Sports Exhaust, how legal are they ?
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2 sheds said:I thought there was a large percentage
Only illegal if you remove the cats
Tim
of Cerbera's with no cats and sports exhausts?
So where would that leave owners - with a caution, a fine, points?
Go create some weather...
Graham
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markys said:
Would just like to know how legal these are, just in case I get stopped !!!!
I wondered this also. Had the sports pipes done and picked it up today. UNBELIEVABLE!!! This is how the Cerbera should come out of the box, what a difference. Can't believe the pops and bangs you get, just like gunshots. Already had people ducking and jumping back with fright!!
This can't be alowed on the road, it's just so noisy and sounds even more
T.
I would imagine that sports pipes, de-catting, de-baffling etc actually take the sound over the max number of DB allowed for the road, so infact make the car illegal. The BiB expect TVRs to be loud so are not really looking to see whether they have sports cans or not.
As a biker too, it's all too common to be pulled for having a non-road legal can, but it's more obvious as most bikes are fairly quiet with the standard (over-engineered exhaust), so the difference between standard and illegal is HUGE.
As a biker too, it's all too common to be pulled for having a non-road legal can, but it's more obvious as most bikes are fairly quiet with the standard (over-engineered exhaust), so the difference between standard and illegal is HUGE.
gixxer1000 said:
The BiB expect TVRs to be loud so are not really looking to see whether they have sports cans or not.
True.
Trust me, they are not bothered in the slightest and wouldn't even know what to look for if they even felt like it.
Your biggest worry is a bitter neighbour who may call and complain about the noise - but then the call will not even get logged on the computer - it won't get mentioned to a radio operator - a policeman will not told be told of the call and if he did he would ignore it.
I have had a few chats about these issues with a couple of coppers and a couple of call handlers. The police do not have enough resources to follow this sort of nonsense up.
I think as long as you drive safely there is nothing at all to be concerned about.
The only issue is insurance.
Tony
Markys.......just go out and enjoy it.....
Take the car through a tunnel somewhere........that will make your day!!!!!!!....
The only problem you may encounter is on a track day.
The limit for a lot of cicuits is 98/99db.
This puts our car way over the top and Ray has to fit some ridiculous looking bit of kit on the pipes to make it 'legal'.
Other than that....it's great!!!........
...//P//
Take the car through a tunnel somewhere........that will make your day!!!!!!!....
The only problem you may encounter is on a track day.
The limit for a lot of cicuits is 98/99db.
This puts our car way over the top and Ray has to fit some ridiculous looking bit of kit on the pipes to make it 'legal'.
Other than that....it's great!!!........
...//P//alans said:
Big T
what sports exhaust did you get? I have a JP on order from Joolz so de-cat and sports exhaust soon.
alan
Alan, I got it from Castles and I think it's the JP one, that's what they told me when I ordered it. I'm suprised at how much a difference each type makes. I'm very pleased with my one.
The only problem I can see is if you get dragged to a test station to check you're exhaust emissions and you've decatted, only use the cats for MOT time. It is theoretically possible for you to be stopped at the side of the road for a spot check.
All motorbike exhausts which meet current noise legislation bare a kitemark, no sports exhausts do. As a result it is very easy for the BiB to ticket bikers for this change. I have heard some total horror stories of the BiB setting themselves up in a cosy lay by and pulling in all the bikers they see and ticketing everyone with a non standard exhaust. This is especially prevelant when everybody travels to the Isle of Man and over to Ireland. Fortunately this cannot be done with a Cerb exhaust.
All motorbike exhausts which meet current noise legislation bare a kitemark, no sports exhausts do. As a result it is very easy for the BiB to ticket bikers for this change. I have heard some total horror stories of the BiB setting themselves up in a cosy lay by and pulling in all the bikers they see and ticketing everyone with a non standard exhaust. This is especially prevelant when everybody travels to the Isle of Man and over to Ireland. Fortunately this cannot be done with a Cerb exhaust.
Unfortunately opposite for me. I live within a stones throw from brands hatch. Every single wednesday throughout the year the BIB turn up and stop ALL bikes in evening rush hour for 'Safety check' eg silencer noise and dark visors. Have been flagged down twice with the Cerb, just for being too noisy. I have effectively stopped using the bike/cerb/cobra on that evening every week and just use the beemer. And thats with a totally standard Cerb pipe.
OK, lets go into sad old technical g*t mode.
Based on this in theory any sports exhaust could be illegal as the comparison is with a standard car, however:
1) How will the BiB know what a standard car sounds like
as they all seem different to me
2) can they prove it (let's find another one to compare with shall we. Not exactly common)
I also agree with the previous comments that the BiB are more likely to have other more important things to do with their time.
Police Law site said:
Section: Reg54 Act: Road Vehicles (Construction And Use) Regulations 1986
Subject: "Silencers"
Every vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine shall be fitted with an exhaust system including a silencer suitable and sufficient for reducing as far as may be reasonable the noise caused by the escape of exhaust gases from the engine.
The silencer etc. shall at all times when the vehicle is used on a road be maintained in good and efficient working order and shall not have been altered in any way which makes the noise of escaping gases greater.
Based on this in theory any sports exhaust could be illegal as the comparison is with a standard car, however:
1) How will the BiB know what a standard car sounds like
as they all seem different to me 2) can they prove it (let's find another one to compare with shall we
. Not exactly common) I also agree with the previous comments that the BiB are more likely to have other more important things to do with their time.
We have a JP "quiet?" sports exhaust and it is the best mod we have done to the car EVER. Bought it from Joolz to replace the standard part simply because it had a lifetime guarantee. We should have bought it years ago, transforms the cars sound completely. At Harewood Hillclimb on sunday it was running at 105db* 
and sounded awesome up the hill.
For trackdays we have some ACT silencers, havent had to use them yet, but when we got the car checked on sunday we got it from 105db to 95/96db. Which should be enough for most trackdays.
*105db was probably because it was popping and banging like mad, the silencers really reduced the noise of the popping and banging, which might explain the HUGE silencing power.
and sounded awesome up the hill. For trackdays we have some ACT silencers, havent had to use them yet, but when we got the car checked on sunday we got it from 105db to 95/96db. Which should be enough for most trackdays.
*105db was probably because it was popping and banging like mad, the silencers really reduced the noise of the popping and banging, which might explain the HUGE silencing power.
suffolkfox said:
I also agree with the previous comments that the BiB are more likely to have other more important things to do with their time.
It is very easy for them to force you to take it to an MOT station to get the exhaust checked for leaks which if nothing else will take time.
D.
davidd said:
I also agree with the previous comments that the BiB are more likely to have other more important things to do with their time.
It is very easy for them to force you to take it to an MOT station to get the exhaust checked for leaks which if nothing else will take time.
Quick poll then... Other than me & Julian64, has anybody else been stopped by the BiB for the noise? And has anybody been made to take their car to a test station?
Not been stopped, but mine is loud, so maybe only a matter of time?
Go create some weather...
Graham
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Go create some weather...
Graham
TCR The Cerbera Register
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j_s_g said:
suffolkfox said:
I also agree with the previous comments that the BiB are more likely to have other more important things to do with their time.
It is very easy for them to force you to take it to an MOT station to get the exhaust checked for leaks which if nothing else will take time.
Quick poll then... Other than me & Julian64, has anybody else been stopped by the BiB for the noise? And has anybody been made to take their car to a test station?
Yes and yes, not in a TVR though. Old fiat with piper pipe on it.
Also remember there is noew legislation whereby if the BiB think your car is making a "nuisance" of it slef they can impound it. I think (hope) this is aimed at subbed up novas but I suspect it is only a matter of tie before they do someone for a noisy pipe.
I have a normal system with decat (or even without cats
) the great thing about it is that I can drive quietly through villages and when being stopped by the police (try slowing down in a hot cerb without making it look obvious you are driving quietly!). But when I open it up.........hmmmmmm D.
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