ferrari vs tvr
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yes dude good joke i think you dont know where you talking about! look at TVR Tuscan Performance 0-60 mph in 3.9/Ferrar 348 0-60 mph in 6.0 or 5.6!!! 0-160 mph Tuscan in 8.9 or 8.3 (Tuscan speed six or Tuscan S) 0-160 mph ferrari in 15.0 or something. and beat a chimeara forgot it too.
i knew they were fast, but not that fast. Surely you mean 0-100mph?Best move I ever made...
I used to have a 99 4.5 Cerbera. Was great fun to drive... when it worked ! Got sick of being left stranded at side of the road - and being without a car while it was fixed.
Got myself a 94 Ferrari 456GT. It's such a better car. The 0-60 is about 0.5 secs slower - but apart from that it is sooo much better in every way. The handling, cornering, performance at high spped, reliability, even the wow factor beats the TVR hands down. It feels like it's been properly bolted togther (unlike the TVR).
I'm a convert.
I used to have a 99 4.5 Cerbera. Was great fun to drive... when it worked ! Got sick of being left stranded at side of the road - and being without a car while it was fixed.
Got myself a 94 Ferrari 456GT. It's such a better car. The 0-60 is about 0.5 secs slower - but apart from that it is sooo much better in every way. The handling, cornering, performance at high spped, reliability, even the wow factor beats the TVR hands down. It feels like it's been properly bolted togther (unlike the TVR).
I'm a convert.
I went from a Tuscan to a 550M. Ferrari wins hands down. They are both really exciting but the big difference is in the chassis, handling, finish and build-quality.
I'm sure the Tuscan was faster in a straight line, but the handling, reliability and brake-judder were pretty aweful. Furthermore, interior bits kept falling off every week .... and the Tuscan was a new car !!!
Take the TVR over a ton and it starts to get ragged and very, very hairy. On a number of occassions, I could feel the front end of the car lifting. At times the Tuscan just felt uncontrolleable. In my 550, the story is very different: It is much more planted at high speed and the dynamics into/out of corners is vastly superior.
What really convinced my to sell my new Tuscan was the continual reliability problems after < 1 year's ownership:-
1. reverse lights coming on at 80 mph
2. snapped throttle cable
3. brake lights 'sticking' permanently on
4. EFI fuel pump warning (injectors not working)
5. continual loss of tyre pressure
6. cracked 18' wheels and collapsed rear axel
7. air conditioning unit falling out on wires
8. speedo never working
9. Too scared to drive it because you don't know what's going to go wrong next
........I could go on. My advise is that if you are going to spend good money on a sports car, do not base your decision solely on 'performance'. There's not much point having a fast car if you can never get the power down, or it is constantly in the garage or on the back of an GreenFlag recovery vehicle.
>> Edited by Ramasys on Monday 14th June 14:00
I'm sure the Tuscan was faster in a straight line, but the handling, reliability and brake-judder were pretty aweful. Furthermore, interior bits kept falling off every week .... and the Tuscan was a new car !!!
Take the TVR over a ton and it starts to get ragged and very, very hairy. On a number of occassions, I could feel the front end of the car lifting. At times the Tuscan just felt uncontrolleable. In my 550, the story is very different: It is much more planted at high speed and the dynamics into/out of corners is vastly superior.
What really convinced my to sell my new Tuscan was the continual reliability problems after < 1 year's ownership:-
1. reverse lights coming on at 80 mph
2. snapped throttle cable
3. brake lights 'sticking' permanently on
4. EFI fuel pump warning (injectors not working)
5. continual loss of tyre pressure
6. cracked 18' wheels and collapsed rear axel
7. air conditioning unit falling out on wires
8. speedo never working
9. Too scared to drive it because you don't know what's going to go wrong next
........I could go on. My advise is that if you are going to spend good money on a sports car, do not base your decision solely on 'performance'. There's not much point having a fast car if you can never get the power down, or it is constantly in the garage or on the back of an GreenFlag recovery vehicle.
>> Edited by Ramasys on Monday 14th June 14:00
My 348 spider has the following..
F348 Performance Data
0-100 km/h - 4.7 sec / 0-60 mph - 4.6 sec
Top speed is 295 Km/h / 183 mph
Max Rpm Limit - 8200 rpm
Max Power Output – 269 Kw / 365 bhp (PS) at 7,800 rpm
Max Torque – 375Nm / 278 lbs/ft at 5,200 rpm
I am looking to sell it for a 456GT. I am a DAD now...
I have a TVR's and not impressed with the build quality, but they are very fast....
F348 Performance Data
0-100 km/h - 4.7 sec / 0-60 mph - 4.6 sec
Top speed is 295 Km/h / 183 mph
Max Rpm Limit - 8200 rpm
Max Power Output – 269 Kw / 365 bhp (PS) at 7,800 rpm
Max Torque – 375Nm / 278 lbs/ft at 5,200 rpm
I am looking to sell it for a 456GT. I am a DAD now...
I have a TVR's and not impressed with the build quality, but they are very fast....
Ramasys said:
My advise is that if you are going to spend good money on a sports car, do not base your decision solely on 'performance'. There's not much point having a fast car if you can never get the power down, or it is constantly in the garage or on the back of an GreenFlag recovery vehicle.
Couldn't agree more with this statement.
I have owned both marque's concurrently and TVR's aren't even in the same league when it comes to engineering, build quality and high speed stability.
Frostie
joelk said:
I'm a convert.
Me also to a degree, although we currently run both marques and have a TVR Sagaris on order.
Two very different cars highlighted by a 2 hour drive over the weekend having collected the F355 from a customer. I was in the Tuscan, my brother in law was in the Fezza.
Although the Tuscan was faster on the straights, through the corners it wasn't at all confidence inspiring. The only reason I pushed so hard in it was because I knew where the limits where and not that the car was telling me.
The F car however, was planted, 100%. Sure, he had to drop it a gear to overtake, but through the twisties, it was pulling a clear margin.
Both awesome cars, but you're forever trying to fight the Tuscan whereas the F355 (and I'm assuming this would be the same for a 348) really is a pleasure to drive.
MHO of course.
Tuan
frostie said:
My advise is that if you are going to spend good money on a sports car, do not base your decision solely on 'performance'. There's not much point having a fast car if you can never get the power down, or it is constantly in the garage or on the back of an GreenFlag recovery vehicle.
Couldn't agree more with this statement.
I have owned both marque's concurrently and TVR's aren't even in the same league when it comes to engineering, build quality and high speed stability.
Frostie
Which is possibly part of the reason why Ferraris are at least twice the price new.
Basil Brush
Agreed - Raris are bloody expensive - no doubt about that - but you get what you pay for matey.
Oh BTW, the cummulative cost of running/repairing my Tuscan wasn't exactly cheap either. After 1.5 years of ownership it depreciated from 45K to a horrendous 29K on trade in. Not a single TVR dealership seemed particularly interested in taking it off my hands either.
I'm trying my best not to knock TVR's too much (they go like hell, they are British and sound great) but one really does have to understand and accept what they are getting themselves into when they buy one. If you are prepared to accept the shortcomings at that price, fine. I just underestimated the reality of owning one and ended up getting burnt.
>> Edited by Ramasys on Tuesday 15th June 09:47
Agreed - Raris are bloody expensive - no doubt about that - but you get what you pay for matey.
Oh BTW, the cummulative cost of running/repairing my Tuscan wasn't exactly cheap either. After 1.5 years of ownership it depreciated from 45K to a horrendous 29K on trade in. Not a single TVR dealership seemed particularly interested in taking it off my hands either.
I'm trying my best not to knock TVR's too much (they go like hell, they are British and sound great) but one really does have to understand and accept what they are getting themselves into when they buy one. If you are prepared to accept the shortcomings at that price, fine. I just underestimated the reality of owning one and ended up getting burnt.
>> Edited by Ramasys on Tuesday 15th June 09:47
Depends if you go INdependant or dealer
Dealer service is about 800 for an annual service ....independant about 550
every three years is cambelt service which is about 1000 - 1400 at a dealer or 800 at an independant.
Your choice but probably best servicing at an independant as it will save you a lot of money adn you can still get good warranties from independants too
Dealer service is about 800 for an annual service ....independant about 550
every three years is cambelt service which is about 1000 - 1400 at a dealer or 800 at an independant.
Your choice but probably best servicing at an independant as it will save you a lot of money adn you can still get good warranties from independants too
kevinday said:
How much does servicing cost for a Ferrari, let's say for 12,000 miles? I am genuinely interested because I am currently looking at the possibility of a 550 for a while, following downsizing of my 'spare' house.
If you look on Verdi's site www.verdiferrari.biz you can see their servcing costs. I would always allow for an additonal 10 - 25% as there will always be something that needs replacing which is not part of the fixed price menu.
Frostie
>> Edited by frostie on Tuesday 15th June 12:51
All the relaibility issues on the 348 were solved on the 1993 to 1995 GTB, GTS & Spiders. The Early 355's had problems like manifold splitting, valves guides breaking etc. The later ferrari model you buy the better it will be.
The F348 Ferrari Spyder was launched in 1993, running alongside the evolutionised F348 GTB/GTS. It was the first two-seater spyder sportscar made by Ferrari since the 365 GTB/4 (Daytona) Spyder last sold in 1974. It was the first mid-engine two seater Spyder produced by Ferrari.
There have been many engineering developments and design refinements to F348 series that have improved its Performance, Handling and Comfort.
In addition to the modifications to the body configuration of the F348 Spyder, there had been significant technical changes that enhanced the performance and road stability.
Engineering developments included a transverse gearbox with revised ratios for quicker acceleration and a free flowing exhaust system for higher power output. The wider rear track with an improved suspension system and geometry assured better handling and manoeuvrability.
In 1994, the evolutionised F348 GTB/GTS cease production with the all new F355 GTB/GTS. The F348 Ferrari Spyder’s were still produced alongside the F355 series late 1994/95.
The late F348 Ferrari Spyder’s were further evolutionised by introducing the F355 characteristics onto the F348 Spyder’s as a development platform for the all new F355 Spyder that was to be released in 1995, when the F348 Spyder cease production.
Total factory production of 109 F348 Spyders from 1993 to 1994/95 and 68 being RHD.
The F348 Ferrari Spyder was launched in 1993, running alongside the evolutionised F348 GTB/GTS. It was the first two-seater spyder sportscar made by Ferrari since the 365 GTB/4 (Daytona) Spyder last sold in 1974. It was the first mid-engine two seater Spyder produced by Ferrari.
There have been many engineering developments and design refinements to F348 series that have improved its Performance, Handling and Comfort.
In addition to the modifications to the body configuration of the F348 Spyder, there had been significant technical changes that enhanced the performance and road stability.
Engineering developments included a transverse gearbox with revised ratios for quicker acceleration and a free flowing exhaust system for higher power output. The wider rear track with an improved suspension system and geometry assured better handling and manoeuvrability.
In 1994, the evolutionised F348 GTB/GTS cease production with the all new F355 GTB/GTS. The F348 Ferrari Spyder’s were still produced alongside the F355 series late 1994/95.
The late F348 Ferrari Spyder’s were further evolutionised by introducing the F355 characteristics onto the F348 Spyder’s as a development platform for the all new F355 Spyder that was to be released in 1995, when the F348 Spyder cease production.
Total factory production of 109 F348 Spyders from 1993 to 1994/95 and 68 being RHD.
The Ferrari will start every morning (if u get a good one), go reasonably fast and handle well. The TVR will Sound/Look/Go incredibable and people wont gob on your car when your parked. TVRs are for car enthousiasts who have general car maintenance knowledge, the people who are dense take them back to the dealer and complain about every little detail...
Mike
Mike
Ramasys said:
Basil Brush
Agreed - Raris are bloody expensive - no doubt about that - but you get what you pay for matey.
Don´t get me wrong I´m not a totally blinkered, TVR can do no wrong owner. I was only pointing out that I would hope a Cerbera would be very inferior to a 456, originally costing about 3 times as much, otherwise something is seriously wrong. The cars are in totally different market slots, hence people are paying the same for 8 year old F cars as new TVRs.
I don´t suppose the depreciation was too good in the first couple of years on a 456 or 550 either.
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