps, any other questions then ask.
Jules.
By simply replacing your existing hoses with the shorter type hoses you will not achieve your objectives, you will however experience a performance improvement at the top end of the rev range and possibly a slight loss lower down.
In order to achieve smoother power delivery and improved driveability you will need to couple the shorter induction hoses with a remap, by doing this you will also gain more power.
As has already been pointed out both the outfits mentioned can do this work for you, and customers from both have only positive feedback after this work has been carried out.
Search a few threads with regard to Induction hoses, try "whirlwind" and this should give you plenty of information. As for price then there will be differences as the cost of the Induction kits differ due to them not being the same and also the cost of the remap differs, you would need to call both for prices, and then make your decision, you never know it may prove more cost effective to make the longer journey.
Hope this helps, any other questions then ask.
Jules.
Thanks for all the info guys.
Another question re the ECU.
I have negotiated a free service from Fernhurst (as part of the car purchase) and I thought I read something in a thread that only Trackcar could service the car with the Emerald ECU? Is this true or am I getting the wrong end of the stick? I presume it's something to do with diagnostic software?
Thanks for the link to Trackcar.... do these prices include fitting and VAT?
Another question re the ECU.
I have negotiated a free service from Fernhurst (as part of the car purchase) and I thought I read something in a thread that only Trackcar could service the car with the Emerald ECU? Is this true or am I getting the wrong end of the stick? I presume it's something to do with diagnostic software?
Thanks for the link to Trackcar.... do these prices include fitting and VAT?
Hi Bill,
Trackcar (Joolz) used to service lots of TVR's when he ran Joospeed Ltd, since changing direction and opening Track Care Solutions he has stopped carrying out servicing of cars with the exception of the Emerald installed Cerbera's, this is partly because Joolz installed and set-up the ECU on most of the Emerald Cerbs, and as my Cerb has an Emerald fitted I take it as a bonus that Joolz will still service my car
. This doesn't mean that only Joolz can service an Emerald ECU Cerb, I am sure that other outfits can, ask Fernhurst and see what they say.
Jules.
ps give Joolz a call (number on website) reference prices and fitting etc, either Joolz or Vicky will answer the phone and both are very helpful.
Trackcar (Joolz) used to service lots of TVR's when he ran Joospeed Ltd, since changing direction and opening Track Care Solutions he has stopped carrying out servicing of cars with the exception of the Emerald installed Cerbera's, this is partly because Joolz installed and set-up the ECU on most of the Emerald Cerbs, and as my Cerb has an Emerald fitted I take it as a bonus that Joolz will still service my car
. This doesn't mean that only Joolz can service an Emerald ECU Cerb, I am sure that other outfits can, ask Fernhurst and see what they say. Jules.
ps give Joolz a call (number on website) reference prices and fitting etc, either Joolz or Vicky will answer the phone and both are very helpful.
Edited by Cyclone1 on Thursday 10th August 12:30
Yeah, I know of Joospeed although not personally as my car has been serviced there (after I sold her and she took on the plate "V8 FUN"
. The suspension upgrades done have made a huge improvement over the original driving experience. So I don't doubt the job that TCS will do.
However I would like to keep getting it serviced at Fernies not just because of the free service they owe me, but because of the preferential rates I get by buying the car (back) from them and the relatively short distance from Southampton (self employed and family man = cannot afford too much time off). So I wouldn't like to alienate them simply due to the ECU changing. Can TCS do a custom remapping with the original unit? What are the fundamental differences between the ECUs anyway? I would probably like to get the rad fans "switch on" and "time on" parameters changed as well. Can I do this with the ECU remap - regardless of ECU?
So I'm looking at what, £1k? Is this all in - fitting and VAT? I've been looking on TCS website and it states that the trumpet colour can only be black. Is this still the case?
Maybe I should take this offline.... TCS, do you have an email address so that I can chat to you about it? (difficult using the phone during work hours at the mo)
Once again, thanks for all your help guys.
. The suspension upgrades done have made a huge improvement over the original driving experience. So I don't doubt the job that TCS will do. However I would like to keep getting it serviced at Fernies not just because of the free service they owe me, but because of the preferential rates I get by buying the car (back) from them and the relatively short distance from Southampton (self employed and family man = cannot afford too much time off). So I wouldn't like to alienate them simply due to the ECU changing. Can TCS do a custom remapping with the original unit? What are the fundamental differences between the ECUs anyway? I would probably like to get the rad fans "switch on" and "time on" parameters changed as well. Can I do this with the ECU remap - regardless of ECU?
So I'm looking at what, £1k? Is this all in - fitting and VAT? I've been looking on TCS website and it states that the trumpet colour can only be black. Is this still the case?
Maybe I should take this offline.... TCS, do you have an email address so that I can chat to you about it? (difficult using the phone during work hours at the mo)
Once again, thanks for all your help guys.
thegreengoblet said:
I've been looking on TCS website and it states that the trumpet colour can only be black. Is this still the case?
Maybe I should take this offline.... TCS, do you have an email address so that I can chat to you about it? (difficult using the phone during work hours at the mo)
Maybe I should take this offline.... TCS, do you have an email address so that I can chat to you about it? (difficult using the phone during work hours at the mo)
I think more colours are coming, but not purple
E-mail is the best way to contact Jools as he's often up to his elbows in AJP. Use the address on the TCS web site.
trackcar said:
diycerb said:
Hi Bill,
I've just realised I've been in your car before. Did it ever get all the carbon bits under the bonnet finished off by the previous owner? He had big plans for that car wonder what's happened to him.
Rich.
I've just realised I've been in your car before. Did it ever get all the carbon bits under the bonnet finished off by the previous owner? He had big plans for that car wonder what's happened to him.
Rich.
He's got another cerb
Hi Rich. As TC says. And apparently another red one!
Was really pleased (well as pleased as can be) when Dave bought the Cerb from me. A real enthusiast, so I knew she was going to a good home. He used to call me for a monthly update on how she was getting on - not really what I wanted after just selling the car of my dreams! Anyway, he did look after her - as did the owner who had her after him. He px her at Fernies for a Saggy he fell for when he went to collect her folowing a routine service. What was good was that she got her original reg mark back when Dave sold her (he put the V8 FUN plate onto his new one). I still have most of the original invoices and order form etc as I needed to keep them for my company records. Now over 6 years on, I can take them out of my records and reunite them with the service history as the photocopies seem to have disapeared. Just glad to get her back after all those years. Apart from some mods such as suspension upgrades (courtesy of Joospeed) and Spider Alloys, she's as I left her. Hence not too sure what you mean by the carbon bits??
Anyway, one of the trumpets is rubbing against the bonnet, so I think it's only a matter of time before it needs replacing. And what better way of replacing it - to get a short induction system fitted (obviously I don't tell the wife that it's an upgrade, simply a necessary but expensive repair!). And I may as well go the whole hog and get the ECU changed/remapped. I like the look of the TCS 12sec kit minus the suspension. However, I think i'm going to have to wait until early next year when I know a little more about my current work contract. So I'll drop you a mail/give you a ring soon TC for a chat.
And cheers Gazzab. Those rates are better than Fernies £40ph preferential rates. I'll use my free service early next year at Fernies and see how I go from there.
Thanks for all your input guys.
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