No Iam getting really really angry!!!
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Turkey WTF ?!?!?!???!?!?!??!??!?!?!?!?!??
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We didn't use to be crap at manufacturing between late 1780's and 1940'ish we were very strong then the post war government....er Labour wouldn't you know, decided to nationalise everything in industry that wasn't bolted down like steel and coal. This shot down our aircraft industry, punctured our car industry and sunk our ship buliding.
We still have talented engineers but they are found in underfunded wooden huts huddled around a paraffin heater at the back of an industrial estate desperately shot of cash to develop the next big thing.
We were great because of investment, the Victorians invested huge ammounts of cash. Brunel for instance burnt thousands and thousands but gave us long standing industrial constructions that we could never afford to build today - GWR, Forth Bridge etc... At least not on our own.
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Now where was I......oh yes......Turkey...WTF ????!!!!!!!???????!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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We didn't use to be crap at manufacturing between late 1780's and 1940'ish we were very strong then the post war government....er Labour wouldn't you know, decided to nationalise everything in industry that wasn't bolted down like steel and coal. This shot down our aircraft industry, punctured our car industry and sunk our ship buliding.
We still have talented engineers but they are found in underfunded wooden huts huddled around a paraffin heater at the back of an industrial estate desperately shot of cash to develop the next big thing.
We were great because of investment, the Victorians invested huge ammounts of cash. Brunel for instance burnt thousands and thousands but gave us long standing industrial constructions that we could never afford to build today - GWR, Forth Bridge etc... At least not on our own.
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Now where was I......oh yes......Turkey...WTF ????!!!!!!!???????!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
FourWheelDrift said:
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We still have talented engineers but they are found in underfunded wooden huts huddled around a paraffin heater at the back of an industrial estate desperately shot of cash to develop the next big thing.
Was wondering what that smell of paraffin at Joolz's was from...
Charlieboy.
Obviously you want to do things the right way, but there is the right way (which takes an absolute age!!) and the quick way.
How about contacting a breakers to see if any body as an engine with some cams in you can have? Maybe not the best option but it will get you on the road a lot quicker and allow you to get the car running whilst the new cams are sorted. You could then sell the old cams on when the new ones are fitted. Just a thought.
There was some talk sometime ago about getting kent or Newman cams to have a look at producing a batch. Anyone any ideas?
Obviously you want to do things the right way, but there is the right way (which takes an absolute age!!) and the quick way.
How about contacting a breakers to see if any body as an engine with some cams in you can have? Maybe not the best option but it will get you on the road a lot quicker and allow you to get the car running whilst the new cams are sorted. You could then sell the old cams on when the new ones are fitted. Just a thought.
There was some talk sometime ago about getting kent or Newman cams to have a look at producing a batch. Anyone any ideas?
Dude, you can get the originals reground i believe, speak to jools.
the "turkey" story sounds just that. If true, & they are only at the test fitting /development stage, i can't see you getting a set in two weeks.
as for comeback on TVR, bear in mind they will only warranty their own factory rebuilds for 6 months, so any work done by an indie may create hassle in the event of a warranty claim. (though i think Shane did work for them?).
When i asked about getting an indie to do some engine work (pre rebuild) i was told that the parts would not be supplied to anyone outside the dealer network (& even then they are not happy about supplying TVR dealers with engine components)
Darren
the "turkey" story sounds just that. If true, & they are only at the test fitting /development stage, i can't see you getting a set in two weeks.
as for comeback on TVR, bear in mind they will only warranty their own factory rebuilds for 6 months, so any work done by an indie may create hassle in the event of a warranty claim. (though i think Shane did work for them?).
When i asked about getting an indie to do some engine work (pre rebuild) i was told that the parts would not be supplied to anyone outside the dealer network (& even then they are not happy about supplying TVR dealers with engine components)
Darren
Billy_rfc said:The cams are worn unevenly they are the original cams on a 96 N and I've been told they can't be re-ground due to the extent of the wear. On another note i have tried the breakers option but no luck, as the only ones available are in an engine which the breaker wont break down!!! so wanted £4K for the engine - and who knows what state they are in.
Charlieboy what is it thats wrong with the cams? Are they beyond repair?
Carrying on from what Ted just said, Kent or piper cams (cant remember which) were going to regrind a set for me to any spec I wanted.
Billy.
Re-having some made just not economical compared to the cost of replacement ones. I have to also ask the question re parts on the AJP how long are they going to keep producing this engine for and what is the state of play going to be on replacement parts after. Are there any engines TVR have discontinued but parts are available still - I used to own a 1974 MGB roadster about 3 years ago and the parts on a car they discontinued back in the early eighties are still available as remakes - Will this end up happening to the Cerb - Will TVR sell off the rights eventually how does this work ?
Just found the email. It was Piper who were going to reprofile my cams. www.pipercams.co.uk must be worth a try and wouldn't hurt to give them a call!
Billy.
Billy.
charlieboy said:
I have to also ask the question re parts on the AJP how long are they going to keep producing this engine for and what is the state of play going to be on replacement parts after. Are there any engines TVR have discontinued but parts are available still - I used to own a 1974 MGB roadster about 3 years ago and the parts on a car they discontinued back in the early eighties are still available as remakes - Will this end up happening to the Cerb - Will TVR sell off the rights eventually how does this work ?
The AJP's their first engine, so how they deal with killing that off will no doubt be a learning exercise for them. The earlier Rover engined cars (and the even earlier Ford/whatever ones) will no doubt have parts around for ages due to the number out there, etc. Didn't TVR sell off the blueprints to another company for some piece of mechanics in the past when they abandoned getting it made themselves? (Hazy recollection)
I've never understood this about TVR. I'm sure its totally illegal for TVR to refuse to sell engine parts to customers. By doing so they are effectively removing choice of servicing and repair. I would seriously consider junking a wrecked TVR engine and opting for a good old ford or chevy high performace replacement.
I believe this is something BMW tried in the eighties but rapidly backed down when the likelyhood of american court cases went against them. They still sell replacemnt parts in blocks but at least they'll sell you something.
Even now BMW sell a different car in the US which has some self diagnostic ability which is disabled on the euro version.
I really think TVR need an attitude adjustment here.
I believe this is something BMW tried in the eighties but rapidly backed down when the likelyhood of american court cases went against them. They still sell replacemnt parts in blocks but at least they'll sell you something.
Even now BMW sell a different car in the US which has some self diagnostic ability which is disabled on the euro version.
I really think TVR need an attitude adjustment here.
darreni said:
When i asked about getting an indie to do some engine work (pre rebuild) i was told that the parts would not be supplied to anyone outside the dealer network (& even then they are not happy about supplying TVR dealers with engine components)
Quite funny when you find out that the factory apparently asked Shane to sell them back some cams that he had bought in for stock as they didn't have any left!
Julian64 said:
I've never understood this about TVR. I'm sure its totally illegal for TVR to refuse to sell engine parts to customers. By doing so they are effectively removing choice of servicing and repair.
100% agree, i was so pissed off at the attitude that i spoke to Ben samuelson about it - illegal, rant, rave etc. He said that if i insisted they supply an idie with the parts, they would agree, but added that i may find the required parts to be out of stock for a very long time .............
I can understand the point about it being expensive to have the cams reground, but if it's that or f**k all, what do you do?
I was told that it is at least partly due to driving the car hard when it is not warmed up properly.
One of my lobes is wearing but when it was inspected at the last big service Joolz said that if I let it warm properly then it should last fine and once the engine is warmed up I can thrash it as much as I want.
Thats part of the reason I fitted the oil temp gauge. The water is up to temp after a couple of miles but the oil isn't till about 10-12 miles. I try not to go above 3k rpm till the oil is warm.
Andy
One of my lobes is wearing but when it was inspected at the last big service Joolz said that if I let it warm properly then it should last fine and once the engine is warmed up I can thrash it as much as I want.
Thats part of the reason I fitted the oil temp gauge. The water is up to temp after a couple of miles but the oil isn't till about 10-12 miles. I try not to go above 3k rpm till the oil is warm.
Andy
Charlieboy.
The second hand engine route is not that bad a route.
Whilst OK having to pay out £4000 for an engine you nothing about is a bit steep, if you get a decent indie to come along and have a look with you, whilst you keep the cams for yourself you could make almost £4k selling of the bits of the engine you don't want to other unfortunate AJPv8 owners.
Your only other option is to stump out the cash to have a matched set made by Newman or piper. If you're feeling flush a run of one hundred would see you corner the market and become the choice cam supplier for the aftermarket!!
The second hand engine route is not that bad a route.
Whilst OK having to pay out £4000 for an engine you nothing about is a bit steep, if you get a decent indie to come along and have a look with you, whilst you keep the cams for yourself you could make almost £4k selling of the bits of the engine you don't want to other unfortunate AJPv8 owners.
Your only other option is to stump out the cash to have a matched set made by Newman or piper. If you're feeling flush a run of one hundred would see you corner the market and become the choice cam supplier for the aftermarket!!
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