Drafty windows

Drafty windows

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brummiewedge

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5,284 posts

222 months

Saturday 18th August 2007
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I took the drvers side door apart and turned the window runners upside down so that the compressed (worn) parts were reversed, this has done a great job of tightening the flappy door glass. However it still bl@@dy whistles at Mway speed ( worse with cold air vent open). IF you open the opposite window this seems to relieve the cabin pressure and the whistling stops. Has anyone tried holes in the panel to the boot? Most cars have pressure equilizing holes but i havent seen any on Cerb cabin, and i've looked closer than most!

jonbarrett

800 posts

203 months

Saturday 18th August 2007
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I have exactly the same problem that I've been trying to solve for months. The pressure equalisation holes are hidden under the lower edge of the rear screen. I've read that there were two modifications, one reduced the pressure by placing foam in the inner wing space the other introduced more 'holes' at the rear of the car somewhere.

My windows fit quite well but at motorway speed the pressure is sufficient to pop them out of their seals. I've also noticed a big difference in airflow through the vents with the windows closed and slightly open.

It seems to me that there are too many opening in the front of the car and too few at the rear. Is anyone aware of design changes for later models, mine is a 1997 4.5.

jonbarrett

800 posts

203 months

Tuesday 21st August 2007
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Brummie

Have you got any info/images re the boot vents? Sound mad but I'm going to try a short drive with the boot wedged slightly open to see if this drops the pressure in the cab sufficiently. If it works boot vents might seem feasible but how would you prevent exhaust fumes or water entering. I guess they would need to be some sort of one way flap valve design.

FUBAR

17,062 posts

239 months

Tuesday 21st August 2007
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Arent there some very small holes/vents at the bottom of the rear screen, under the lip that meets the boot? Well mine seems to whether by design or not. Sitting in my car at a hand carwash, the chappie sprayed the power washer in the gap and I got a squirt of water on the back of my head!

jonbarrett

800 posts

203 months

Tuesday 21st August 2007
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Yes there are holes under the screen but they don't seem sufficient.

BCA

8,626 posts

258 months

Tuesday 21st August 2007
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Im reasonably sure of a way to reduce the motorway wind noise/ possibly help the windows situation but havent yet been able to try it...

It involves a couple of (very) small parts from a Sagaris. smile

If you're interested it involves buying and fitting the Sagaris's extension for the wing mirrors. Its an extra piece, which moves the wing mirrors further away from the body/ glass. It should get rid of alot of the pressure difference around the front area, reducing noise and the amount the screen is effectively pulled out - in theory atleast. smile

Edited by BCA on Tuesday 21st August 22:47

Mr M

1,272 posts

203 months

Tuesday 21st August 2007
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How fast are you guys going exactly ? .scratchchin Can't say I get any of this cabin pressure and window popping stuff in mine. Not that I'm disappointed

BCA

8,626 posts

258 months

Tuesday 21st August 2007
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Mr M said:
How fast are you guys going exactly ? .scratchchin Can't say I get any of this cabin pressure and window popping stuff in mine. Not that I'm disappointed
Convieniently the effects they are on about do occur at 70mph a little... wink

brummiewedge

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5,284 posts

222 months

Tuesday 21st August 2007
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There are 4 holes behind the rear wheels, from the boot compartment on mine, ( i have discovered.), But not much in the way of transfering the pressure from the cabin to the boot. A hole from the cabin to the boot could be the answer and a rubber cat flap type thing. Thats how normal cars work. The external holes on "normal" cars are often behind the rear bumper.

FUBAR

17,062 posts

239 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2007
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brummiewedge said:
a rubber cat flap type thing.
Would that make Cerbs pussy magnets? hehe

jonbarrett

800 posts

203 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2007
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Brummie

Could you post a pic of the holes in the boot? How come the wheel don't fill the boot with water in the wet? Would the way to get the air to the boot be to use a hole cutter just behind the helmet holder.

FUBAR

17,062 posts

239 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2007
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jonbarrett said:
Brummie

Could you post a pic of the holes in the boot? How come the wheel don't fill the boot with water in the wet? Would the way to get the air to the boot be to use a hole cutter just behind the helmet holder.
Isnt the petrol tank right behind the helmet hole?

jonbarrett

800 posts

203 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2007
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There is a ledge above the tank where some of my radio gear sits. I'm sure there is room behind that for a few holes. I'll take a look and report back. I wonder, I drill holes there, will the car snap in half smile

Ffirg 005

2,009 posts

252 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2007
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Just had a look at my stripped down shell. There are holes big enough to put your hand through at the base of each C pillar that run from the cabin to the boot - unless those are covered up by trim there should be plenty of airflow there...

BCA

8,626 posts

258 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2007
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Ffirg 005 said:
Just had a look at my stripped down shell. There are holes big enough to put your hand through at the base of each C pillar that run from the cabin to the boot - unless those are covered up by trim there should be plenty of airflow there...
Have you seen/ got any pictures of where the rear of the cage attatches to.. err nothing? We'll be wanting to change that when we do the body-off, but it'll be a while till we get to that stage. eek

jonbarrett

800 posts

203 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2007
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Ffirg 005 said:
Just had a look at my stripped down shell. There are holes big enough to put your hand through at the base of each C pillar that run from the cabin to the boot - unless those are covered up by trim there should be plenty of airflow there...
Could you tell me exactly where these holes are as my cab and boot are fitted with carpets throughout.

Some time ago I'm sure I heard about a modification involving vents in the sill. Would these holes also feed into the sill cavity? If so, I guess it would be possible to vent the sills under the car.

brummiewedge

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5,284 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2007
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The external holes are behind the rear wheel arch, imagine where mudflaps would fit, then further back than that, also in a bit further inboard than where the wheels might spray upwards. So behind the rear suspension, but the boot floor....ish smile

Ffirg 005

2,009 posts

252 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2007
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Will post some pics tonight (morning for you wink )

Erich Stahler

2,878 posts

271 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2007
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Mr M said:
How fast are you guys going exactly ? .scratchchin Can't say I get any of this cabin pressure and window popping stuff in mine. Not that I'm disappointed
Seems to start at about 80 mph +

Ffirg 005

2,009 posts

252 months

Thursday 23rd August 2007
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There are two sets of two pipes in the floor of the boot on the right and left:



and a large hole at the base of the C pillar on each side:



the hole is pretty big...


BCA said:
Have you seen/ got any pictures of where the rear of the cage attatches to.. err nothing? We'll be wanting to change that when we do the body-off, but it'll be a while till we get to that stage. eek
Here's a couple of the rear roll cage mounts. They bolt through to the outrigger.



jonbarrett said:
Some time ago I'm sure I heard about a modification involving vents in the sill. Would these holes also feed into the sill cavity? If so, I guess it would be possible to vent the sills under the car.
I really don't see why you'd want to vent through the sills to be honest...